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Author Topic: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"  (Read 27508 times)

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Offline Meg

Catholic instinct would be that a small dose of poison is as bad as the whole.  The new religion is a religion of universal compromise not universal truth. 
An anomaly isn't the rule.  The novus ordo is a schismatic rite which destroys Catholic belief in many doctrines.  Just have nothing to do with it besides rescuing souls from it.  Pray for each other that we keep the Faith.

I agree that an anomaly isn't the rule. I would hope that +W would agree with that too. But where does one draw the line? There's no hard and fast rule, since there's a terrible Crisis in the Church.

Those of us who believe that the visible Church is occupied, rather than completely non-existent (except in some trad chapels), take a different view of the situation. Will we be allowed a differing view from that of the hardliners? I think not.

I have a feeling that the same people who attack "dogmatic sedevacantists" will defend Bp. Williamson's new dogma and his anathema of all sedevacantists and others who believe God wouldn't approve the Bogus Ordo by miracles.

I wonder if belief in Garabandal and whatever the other false apparitions Williamson promotes are also required for salvation.

I will gladly attack any eccentrics who believe in any dogmas proclaimed after 1950.

Judging from Bp. Williamson's response posted by Sean Johnson, the good bishop has apparently become much more eccentric than usual lately.

I have a huge respect for him, but somethings simply cannot be accepted.

Bogus Marian apparitions, Valtorta, attendance at the Novus Ordo Mass, and now, the "reality" of a "miracle".:facepalm:


Offline Ladislaus

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Until now, I've not seem that +W ever required anyone to fall in line with any of his views or opinions regarding the New Mass, or New Mass miracles. It's perplexing, but I don't automatically have ill-will against him for this, as some here do.

Maybe it has to do with the lack of charity of certain traditionalists, in that they believe that the New Mass is completely evil, as is the conciliar church, and that both are completely devoid of anything Catholic.

I don't think anyone really has bad will against Bishop Williamson (except for SSPX, perhaps, and Bishop? Pfeiffer, and to a lesser extent Father Hewko).

I like Bishop Williamson very much.

But I think he's going off the rails here, as others have said; he's even doubling down by holding the rejection of NO "Eucharistic miracles" to be tantamount (loosely speaking I hope) to a sin against the Holy Ghost.  Never has the Catholic Church required belief in private miracles and private revelations.  I could see some other reasons for Bishop Williamson not wanting to cooperate with Father Hewko, but this?

+Williamson's statement was actually even a bit more broad, stating that the rejection of scientific evidence might constitute such a sin against the Holy Spirit, so it could just be a matter of time before he says that rejecting the "scientific evidence" for a Globe Earth would be a sin also.

And that speaks to "scientific evidence", much of which is very subject to interpretation and often falsification.  Bishop Williamson's only window into the scientific evidence is from links on the internet (which we all know are all true).  Also, there's the very simple problem that the devil can easily simulate such "miracles".

I don't think anyone really has bad will against Bishop Williamson (except for SSPX, perhaps, and Bishop? Pfeiffer, and to a lesser extent Father Hewko).

I like Bishop Williamson very much.

But I think he's going off the rails here, as others have said; he's even doubling down by holding the rejection of NO "Eucharistic miracles" to be tantamount (loosely speaking I hope) to a sin against the Holy Ghost.  Never has the Catholic Church required belief in private miracles and private revelations.  I could see some other reasons for Bishop Williamson not wanting to cooperate with Father Hewko, but this?

My guess is that he made a lame excuse to deny the oils, and now he doesn't want to take it back.

Offline Meg

I don't think anyone really has bad will against Bishop Williamson (except for SSPX, perhaps, and Bishop? Pfeiffer, and to a lesser extent Father Hewko).

I like Bishop Williamson very much.

But I think he's going off the rails here, as others have said; he's even doubling down by holding the rejection of NO "Eucharistic miracles" to be tantamount (loosely speaking I hope) to a sin against the Holy Ghost.  Never has the Catholic Church required belief in private miracles and private revelations.  I could see some other reasons for Bishop Williamson not wanting to cooperate with Father Hewko, but this?

I think that there are few here who have bad-will, but I'll try to not judge them so much from now on. 

You may be correct, in that he's going off the rails, but I think there's more at play here. Given his reason for being fine with the woman at the conference going to a New Mass (which he later took back), he said his reason for this was stance charity. He's said that about other situations too. That may be what's behind all of this, but maybe not.

Given my respect for +W, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially since this particular issue centers around the extremely uncharitable Fr. Hewko.