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Offline Marion

Re: Brutal SSPX Condemnation of Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2021, 03:36:54 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 19, 2021, 01:35:36 PM
No more tantrums, please.

You just had it explained to you.

If you don't like it, you don't like it, but that doesn't change the reality that exists outside your mind.

Tantrums? What are you talking about? About 101 tantrums against the compromised neo-SSPX?
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Offline Prayerful

Re: Brutal SSPX Condemnation of Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2021, 03:49:39 PM »
Some phrases like the 'precariousness of the Magisterium' relate in part to how this is translated, but also it can be understood that the Conciliar Magisterium is teetering. It shows extraordinary insecurity. TLM is c. 0.1 or so of Catholics. Traditional minded Catholics live in Francis' head rent free. It suggests either he or some around him are very touchy about how the Paul VI liturgy is dying in the West.
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Offline Comrade

Re: Brutal SSPX Condemnation of Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2021, 06:39:17 PM »
I thought magesterium was defined as the teaching authority of the Catholic Church. So, wouldn't it be wrong to refer the teaching authority of the Catholic Church as precarious?

Not pissing, just clarifying
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Brutal SSPX Condemnation of Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2021, 06:45:43 PM »
Good point, Comrade.  The word “magisterium” is defined different ways, this leading to endless squabbles. 
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Offline Marion

Re: Brutal SSPX Condemnation of Traditionis Custodes
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2021, 12:18:30 AM »
Quote from: Comrade on July 19, 2021, 06:39:17 PM
I thought magesterium was defined as the teaching authority of the Catholic Church. So, wouldn't it be wrong to refer the teaching authority of the Catholic Church as precarious?

Not pissing, just clarifying

Yes, the Latin term magisterium denotes the divine teaching authority of the one true Church. See e.g. Mortalium animos, Encyclical of Pope Pius XI, 1928. The English translation says "teaching authority" where the Latin original has "magisterium" (or "magisterio")

https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_19280106_mortalium-animos.html (en)
https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/la/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_19280106_mortalium-animos.html (la)


Pope Leo XIII says in Satis Cognitum, 1896:

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Wherefore, as appears from what has been said, Christ instituted in the Church a living, authoritative and permanent Magisterium, which by His own power He strengthened, by the Spirit of truth He taught, and by miracles confirmed. He willed and ordered, under the gravest penalties, that its teachings should be received as if they were His own.


So, I agree, it would be wrong to call the teaching authority of the Catholic Church as precarious.
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