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Author Topic: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"  (Read 28082 times)

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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2023, 10:30:47 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 08, 2023, 09:54:00 AM
OK, but that seems like he's playing proverbial "mind games" there and he should just be more transparent.  "I'm not inclined to give you the Holy Oils for reasons A, B, C".  When this letter gets out, it does make it sound like he's turning belief in the NO Eucharistic miracles into a dogmatic necessity that disqualifies someone from being in the same Church he's in.  He didn't really articulate this well.

That the same Fr. Hewko, who tells the world to have nothing to do with Williamson, would have the effrontery to request oils from him, pretty much guaranteed a response like he received.

In fact, it was so predictable, I might wonder if receiving such a response was premeditated.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2023, 10:32:48 AM »
Quote from: Catholicman on August 08, 2023, 10:23:09 AM
Bishop Williamson is simply asking F. Hewko to accept physical realities and the impossibility of certain things.

Fr. Hewko can easily draft a statement saying that he accepts these realities while saying it is a mystery to him as to why God would do it.
Why should he have to do even that if he doesn't believe they are true miracles?  You're asking him to agree to something he doesn't believe just so he can obtain the Holy Oils.  Despite his hypocrisy I noted in the previous page, I happen to agree with him here.
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Offline ultrarigorist

Re: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"
« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2023, 11:09:29 AM »
Petty on the Bishop's part, perhaps.
Keep in mind though, his formative years were in a culture where personal loyalty and patronage factor prominently in the dominant 'religious' sphere. So maybe it's not so much what Fr Hewko believes, but that he challenged what his "dotted-line" superior believes.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2023, 11:37:49 AM »
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Williamson is merely telling Hewko to buzz off, by stipulating a condition he knows Hewko will not accept
If so, then this is a horrible lack of leadership skills and an immature way of resolving conflict.  He should have kept the debate focused on matters of principle; instead he allowed it to veer off course, into matters of opinion and speculation.  No one can win such a debate.  

Fr Pfeiffer is 100% insane, while I think Fr Hewko is sincere but too extreme in some areas (which is rather common in Trad circles).  But +W's response to this situation has hurt his integrity by not addressing the key areas of dispute.  Had +W known such letters would be made public, he may have responded more politically, but in this day and age, how do you NOT expect such to be made public, especially when Fr Hewko often publicizes many things?  +W needs a PR manager, because this is just messy.
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Offline Meg

Re: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"
« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2023, 11:52:46 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 08, 2023, 11:37:49 AM
If so, then this is a horrible lack of leadership skills and an immature way of resolving conflict.  He should have kept the debate focused on matters of principle; instead he allowed it to veer off course, into matters of opinion and speculation.  No one can win such a debate. 

I see what you mean, but this is hardly the first time that +W has been accused of lack of leadership skills. Recall his stance of Eucharistic miracles, being fine with Novus Ordo folks attending Novus Ordo masses, Garabandal, Valtora, and more. It's nothing new. He doesn't try to please everyone. It's not surprising. 
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