Author Topic: Breaking news: 3 French Priests caught by Mgr. Fellays KGB, to be deported (Read 14261 times)

suger · « **on:** March 07, 2013, 04:13:08 PM »

:really-mad2:

After learning about the letter of the 37 French priests of the La Sapiniere underground resistance network, (and I assume after a huge explosion of wrath)
Mgr. Fellay,
although he had the French superior pretend the letter was a fake written by a lone coward (and likewise with their accomplices on the internet),
set all means in his power to catch the underground dissidents.

The news is out that Mgr Fellays KGB has already succeded in catching three out of the 37 :
- Nicolas Pinaud (based in France)
- Olivier Rioult Joinville (both based in France)
- Mathieu Salenave (based Bruxelles, Belgium).

The first sanctions announced are:
- they are deprived from ministry
- they will be canonically sued
- they will be deported to another place.

Oh our Lord Jesus Christ, I pray Thee that the SSPX be freed from this dictator-treator and all his cunning sellout schemes.

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2013, 04:20:33 PM »

So no dissension allowed and coerced by force, and +Fellay is correct, despite a few slips here and there, because he's the SG? :rolleyes: This is how far the SSPX has fallen: first, Fr Raphael Arizaga, OSB, and now these 3 more. It seems to be a matter of time (unless the Pope yet to be elected actually follows the true line of "restoring all things in Christ") that the SSPX will be just another casualty in the long list of groups who tried to negotiate with Rome and be free to criticize Vatican II.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2013, 04:30:33 PM »

I hope there is room for them in Pfeifferville.

suger · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2013, 04:37:54 PM »

Quote from: Quo Vadis Petre

the SSPX will be just another casualty in the long list of groups who tried to negotiate with Rome and be free to criticize Vatican II.

Thank you for your analysis.
To be more precise, I don't think that the negociations as such are the root of this evil destruction of the SSPX. I see the negociations only as a mean towards corruption and destruction.
I think the root of evil is that, I am unfortunately very sorry to say and hope I am allowed to say so, the head, Mgr. Fellay, is a traitor, either a sellout or a mole right from the begining. It is exactly the same recipee the enemies of Christ applied to the official church, they got it by the head (John XXIII, Paul VI) and the Catholic duty of obedience. It worked, and now they are doing the same to the SSPX...

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2013, 04:39:21 PM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

I hope there is room for them in Pfeifferville.

I hope they are joining the Resistance, yes.

I suppose right now the Pfeiffer ranch in Kentucky is the best equipped to house Resistance priests as a sort of "Resistance priory". And priests do need the companionship and moral support of fellow priests in their battles with the world. Abp. Lefebvre knew this, which is why he designed the SSPX around Priories.

But we should all take heed to not place ALL our hopes in Fr. Pfeiffer. He is an excellent priest and his sermons are downright awesome, but he might have fatal flaws like all of us -- for example, being irrationally loyal to a given layman.

Such could be his undoing. If that happens, we will have to continue to keep the Faith and not give up.

Remember in Greek mythology, Achilles was dipped in an "invincibility" potion, but they had to hold him by his heel when they dipped him in it. So he was vulnerable in that one spot -- the Achilles' Heel. Guess where he got shot with an arrow?

Let's not set ourselves up for massive disappointment by treating Fr. Pfeiffer like he's "The One" or something.

Would he even want that?

Since this is CathInfo, I have to spell out everything I'm trying to say (and spell out what I'm NOT trying to say).

What I advocate: Love, support, and attend the Masses of Fr. Pfeiffer. Spread the word about the Resistance, record the sermons of Fr. Pfeiffer and the other Resistance priests, post them online, and encourage people to attend Masses of all the Resistance priests. Support him with volunteer work, money, and prayers.

What I advise against: Forming a cult of personality around him. Don't worship the man. He's just ONE priest. And though he is very holy, he may yet have flaws. Not even sins, mind you -- just flaws. Like trusting the wrong person, etc.

Matto · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2013, 04:39:39 PM »

Quote from: suger

Mgr. Fellay, is a traitor, either a sellout or a mole right from the begin.

If Fellay is really a traitor, I hope his treachery is recent and not from the beginning.

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2013, 04:40:23 PM »

Indeed, there can be other places than Kentucky, if the Resistance faithful are willing.

BTW, it is so hypocritical to begin canonical processes against these 3 SSPX priests, since the SSPX has all this time operated outside of Canon Law (even though it was a necessity)!

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #7 on:** March 07, 2013, 04:40:55 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: suger
Mgr. Fellay, is a traitor, either a sellout or a mole right from the begin.

If Fellay is really a traitor, I hope his treachery is recent and not from the beginning.

According to the recent book about GREC, it seems +Fellay countenanced this since the 1990s.

suger · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2013, 04:54:10 PM »

Quote from: Matto

If Fellay is really a traitor, I hope his treachery is recent and not from the beginning.

There was no need for two French-speaking bishops. ABL was happy with 3 bishops + 1 (non-bishop, to avoid undue concentration of power) superior, giving a good linguistic spread :
- French : Mgr TdM
- English : Mgr Williamson
- Spanish / Latin : Mgr. Gallerata
- German : Father Schmidberger (superior)

He had no intention to nominate a further bishop but it is said that he had to change his mind after a major financial swiss backer insisted that a swiss bishop be also nominated and pushed for Mgr Fellay. I think they were related to his family. This may be an indication that he may have been a mole implanted as early as ABL movement was becoming hugely successful..

suger · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2013, 05:05:38 PM »

I am starting to back up all this with evidence

Quote from: suger

There was no need for two French-speaking bishops. ABL was happy with 3 bishops + 1 (non-bishop, to avoid undue concentration of power) superior, giving a good linguistic spread :
- French : Mgr TdM
- English : Mgr Williamson
- Spanish / Latin : Mgr. Gallerata
- German : Father Schmidberger (superior)

He had no intention to nominate a further bishop

For this there is +TdM's book Marcel Lefebvre, p. 581 :

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Le 2 février, Mgr Lefebvre confirme la nouvelle : "je suis décidé à sacrer au moins trois évêques le 30 juin"

s2srea · « **Reply #10 on:** March 07, 2013, 05:22:54 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
I hope there is room for them in Pfeifferville.

I hope they are joining the Resistance, yes.

I suppose right now the Pfeiffer ranch in Kentucky is the best equipped to house Resistance priests as a sort of "Resistance priory". And priests do need the companionship and moral support of fellow priests in their battles with the world. Abp. Lefebvre knew this, which is why he designed the SSPX around Priories.

But we should all take heed to not place ALL our hopes in Fr. Pfeiffer. He is an excellent priest and his sermons are downright awesome, but he might have fatal flaws like all of us -- for example, being irrationally loyal to a given layman.

Such could be his undoing. If that happens, we will have to continue to keep the Faith and not give up.

Remember in Greek mythology, Achilles was dipped in an "invincibility" potion, but they had to hold him by his heel when they dipped him in it. So he was vulnerable in that one spot -- the Achilles' Heel. Guess where he got shot with an arrow?

Let's not set ourselves up for massive disappointment by treating Fr. Pfeiffer like he's "The One" or something.

Would he even want that?

Since this is CathInfo, I have to spell out everything I'm trying to say (and spell out what I'm NOT trying to say).

What I advocate: Love, support, and attend the Masses of Fr. Pfeiffer. Spread the word about the Resistance, record the sermons of Fr. Pfeiffer and the other Resistance priests, post them online, and encourage people to attend Masses of all the Resistance priests. Support him with volunteer work, money, and prayers.

What I advise against: Forming a cult of personality around him. Don't worship the man. He's just ONE priest. And though he is very holy, he may yet have flaws. Not even sins, mind you -- just flaws. Like trusting the wrong person, etc.

This is right. Remember what Bishop Williamson suggested:

Quote

a loose network of independent pockets of Resistance, gathered around the Mass, freely contacting one another, but with no structure

The resistance in this manner would serve many purposes, including what Matthew is speaking to above.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #11 on:** March 07, 2013, 05:57:41 PM »

March 7th: Communiqué of the Superior of the District of France : Clarification about an anonymous letter

"A letter, supposedly signed by 37 priests of the district of France was published several days ago on an anonymous website.

After taking the time to check this out, we are able to say that it was just a confabulation.

If this is unfortunately true that a few priests did anonymous and gravely subversive actions against the authority of the Society, so that they could obtain the resignation of their superiors, they represent only a small number [of priests].

Three of them have been immediately relieved of their apostolate.

We express our deep sorrow about this attitude, since it does not rest on nothing objective (*). Those priests have been moved by irrational distrust against the authority of the Society when it [the Society] only continues its role of maintaining and defending the faith in the serious crisis that the Church is going through.

In this month of March, as the Society of Saint Pius X is consecrated to Saint Joseph, it hands its confidence in the supernatural help that the patron of the Holy Church never missed to grant.

However hard this trial is, the Society peacefully continues its apostolical work, in faithfulness to the line that his Excellency Archbishop Lefebvre, its founder, to restore everything in Christ.

Father Régis de Cacqueray, Superior of the District of France

Commentary:

Fr. de Cacqueray said:

"After taking the time to check this out, we are able to say that it was just a confabulation.

If this is unfortunately true that a few priests did anonymous and gravely subversive actions against the authority of the Society, so that they could obtain the resignation of their superiors, they represent only a small number [of priests].

Three of them have been immediately relieved of their apostolate."

1) In the 1st quoted sentence, he says this is a complete fabrication;

2) In the 2nd quoted sentence, he says it might not be a complete fabrication.

3) In the 3rd quoted sentence he admits it is definately not a complete fabrication.

4) Has a contageous disease been released from Menzingen that impairs SSPX superiors from talking straight???

miserere nobis · « **Reply #12 on:** March 07, 2013, 07:20:27 PM »

Quote from: suger

:really-mad2:

After learning about the letter of the 37 French priests of the La Sapiniere underground resistance network, (and I assume after a huge explosion of wrath)
Mgr. Fellay,
although he had the French superior pretend the letter was a fake written by a lone coward (and likewise with their accomplices on the internet),
set all means in his power to catch the underground dissidents.

The news is out that Mgr Fellays KGB has already succeded in catching three out of the 37 :
- Nicolas Pinaud (based in France)
- Olivier Rioult Joinville (both based in France)
- Mathieu Salenave (based Bruxelles, Belgium).

The first sanctions announced are:
- they are deprived from ministry
- they will be canonically sued
- they will be deported to another place.

Oh our Lord Jesus Christ, I pray Thee that the SSPX be freed from this dictator-treator and all his cunning sellout schemes.

Where did you learn of this? Is it likely that more will be caught and if so enough to form a European "Pfeifferville" with a certain bishop in residence?

Machabees · « **Reply #13 on:** March 07, 2013, 07:22:44 PM »

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We express our deep sorrow about this attitude, since it does not rest on nothing objective (*). Those priests have been moved by irrational distrust against the authority of the Society when it [the Society] only continues its role of maintaining and defending the faith in the serious crisis that the Church is going through.

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The "contents" of the Letter is not objective? Well Bishop Fellay did not deny anything in the contents when he spoke out about the Letter!

The Priests are moved by an "irrational distrust against the authority" to break the "false" obedience and speak out against it? So is the SSPX leaders also "irrational in distrust against the authority" to break the "false" obedience of following Liberal Rome in order to speak out against it?

SSPX still defending the Faith of ABL? It is mutating (externally) over the last year into something different from what ABL had guided it to do -that is for certain- from the leaders of the SSPX own admittance.

What hypocrisy...

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2013, 07:24:50 PM »

Quote from: Machabees

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We express our deep sorrow about this attitude, since it does not rest on nothing objective (*). Those priests have been moved by irrational distrust against the authority of the Society when it [the Society] only continues its role of maintaining and defending the faith in the serious crisis that the Church is going through.
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The "contents" of the Letter is not objective? Well Bishop Fellay did not deny anything in the contents when he spoke out about the Letter!

The Priests are moved by an "irrational" distrust against the authority to break the "false" obedience and speak out against it? So is the SSPX leaders also "irrational" in distrust against the authority to break the "false" obedience of following Liberal Rome in order to speak out against it?

SSPX still defending the Faith of ABL? It is mutating (externally) over the last year into something different from what ABL had guided it to do -that is for certain- from the leaders of the SSPX own admittance.

What hypocrisy...

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