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I hope there is room for them in Pfeifferville.

I hope they are joining the Resistance, yes.

I suppose right now the Pfeiffer ranch in Kentucky is the best equipped to house Resistance priests as a sort of "Resistance priory". And priests do need the companionship and moral support of fellow priests in their battles with the world. Abp. Lefebvre knew this, which is why he designed the SSPX around Priories.

But we should all take heed to not place ALL our hopes in Fr. Pfeiffer. He is an excellent priest and his sermons are downright awesome, but he might have fatal flaws like all of us -- for example, being irrationally loyal to a given layman.

Such could be his undoing. If that happens, we will have to continue to keep the Faith and not give up.

Remember in Greek mythology, Achilles was dipped in an "invincibility" potion, but they had to hold him by his heel when they dipped him in it. So he was vulnerable in that one spot -- the Achilles' Heel. Guess where he got shot with an arrow?

Let's not set ourselves up for massive disappointment by treating Fr. Pfeiffer like he's "The One" or something.

Would he even want that?

Since this is CathInfo, I have to spell out everything I'm trying to say (and spell out what I'm NOT trying to say).

What I advocate: Love, support, and attend the Masses of Fr. Pfeiffer. Spread the word about the Resistance, record the sermons of Fr. Pfeiffer and the other Resistance priests, post them online, and encourage people to attend Masses of all the Resistance priests. Support him with volunteer work, money, and prayers.

What I advise against: Forming a cult of personality around him. Don't worship the man. He's just ONE priest. And though he is very holy, he may yet have flaws. Not even sins, mind you -- just flaws. Like trusting the wrong person, etc.

Ok, not one, but TWO people had a problem with THIS?

Ok, I'm sorry. Nix what I said. "We should worship him. In fact, I'm going to cut up my couch where he sat 2 weeks ago and turn the whole thing into 3rd class relics."

Happy now?

Seriously, unless that is how you truly feel, how could anyone disagree with my very Catholic, very balanced post (above)?

I'm asking out of courtesy. You all should know by now that the moderator can see who thumbed up or thumbed down a given post.

My guess? Someone is voting out of knee-jerk jingoism. They're voting "for the team". Everything comes down to "team colors" -- Pro-Pfeiffer or Anti-Pfeiffer. Every post is distilled down into one of those 2 simplistic camps.

I'm amazed that Tradition is still a force to be reckoned with at all, with this level of emotionalism and lack of reason displayed.

Since I advocated not worshipping him, I guess my post is rounded down to Anti-Pfeiffer? (Actually, I would still disagree: Most of my post is about how we should support him wholeheartedly)

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

I hope there is room for them in Pfeifferville.

I hope they are joining the Resistance, yes.

I suppose right now the Pfeiffer ranch in Kentucky is the best equipped to house Resistance priests as a sort of "Resistance priory". And priests do need the companionship and moral support of fellow priests in their battles with the world. Abp. Lefebvre knew this, which is why he designed the SSPX around Priories.

But we should all take heed to not place ALL our hopes in Fr. Pfeiffer. He is an excellent priest and his sermons are downright awesome, but he might have fatal flaws like all of us -- for example, being irrationally loyal to a given layman.

Such could be his undoing. If that happens, we will have to continue to keep the Faith and not give up.

Remember in Greek mythology, Achilles was dipped in an "invincibility" potion, but they had to hold him by his heel when they dipped him in it. So he was vulnerable in that one spot -- the Achilles' Heel. Guess where he got shot with an arrow?

Let's not set ourselves up for massive disappointment by treating Fr. Pfeiffer like he's "The One" or something.

Would he even want that?

Since this is CathInfo, I have to spell out everything I'm trying to say (and spell out what I'm NOT trying to say).

What I advocate: Love, support, and attend the Masses of Fr. Pfeiffer. Spread the word about the Resistance, record the sermons of Fr. Pfeiffer and the other Resistance priests, post them online, and encourage people to attend Masses of all the Resistance priests. Support him with volunteer work, money, and prayers.

What I advise against: Forming a cult of personality around him. Don't worship the man. He's just ONE priest. And though he is very holy, he may yet have flaws. Not even sins, mind you -- just flaws. Like trusting the wrong person, etc.

I guess it pays to own a website. When I say something like that about Fr. Pfeiffer they all give me thumbs down!  

:really-mad2:

After learning about the letter of the 37 French priests of the La Sapiniere underground resistance network, (and I assume after a huge explosion of wrath)
Mgr. Fellay,
although he had the French superior pretend the letter was a fake written by a lone coward (and likewise with their accomplices on the internet),
set all means in his power to catch the underground dissidents.

The news is out that Mgr Fellays KGB has already succeded in catching three out of the 37 :
- Nicolas Pinaud (based in France)
- Olivier Rioult Joinville (both based in France)
- Mathieu Salenave (based Bruxelles, Belgium).

The first sanctions announced are:
- they are deprived from ministry
- they will be canonically sued
- they will be deported to another place.

Oh our Lord Jesus Christ, I pray Thee that the SSPX be freed from this dictator-treator and all his cunning sellout schemes.

Sorry to rectify:

this is not Olivier Rioult Joinville but Olivier Rioult (Joinville). Olivier Rioult is a priest based in Joinville (French town in Haute-Marne).

Nicolas Pinaud is based in Couloutre (French hamlet, Nièvre, France), a place owned by Father Bruno Schaeffer, a priest who is helping the SSPX in Paris, whithout being part of it. Father Bruno Schaeffer suffers from a serious cancer. Please, pray also for Father Schaeffer, thank you.

Kind regards.

He had no intention to nominate a further bishop but it is said that he had to change his mind after a major financial swiss backer insisted that a swiss bishop be also nominated and pushed for Mgr Fellay.

From (SSPX) priestly sources who knew and know the family Lovey, we have the information that your mentioned backer who urged Archbishop Lefebvre to consecrate a Swiss-French bishop (number 4), was the Swiss-French lawyer Mr. Lovey.
I was told Mr. Lovey meant well. Still today we got the mess.

If I remember correctly Mr. Lovey handled financial affairs in or around Ecône, and was the head of a group of benefactors financially supporting Archbishop Lefebvre.

Mr. Lovey's son Philippe Lovey was ordained a priest in the SSPX and later was the Swiss district superior. If I remember correctly, today Fr. Philippe Lovey is supporting Bp Fellay's sellout to Newrome, as do nearly all Swiss SSPX priests unfortunately.

Is it likely that more will be caught and if so enough to form a European "Pfeifferville" with a certain bishop in residence?

Yes, indeed. We Europeans also need resistance priests here. It's also close to the good bishop. :-)

It is hard  to imagine what is motivating these benefactors, GREC people and influencial district superiors when Rome and the dioceses are in such a mess. Could it be that these prosperous European conservatives no longer want old religious differences to affect a gradual acceptance of the status quo in civil life? They see a solution in conciliar conservatism which has had time to grow and has become a safe attraction for many traditional Catholics .... who can also claim to be not schismatic! And it is significant that SSPX parishes in prosperous Germany, Austria and Switzerland should see the 'benefits' of this solution.  

The first sanctions announced are:
- they are deprived from ministry
- they will be canonically sued
- they will be deported to another place.

Being "deported to another place": isn't that a transfer rather than being expelled from the neo-SSPX?

A punishment.....more or less...??