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Author Topic: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"  (Read 28193 times)

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Re: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2023, 11:52:43 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on August 07, 2023, 10:29:49 PM
No, you do not.

Let's not muddy the waters. +W doesn't require any of his priests or faithful to believe in any private revelations, nor to have a positive opinion of any particular works of literature (Valtorta for example).

I agree with the other poster who said Fr. Hewko is not sincere. How do you deal with such a situation?

Next point -- you don't know how things worked before Vatican II. Priests didn't just get holy oils from "the nearest bishop". There was structure, hierarchy, and certainly obedience going from the priests towards their bishop. There was jurisdiction and a flow of authority from the top down. Bishops had specific territories. Priests had assignments where they were placed by their bishop.

Many independent priests in Tradition today (of whom Fr. Hewko is a *classic* example) want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to owe obedience to no bishop, but they want those bishops to give them holy oils and Confirmations. Demand them, even. How is that proper?

Wasn't it Bishop Williamson who said that the time for structures is over? I see that's the biggest problem with what is called the Resistance. Add that with the secretive episcopal consecrations, outrageous statements about attendance at the New Mass, and now demanding adherence to Novus Ordo "miracles" that aren't even validated as such yet by those in authority? This is sad for someone that I respect a lot.

I don't see Fr. Hewko as "demanding" for the holy oils, but rather begging for it.
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Re: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2023, 12:42:39 AM »
Quote from: Meg on August 07, 2023, 09:10:42 PM
Our Life as Catholics might be much better without them maybe?  Since we laity are just so much better than the trad clergy. So much smarter, and more knowledgeable about just about....everything, huh?  ::)
I would expect the clergy to be held to a higher standard than the laypeople. Yet some of them think it's ok to refuse communion to those not professig certain beliefs (bod/bob have never been specifically defined), others are allowed to publish all kinds of heresies in books and are promoted, others also, are too quick to believe in 'miracles' because of 'science'(tm) instead of following sound doctrine to make their decisions based on Catholic dogma. Or not doing their due diligence when accepting and promoting private revelation.
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Re: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2023, 03:57:07 AM »
Quote from: trento on August 07, 2023, 11:52:43 PM
Wasn't it Bishop Williamson who said that the time for structures is over? I see that's the biggest problem with what is called the Resistance. Add that with the secretive episcopal consecrations, outrageous statements about attendance at the New Mass, and now demanding adherence to Novus Ordo "miracles" that aren't even validated as such yet by those in authority? This is sad for someone that I respect a lot.

I don't see Fr. Hewko as "demanding" for the holy oils, but rather begging for it.
Agree on every point, not the least of which, Fr Hewko's comments were very deferential and respectful to +Williamson, while the bishop wrote with derision. Rather telling. 

If +Williamson is supposed to be the "true successor of Archbishop Lefebvre" it doesn't appear he is following in his footsteps with his comments on the Novus Ordo Missae and  making plainly doubtful miracles a pivot point for acceptance.

I stand to be corrected but the miracle +Williamson insists on hasn't even been approved by the local bishop after it was investigated? 
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Re: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2023, 05:45:50 AM »
Quote from: bvmariae on August 07, 2023, 05:00:02 PM
My point is why should priests holding differing opinions be punished since they are not dogmas but opinions? Why should we be refused Holy Oils? Who else can we turn to? Thuc line? No. Sedevacantists? No. 
Yeah.  But it's okay to say you would not turn to a sede bishop for Holy Oils over a difference of opinion.    
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Re: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2023, 06:35:07 AM »
While I generally respect Bishop Williamson, this is AWFUL in every sense.  He makes a statement that someone who doesn't believe in NO miracles is not "in the same Church" as he is.  Is he kidding?  Surely he must not that it is not required for a Catholic to believe in ANY private revelation or miracle to remain Catholic.

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