Author Topic: Breaking news: 3 French Priests caught by Mgr. Fellays KGB, to be deported (Read 17158 times)

suger · « **Reply #30 on:** March 08, 2013, 08:32:36 AM »

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Mgr. Fellay, is a traitor, either a sellout or a mole right from the begin.

If Fellay is really a traitor, I hope his treachery is recent and not from the beginning.

Such charity towards a Roman Catholic bishop!

Pius IX ,
- there are many letters by the Society's priests proving that this bishop is a blatant liar
- he betrayed you by secretly plotting the sellout of the Society for decades (check out the G.R.E.C. plot)
- he betrayed you by negociating for a pratical agreement although he had pledged that he would not do so unless there would be a doctrinal agreement first
- etc.

This is indeed very unpleasant, but this is the truth.
(and if you only care about charity let me ask you: what are you doing here? why not just joining any of those protestant evangelical churches full of lovely people...?)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #31 on:** March 08, 2013, 08:39:49 AM »

Bishop Fellay acts like a freemason, purging opposition to his liberalism remorselessly.

It's this way of behaving that shows us the true colors of these people.

It is harder for some people to understand, just going by his words, which are very tricky. (despite some big blunders on occasion)

However, his associations, and his intolerance for the position of the Archbishop shows his true loyalties, and his inveterate hostility to those who stand with the mission of the Archbishop.

suger · « **Reply #32 on:** March 08, 2013, 08:40:03 AM »

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But concerning "canonical sanctions" against these priests, does a "Pious Union" have much/any of these at it's disposal?

Given that the SSPX is a 'pious union' what "canonical sanctions" are being cited?

the word "canonical" is indeed shameful, it is a sham as there are no possibilities of appeal!!!! (they will very probably not even given the chance of a fair hearing and defense...!!! as it happened in previous cases)

sanctions =

- either transfer to worst place if they promise to shut up their mouth, never point out any lie or something detrimental to the glory and pride of +Fellay, and to blindly obey anything how wrong it may be, "don't think, just obey like a dumb donkey"

- or expulsion if they don't

suger · « **Reply #33 on:** March 08, 2013, 08:54:34 AM »

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He had no intention to nominate a further bishop but it is said that he had to change his mind after a major financial swiss backer insisted that a swiss bishop be also nominated and pushed for Mgr Fellay.

From (SSPX) priestly sources who knew and know the family Lovey, we have the information that your mentioned backer who urged Archbishop Lefebvre to consecrate a Swiss-French bishop (number 4), was the Swiss-French lawyer Mr. Lovey.
I was told Mr. Lovey meant well. Still today we got the mess.

If I remember correctly Mr. Lovey handled financial affairs in or around Ecône, and was the head of a group of benefactors financially supporting Archbishop Lefebvre.

Mr. Lovey's son Philippe Lovey was ordained a priest in the SSPX and later was the Swiss district superior. If I remember correctly, today Fr. Philippe Lovey is supporting Bp Fellay's sellout to Newrome, as do nearly all Swiss SSPX priests unfortunately.

Thank you so much for this key-piece of information, Ethelred!!!!
I was unable to retrieve the name of the financial backer responsible for this. I do believe too he was a nice person, but was naively manipulated by evil-intended money-lenders. Our Lord was right to chase the banksters out of the temple.
Re. ABL, he was in dire need of financial support and had no choice. This is how the banksters got a pull on the Society, as they have pulls on anything they find important in the West.
And this is why +Fellay had to insert Krah into such a position of financial control over the Society, why he always listens to Krah and always protects him.

Besides praying, it is difficult to see what to do to save the Society from the grip of the banksters.

JMacQ · « **Reply #34 on:** March 08, 2013, 09:04:08 AM »

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Re. ABL, he was in dire need of financial support and had no choice.

Unbelievable assumption. Surely you don't mean that.

Instead of inferring that His Grace committed simony (money in exchange for a sacrament or an office in the Church) I think that the simple and real explanation is that he could have never imagined that Bishop Fellay would become the destroyer of the SSPX. Who could have imagined that back then, 25 years ago?

Francisco · « **Reply #35 on:** March 08, 2013, 09:15:46 AM »

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Is it likely that more will be caught and if so enough to form a European "Pfeifferville" with a certain bishop in residence?

Yes, indeed. We Europeans also need resistance priests here. It's also close to the good bishop. :-)

Let us hope that Bishop Williamson and the three priests are already in touch with one another!

suger · « **Reply #36 on:** March 08, 2013, 09:37:19 AM »

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Unbelievable assumption. Surely you don't mean that.

Instead of inferring that His Grace committed simony (money in exchange for a sacrament or an office in the Church) I think that the simple and real explanation is that he could have never imagined that Bishop Fellay would become the destroyer of the SSPX. Who could have imagined that back then, 25 years ago?

Indeed I don't mean simony, +Fellay never bargained / purchased his office, and ABL would never have done such a sin.

What I mean is :

re. ABL :

- one fact is that as he was building up the Society from scratch he often was in dire need of money (and things are very expensive in Switzerland), (e.g. check +TdM book)

- he intended only to consecrate +Williamson, +Tdm, +de Gallareta

- this swiss financial backer was influential in changing ABL's mind and having +Fellay additionally consecrated. I assume +ABL saw things like this : this good man and his Swiss friends have helped the Society so much and are still helping so much, and now he is begging for one of his countrymen as a further bishop, I cannot refuse that.

- both Mr. Lovey and +ABL didn't at any time realise they were making a mistake, they acted in all honesty and good faith.

Re. +Fellay and the people providing money to Mr. Lovey, I fear things may not be so nice. Now, 25 years later we can know :

- +Fellay has been betraying the Society for decades (G.R.E.C.), and does clearly not behave as he should

- the zionist Krah has been exposed

- and I know other things I can't put here re. the geopolitics of a given lobby

So it seems to me that the best explanations for all these things, with the hindsight we now have, are:

- M. Folley and ABL were tricked in a push to have +Fellay consecrated, who then worked on gaining all powers in the Society

- interestingly +Fellay was the one caring about the financial issues, before taking all power he could first develop a financial construction most suitable to his long-term schemes

- if +Fellay was pushed like this by financial backers, it is more reasonable to think that he was a mole right from the beginning than he later became soldout

Pius IX · « **Reply #37 on:** March 08, 2013, 10:03:44 AM »

Quote from: suger

Quote from: Pius IX
Quote from: Matto
Quote from: suger
Mgr. Fellay, is a traitor, either a sellout or a mole right from the begin.

If Fellay is really a traitor, I hope his treachery is recent and not from the beginning.

Such charity towards a Roman Catholic bishop!

Pius IX ,
- there are many letters by the Society's priests proving that this bishop is a blatant liar
- he betrayed you by secretly plotting the sellout of the Society for decades (check out the G.R.E.C. plot)
- he betrayed you by negociating for a pratical agreement although he had pledged that he would not do so unless there would be a doctrinal agreement first
- etc.

This is indeed very unpleasant, but this is the truth.
(and if you only care about charity let me ask you: what are you doing here? why not just joining any of those protestant evangelical churches full of lovely people...?)

I cannot attest to the veracity of your claims, but I am not an evangelical because those are false sects. Charity isn't a feeling.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #38 on:** March 08, 2013, 10:18:48 AM »

Suger:

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he (ABL) intended only to consecrate +Williamson, +Tdm, +de Gallareta

We hear this over and over again, and I think it's true. Those in a position to best corroborate that assertion are the the three other bishops, I would think. Why have none of them stated either privately or publicly that Fellay was indeed an afterthought as you testify? Surely, the SG is in the hands of tribal banksters. Anyone with a little understanding can see that. But for all of that, speaking now only from our experience here in Post Falls, the rank and file of the ICC faithful are firmly in the grip of Fellayism. They are Society slaves, and happy in their ignorance.

PAT317 · « **Reply #39 on:** March 08, 2013, 10:27:21 AM »

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Suger:
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he (ABL) intended only to consecrate +Williamson, +Tdm, +de Gallareta

We hear this over and over again, and I think it's true. Those in a position to best corroborate that assertion are the the three other bishops, I would think. Why have none of them stated either privately or publicly that Fellay was indeed an afterthought as you testify? Surely, the SG is in the hands of tribal banksters. Anyone with a little understanding can see that. But for all of that, speaking now only from our experience here in Post Falls, the rank and file of the ICC faithful are firmly in the grip of Fellayism. They are Society slaves, and happy in their ignorance.

I think just the other day someone posted a quote from the biography of +ABL by Bp. Tissier, where he mentions the "3 candidates." There are other quotes too, I've seen, where he mentions "three." (probably also in Archbishop Lefebvre and the Vatican) Although he doesn't name them, it is clear from these several quotes that during that 1987/early 1988 time frame, he had in mind to consecrate 3 bishops.

John Grace · « **Reply #40 on:** March 08, 2013, 10:34:01 AM »

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I think that the simple and real explanation is that he could have never imagined that Bishop Fellay would become the destroyer of the SSPX. Who could have imagined that back then, 25 years ago?

People were opposed to him 25 years ago. Bishop Fellay is the mere puppet to the destroyers of the SSPX. Bishop Fellay could be cut adrift at any time.

Dr Krah and others will decide what happens to Bishop Fellay.

Ethelred · « **Reply #41 on:** March 08, 2013, 10:43:38 AM »

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From (SSPX) priestly sources who knew and know the family Lovey, we have the information that your mentioned backer who urged Archbishop Lefebvre to consecrate a Swiss-French bishop (number 4), was the Swiss-French lawyer Mr. Lovey.
I was told Mr. Lovey meant well. Still today we got the mess.

If I remember correctly Mr. Lovey handled financial affairs in or around Ecône, and was the head of a group of benefactors financially supporting Archbishop Lefebvre.

To be more precise: Mr. Lovey (on behalf of his group of benefactors) actually bought the entire Econe for Archbishop Lefebvre.

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Mr. Lovey's son Philippe Lovey was ordained a priest in the SSPX and later was the Swiss district superior. If I remember correctly, today Fr. Philippe Lovey is supporting Bp Fellay's sellout to Newrome, as do nearly all Swiss SSPX priests unfortunately.

Thank you so much for this key-piece of information, Ethelred!!!!
I was unable to retrieve the name of the financial backer responsible for this. I do believe too he was a nice person, but was naively manipulated by evil-intended money-lenders. Our Lord was right to chase the banksters out of the temple.

You're welcome Suger, and thank you for your good informations.

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Re. ABL, he was in dire need of financial support and had no choice. This is how the banksters got a pull on the Society, as they have pulls on anything they find important in the West.

Well, the situation is becoming clearer now: After Mr. Lovey bought Ecône for the Archbishop, and then some ~20 years later in 1988 Mr. Lovey urged the Archbishop to consecrate also Fr. Fellay because of the "importance of Switzerland for the SSPX" (quoted according to my sources), I think it's understandable that the good Archbishop could have felt obliged to do so because of what Mr. Lovey did for the society...

That's no accusation.

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And this is why +Fellay had to insert Krah into such a position of financial control over the Society, why he always listens to Krah and always protects him.

Besides praying, it is difficult to see what to do to save the Society from the grip of the banksters.

The Neo-SSPX is dead.
Long live the true SSPX, or even better: all faithful Catholics!

John Grace · « **Reply #42 on:** March 08, 2013, 10:46:26 AM »

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Besides praying, it is difficult to see what to do to save the Society from the grip of the banksters.

Whilst naturally the Fellayites dismissed it as rubbish but a fair point made regarding El Krahgate was what could people do? Many lay folk felt helpless following the information from William of Norwich.

A point was made though that some conceded they had not questioned enough. They gave Bishop Fellay the benefit of the doubt and still put money in the plate each Sunday. That is for their conscience but not only the SSPX are under the grip of the banksters.

Given the Gutmann/Rothschild direct involvement in the SSPX, they are in a difficult position and the point is brought home when you see priests expelled.

It's difficult for Society priests to preach on usury, on Deicide when their society is in the grip of bankers.

John Grace · « **Reply #43 on:** March 08, 2013, 10:50:24 AM »

The only way forward that I see is to start again with "a loose network of independent pockets of Catholic Resistance, gathered around the Mass, freely contacting one another, but with no structure of false obedience, which served to sink the mainstream Church in the 1960’s and is now sinking the Society of St. Pius X."

Ethelred · « **Reply #44 on:** March 08, 2013, 11:04:17 AM »

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The only way forward that I see is to start again with "a loose network of independent pockets of Catholic Resistance, gathered around the Mass, freely contacting one another, but with no structure of false obedience, which served to sink the mainstream Church in the 1960’s and is now sinking the Society of St. Pius X."

Now that is one wise quote!