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« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2013, 11:19:29 AM »
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  • Here are is the 2 pages of the letter sent yesterday by the politburo about the 3 priests caught. It contains no answer to they strong proof of +Fellay's lies, they are simply accused of destroying the Society by lying, etc...

    It is 1984, +Fellay goes on lying and cheating , but any honest priest genuinely proving this is made into a criminal liar, without a single shred of proof...

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    « Reply #46 on: March 08, 2013, 11:23:48 AM »
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  • One of the good priest has already provided an answer to these absurd charges, exposing one more time more hypocrisy. He ends by saying that their site will go on the work of exposing the truth, they are not afraid, etc.

    http://www.lasapiniere.info/rectificatif/


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        Rectificatif au sujet du Communiqué du Supérieur du District de France à propos de la lettre du 28 février à Mgr Fellay

    Une lettre partagée par 37 prêtres du district de France a bien été postée sur le site La Sapinière. Les vérités qu’elles contiennent ont manifestement fort déplu à la Maison Générale qui a décidé de sanctionner trois prêtres parmi les trente-sept l’approuvant. Leur crime: ne pas supporter les mensonges de la Maison Générale.

    Elle les somme au nom du canon 2331 § 2 de cesser leur ministère et d’être mis en quarantaine jusqu’à un procès où celui que nous accusons deviendra aussi notre juge. C’est-à-dire que Mgr Fellay sera juge et partie.
    Nous ne connaissons aucun canon du Droit de l’Eglise qui permette de mentir. Nous connaissons par contre le 8e commandement de Dieu qui l’interdit.
    Tout le contenu de la lettre du 28 février est vrai et vérifiable. La Maison Générale, gênée, a d’abord dit qu’il s’agissait d’un faux, que cette lettre ne pouvait pas venir de prêtres. Devant les faits, on cherche à faire croire « qu’il s’agissait là d’une affabulation».
    Nous n’avons rien « contre l’autorité de la Fraternité », à laquelle nous devons tout, nous voulons simplement que la Maison Générale cesse de déformer la réalité et de favoriser un libéralisme pratique.
    Quoiqu’ils en disent, il n’y a pas « qu’un très petit nombre » de prêtres qui souhaitent « la démission de ses Supérieurs »!

    Trois prêtres ont été sanctionnés, certes, mais cela ne change rien aux faits. Le problème reste entier. Nous refusons l’accusation du Secrétaire Général. Nous avons toujours justifié nos sources. Nous n’avons commis ni calomnies, ni diffamations, ni amalgames. Si nous nous sommes résolus à manifester le mal fait par le Supérieur Général et ses Assistants, ce n’est qu’après avoir consulté saint Thomas et des autorités morales de la Fraternité. Notre but est de faire cesser le scandale de la politique trouble et ambiguë de la Maison Générale.
    Notre « attitude » ne se fonde pas « sur rien d’objectif », au contraire! Nous ne nous sommes pas « laissés emporter par une méfiance irraisonnée contre l’autorité de la Fraternité ». Les raisons de notre inquiétude sont non seulement raisonnées mais argumentées et résumées dans le « Catéchisme de la Crise dans la Fraternité».

    Nous ne doutons pas de la rectitude doctrinale du Supérieur du District de France, mais nous constatons qu’il n’est plus libre d’écrire ce qu’il pense. Il doit tordre sa conscience pour exempter son Supérieur de ses défaillances afin de pouvoir prêcher la doctrine.
    Sans la lettre du 28 février des 37 prêtres, Mgr Fellay aurait-il donné cette conférence à Nantes le 1er mars de cette manière ?
    La Lettre aux amis et bienfaiteurs de mars aurait-elle obtenue l’autorisation de publication de Menzingen sans cet ajout de l’abbé de Cacqueray, qui jure avec la beauté du reste de son texte, ajout où celui-ci exprime à Mgr Fellay sa « reconnaissance pour son refus courageux qu’il a adressé au pape. » Ici nous ne sommes plus dans la rectitude doctrinale mais dans les marécages de la diplomatie.

    La Sapinière continuera son travail. Est est, Non non.!

    Nous ne haïssons personne, ni Mgr Fellay quoique sa duplicité nous effraye, ni l’abbé de Cacqueray pour qui nous avons la plus grande estime. Mais à tous les deux, et à tous les capitulants qui au lieu de résoudre vraiment le problème au chapitre de juillet 2012 n’ont fait que le cacher et le cautionner en partie, nous leur disons ces paroles du Lieutenant Degueldre à ses bourreaux avant d’être fusillé : « je ne vous hais pas, je vous plains ».

    Abbé Olivier Rioult>, Fsspx,
    un des trois prêtres sanctionnés.


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    « Reply #47 on: March 08, 2013, 12:37:26 PM »
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  • This is my reply to post #23:



    Quote from: Ethelred
    Quote from: Quo Vadis Petre
    Quote from: Matto
    Quote from: suger
    Mgr. Fellay, is a traitor, either a sellout or a mole right from the begin.


    If Fellay is really a traitor, I hope his treachery is recent and not from the beginning.


    According to the recent book about GREC, it seems +Fellay countenanced this since the 1990s.

    Yes, GREC shows the sell-out to Newrome is a long-term operation which didn't start in 2000 or 2007. Like Neil said in another topic, there will probably be more ECs handling the GREC subversion. But already the latest EC is very interesting, see its introduction :

    EC 294, 2 March 2013, GREC I.

    Just over one year ago was published in France a little book of some 150 pages which has to be a big embarrassment for the leaders of a certain religious Society, because it shows how their promotion of union with the Newchurch goes back many years, at least to the 1990’s. Of course if they are proud of that promotion, they will feel no embarrassment, but if they have for many years been disguising that promotion, then let at least readers of the little book open their eyes. [..]



    Sorry I'm so late in responding to this.

    Quo Vadis Petre provides the transcript here to a recent conference Fr. Pfeiffer
    gave in Brazil on January 25th A.D. 2013:



    ...Now they are telling us not to look at what Bishop Fellay is doing today, but to look at all the beautiful things he has done over the last eighteen years.  When we look over those last eighteen years we discover it's not so beautiful, like, for example, what is now coming out in public : this Groupe de Réflexion Entre Catholiques (Reflection Group Between Catholics), or GREC.  This group started in Paris, in 1997.  Four SSPX priests were involved.  Firstly, Father Lorans, to whom Bishop Fellay gave the permission.  Father Lorans was once the superior at the seminary at Econe and he now runs the Dici website.  Then there was Father Celier and Father Du Chalard.  Father Du Chalard was one of our priests in Rome and he is friends with many cardinals, and has been one of our principle contacts with Rome for more than twenty years.  He was thrown out by the 'Si Si No No' sisters because he was too liberal.  And lastly, the priest who wrote the book "Towards a Necessary Reconciliation", about, and promoted by, GREC: Father Lelong.  Father Lelong founded GREC alongside Father Lorans.  He said Father Du Chalard had been a continual support, though secretly. What is the purpose of this group?  They want to reconcile the SSPX and Rome using the principles of Vatican II.  So in applying the principles of Vatican II to SSPX, the key phrase, admitted by GREC is the 'Light of Tradition'...



    When +W touches on the same topic 5 weeks later, it seems he is picking up
    some slack.  I expect +W has noticed, by his correspondence and interaction
    with Catholics the world over, that this concept is not being appreciated.  He
    sees that there is a weakness, a failure in the thinking of Catholics today to
    see the truth, the truth that is not "Internet rumor" or gossip, or presumption,
    but truth that the perpetrators themselves have proclaimed.  

    +W asks that "the readers open their eyes."  

    Fr. Du Chalard has been SECRETLY promoting this 'deal' with modernist Rome
    since the inception of GREC, which means since 1997.



    "Of course if they are proud of that promotion, they will feel no embarrassment, but if they have for many years been disguising that promotion, then let at least readers of the little book open their eyes."




    And 5 weeks before +W writes this in his "forbidden ECs" Fr. Pfeiffer has already
    given the 'goods' to the monks in Brazil.  




    But meanwhile, Catholic mothers and fathers here in the USA are blithely
    making plans to send their sons off to Winona expecting the "same old
    traditional formation" that would have been proffered 20 years ago.  




    Mothers and Fathers, please:  OPEN YOUR EYES.




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    « Reply #48 on: March 08, 2013, 12:47:20 PM »
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  • PAT:
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    I think just the other day someone posted a quote from the biography of +ABL by Bp. Tissier, where he mentions the "3 candidates."  There are other quotes too, I've seen, where he mentions "three."  (probably also in Archbishop Lefebvre and the Vatican)  Although he doesn't name them, it is clear from these several quotes that during that 1987/early 1988 time frame, he had in mind to consecrate 3 bishops.  


    So why don't we get the clear story today?  It seems to me that an historical summary from a truly knowledgeable and authoritative source, revealing the events leading up to Fellay's add-on appointment, would be most appropriate at this point in time.  

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    « Reply #49 on: March 08, 2013, 12:50:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Bishop Fellay acts like a freemason, purging opposition to his liberalism remorselessly.

    It's this way of behaving that shows us the true colors of these people.

    It is harder for some people to understand, just going by his words, which are very tricky. (despite some big blunders on occasion)

    However, his associations, and his intolerance for the position of the Archbishop shows his true loyalties, and his inveterate hostility to those who stand with the mission of the Archbishop.


     :applause:
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #50 on: March 08, 2013, 01:23:40 PM »
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    I hope there is room for them in Pfeifferville.


    I hope they are joining the Resistance, yes.

    I suppose right now the Pfeiffer ranch in Kentucky is the best equipped to house Resistance priests as a sort of "Resistance priory". And priests do need the companionship and moral support of fellow priests in their battles with the world. Abp. Lefebvre knew this, which is why he designed the SSPX around Priories.

    But we should all take heed to not place ALL our hopes in Fr. Pfeiffer. He is an excellent priest and his sermons are downright awesome, but he might have fatal flaws like all of us -- for example, being irrationally loyal to a given layman.

    Such could be his undoing. If that happens, we will have to continue to keep the Faith and not give up.

    Remember in Greek mythology, Achilles was dipped in an "invincibility" potion, but they had to hold him by his heel when they dipped him in it. So he was vulnerable in that one spot -- the Achilles' Heel. Guess where he got shot with an arrow?

    Let's not set ourselves up for massive disappointment by treating Fr. Pfeiffer like he's "The One" or something.

    Would he even want that?

    Since this is CathInfo, I have to spell out everything I'm trying to say (and spell out what I'm NOT trying to say).

    What I advocate: Love, support, and attend the Masses of Fr. Pfeiffer. Spread the word about the Resistance, record the sermons of Fr. Pfeiffer and the other Resistance priests, post them online, and encourage people to attend Masses of all the Resistance priests. Support him with volunteer work, money, and prayers.

    What I advise against: Forming a cult of personality around him. Don't worship the man. He's just ONE priest. And though he is very holy, he may yet have flaws. Not even sins, mind you -- just flaws. Like trusting the wrong person, etc.


    Ok, not one, but TWO people had a problem with THIS?

    Ok, I'm sorry. Nix what I said. "We should worship him. In fact, I'm going to cut up my couch where he sat 2 weeks ago and turn the whole thing into 3rd class relics."

    Happy now?

    Seriously, unless that is how you truly feel, how could anyone disagree with my very Catholic, very balanced post (above)?

    I'm asking out of courtesy. You all should know by now that the moderator can see who thumbed up or thumbed down a given post.

    My guess? Someone is voting out of knee-jerk jingoism. They're voting "for the team". Everything comes down to "team colors" -- Pro-Pfeiffer or Anti-Pfeiffer. Every post is distilled down into one of those 2 simplistic camps.

    I'm amazed that Tradition is still a force to be reckoned with at all, with this level of emotionalism and lack of reason displayed.

    Since I advocated not worshipping him, I guess my post is rounded down to Anti-Pfeiffer? (Actually, I would still disagree: Most of my post is about how we should support him wholeheartedly)


    Matthew,

    Why should I be afraid to know that you know I’m the one that gave you thumbs down?  Are you willing to intimidate me because of your moderation authority? Ok my “lord“ I will not disagree with you. Sure!
     
    What about if I do not agree that there is cult of personality to the person of Fr. Pfeiffer  but a gratitude for his leadership that is also recognized by all the priests from the resistance in North America and many others around the world?
     
    What about if I think that there are opportunists trying to have the holophotes of the show over their heads taking advantage of a Fr. Pfeiffer’s assistance (possible) grave faults 12 years ago?  Or even more, trying to sabotage Fr. Pfeiffer leadership because of that? Am I allowed to think like that?
     
    How many people from the resistance would be without the sacraments if it wasn't the hard work of Fr.Pfeiffer?  How many priests and faithful would be in the resistance right now if it wasn't his brave attitude? And you want make me to believe that this fake “Pablo’s gate“ will put me in doubt of his leadership?   And that if I think otherwise I’m worshiping him? It is not a matter of put all our hope in him, I place my hope first in God. I'm grateful for his work, not only because I have a personal benefit of it ( his work has help me to strengthen my faith) but because I can see the good he has done. And that is reality, as Bishop Williamson used to say.
     
    Trying to put in doubt his leadership without serious reasons do not seem to be a balanced attitude. And I would have no fear of saying that not only him but all the priests I had the opportunity to meet in the resistance are holy men. Not in exaggerated way that you pictured, but in the ordinary sense in which we Catholics call those men that we recognize are deeply concerned about the salvation of souls and faithful to their mission.
     
    And more, the fact of been the moderator of this forum and having the knowledge of what happened behind the screen also give you the power to know what happen between “Pablo the Mexican” (can I still say his name in here?)  and his confessor?
     
    Are you that sure that you have always balanced attitudes?  Why did you stand quiet when “Lepanto Again” implied that “Pablo the Mexican”, with no prove whatsoever, was “trying to increase the donations for his benefit” when Pfeiffer’s Ville burned down? What a grave accusation, and the moderator did nothing.
     
    And yes, there is a formation of a “pro“ and “anti“ Fr. Pfeiffer groups, but I have the feeling that it is actually an anti-resistance movement.  I’m sure some of those people in the anti-Fr. Pfeiffer side are doing nothing in the real world but writing in the forums and/or trying to get attention for their websites.
     
      It seems to me that the “hyenas“ are willing to find a place in the resistance.
     
    My best wishes

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    « Reply #51 on: March 08, 2013, 02:00:52 PM »
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  • Besides the excellent posts of suger, there have been several others that are
    key to this topic.  

    The whole thing is growing to a critical mass of evidence against the notorious
    and malevolent Menzingen-denizens.
     There is no longer any 'nice' way to look
    at this...........


    Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
    Quote from: Telesphorus
    Bishop Fellay acts like a freemason, purging opposition to his liberalism remorselessly.

    It's this way of behaving that shows us the true colors of these people.

    It is harder for some people to understand, just going by his words, which are very tricky. (despite some big blunders on occasion)

    However, his associations, and his intolerance for the position of the Archbishop shows his true loyalties, and his inveterate hostility to those who stand with the mission of the Archbishop.


     :applause:


    If we want to be prepared for a conversation, without resorting to emotionalism,
    we need to memorize some key sentences, folks.  

    Do your homework:



    Bp. Fellay acts like a Freemason.

    He remorselessly purges opposition to his LIBERALISM.

    By their works they make their true colors known.

    When you insist on going by his words, you will therefore be decieved.

    Because his words are very tricky.

    Sure, he does make an occasional blunder -- BUT HIS LACKEYS SCAMPER IN
    to cover his trail, doing damage control and backtracking.

    B. Fellay's intolerance for the position of the Archbishop shows his true loyalties.

    His associations show his true loyalties.

    His inveterate hostility toward those who stand with the mission of ABL shows
    his true loyalties.


    &c.....


    Quote from: John Grace
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    Besides praying, it is difficult to see what to do to save the Society from the grip of the banksters.


    Whilst naturally the Fellayites dismissed it as rubbish but a fair point made regarding El Krahgate was what could people do? Many lay folk felt helpless following the information from William of Norwich.

    A point was made though that some conceded they had not questioned enough. They gave Bishop Fellay the benefit of the doubt and still put money in the plate each Sunday. That is for their conscience but not only the SSPX are under the grip of the banksters.

    Given the Gutmann/Rothschild direct involvement in the SSPX, they are in a difficult position and the point is brought home when you see priests expelled.

    It's difficult for Society priests to preach on usury, on Deicide when their society is in the grip of bankers.




    Quote from: Ethelred
    Quote from: John Grace
    The only way forward that I see is to start again with "a loose network of independent pockets of Catholic Resistance, gathered around the Mass, freely contacting one another, but with no structure of false obedience, which served to sink the mainstream Church in the 1960’s and is now sinking the Society of St. Pius X."



    Now that is one wise quote!

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    « Reply #52 on: March 08, 2013, 02:07:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: Guga
    Quote from: Matthew
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    I hope there is room for them in Pfeifferville.


    I hope they are joining the Resistance, yes.

    I suppose right now the Pfeiffer ranch in Kentucky is the best equipped to house Resistance priests as a sort of "Resistance priory". And priests do need the companionship and moral support of fellow priests in their battles with the world. Abp. Lefebvre knew this, which is why he designed the SSPX around Priories.

    But we should all take heed to not place ALL our hopes in Fr. Pfeiffer. He is an excellent priest and his sermons are downright awesome, but he might have fatal flaws like all of us -- for example, being irrationally loyal to a given layman.

    Such could be his undoing. If that happens, we will have to continue to keep the Faith and not give up.

    Remember in Greek mythology, Achilles was dipped in an "invincibility" potion, but they had to hold him by his heel when they dipped him in it. So he was vulnerable in that one spot -- the Achilles' Heel. Guess where he got shot with an arrow?

    Let's not set ourselves up for massive disappointment by treating Fr. Pfeiffer like he's "The One" or something.

    Would he even want that?

    Since this is CathInfo, I have to spell out everything I'm trying to say (and spell out what I'm NOT trying to say).

    What I advocate: Love, support, and attend the Masses of Fr. Pfeiffer. Spread the word about the Resistance, record the sermons of Fr. Pfeiffer and the other Resistance priests, post them online, and encourage people to attend Masses of all the Resistance priests. Support him with volunteer work, money, and prayers.

    What I advise against: Forming a cult of personality around him. Don't worship the man. He's just ONE priest. And though he is very holy, he may yet have flaws. Not even sins, mind you -- just flaws. Like trusting the wrong person, etc.


    Ok, not one, but TWO people had a problem with THIS?

    Ok, I'm sorry. Nix what I said. "We should worship him. In fact, I'm going to cut up my couch where he sat 2 weeks ago and turn the whole thing into 3rd class relics."

    Happy now?

    Seriously, unless that is how you truly feel, how could anyone disagree with my very Catholic, very balanced post (above)?

    I'm asking out of courtesy. You all should know by now that the moderator can see who thumbed up or thumbed down a given post.

    My guess? Someone is voting out of knee-jerk jingoism. They're voting "for the team". Everything comes down to "team colors" -- Pro-Pfeiffer or Anti-Pfeiffer. Every post is distilled down into one of those 2 simplistic camps.

    I'm amazed that Tradition is still a force to be reckoned with at all, with this level of emotionalism and lack of reason displayed.

    Since I advocated not worshipping him, I guess my post is rounded down to Anti-Pfeiffer? (Actually, I would still disagree: Most of my post is about how we should support him wholeheartedly)


    Matthew,

    Why should I be afraid to know that you know I’m the one that gave you thumbs down?  Are you willing to intimidate me because of your moderation authority? Ok my “lord“ I will not disagree with you. Sure!
     
    What about if I do not agree that there is cult of personality to the person of Fr. Pfeiffer  but a gratitude for his leadership that is also recognized by all the priests from the resistance in North America and many others around the world?
     
    What about if I think that there are opportunists trying to have the holophotes of the show over their heads taking advantage of a Fr. Pfeiffer’s assistance (possible) grave faults 12 years ago?  Or even more, trying to sabotage Fr. Pfeiffer leadership because of that? Am I allowed to think like that?
     
    How many people from the resistance would be without the sacraments if it wasn't the hard work of Fr.Pfeiffer?  How many priests and faithful would be in the resistance right now if it wasn't his brave attitude? And you want make me to believe that this fake “Pablo’s gate“ will put me in doubt of his leadership?   And that if I think otherwise I’m worshiping him? It is not a matter of put all our hope in him, I place my hope first in God. I'm grateful for his work, not only because I have a personal benefit of it ( his work has help me to strengthen my faith) but because I can see the good he has done. And that is reality, as Bishop Williamson used to say.
     
    Trying to put in doubt his leadership without serious reasons do not seem to be a balanced attitude. And I would have no fear of saying that not only him but all the priests I had the opportunity to meet in the resistance are holy men. Not in exaggerated way that you pictured, but in the ordinary sense in which we Catholics call those men that we recognize are deeply concerned about the salvation of souls and faithful to their mission.
     
    And more, the fact of been the moderator of this forum and having the knowledge of what happened behind the screen also give you the power to know what happen between “Pablo the Mexican” (can I still say his name in here?)  and his confessor?
     
    Are you that sure that you have always balanced attitudes?  Why did you stand quiet when “Lepanto Again” implied that “Pablo the Mexican”, with no prove whatsoever, was “trying to increase the donations for his benefit” when Pfeiffer’s Ville burned down? What a grave accusation, and the moderator did nothing.
     
    And yes, there is a formation of a “pro“ and “anti“ Fr. Pfeiffer groups, but I have the feeling that it is actually an anti-resistance movement.  I’m sure some of those people in the anti-Fr. Pfeiffer side are doing nothing in the real world but writing in the forums and/or trying to get attention for their websites.
     
      It seems to me that the “hyenas“ are willing to find a place in the resistance.
     
    My best wishes


    Yes I'm the moderator of this discussion forum, which means it's my burden to help teach people how to discuss, how to be logical, how to think.
    (And let's face it -- considering I'm a human being, there are no posts I'll be more interested in than my own. But I do attack illogical statements affecting other members' posts too.)

    Basically, you're giving me a perfect example of the jingoism and team spirit that I was criticizing. You skim my post, guess that it's vaguely "anti-Pfeiffer" and set yourself against it.

    What I'm saying is that you get an F in "reading comprehension".

    How about you judge WHAT I ACTUALLY TYPED and not WHAT YOU INFER from it.

    I never said that Pablo-gate should shatter our trust in Fr. Pfeiffer.

    I never said that Fr. Pfeiffer wasn't brave and a good priest.

    I never said that there was a cult of personality around Fr. Pfeiffer.

    I certainly never raised a false dichotomy of "worship Fr. Pfeiffer" or "lose trust in him over Pablo".

    READ MY POST. Carefully.



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    And yes, there is a formation of a “pro“ and “anti“ Fr. Pfeiffer groups, but I have the feeling that it is actually an anti-resistance movement.  I’m sure some of those people in the anti-Fr. Pfeiffer side are doing nothing in the real world but writing in the forums and/or trying to get attention for their websites.


    1. Fr. Pfeiffer is NOT the resistance. He is a big part of it, but he is not synonymous with it.
    2. Your "feeling" isn't worth anything. "What is gratuitously affirmed can be gratuitously denied."
    3. Even a person who wants nothing to do with Fr. Pfeiffer (personality conflict?) might be fervently pro-resistance. Your opinion is not logical.
    4. You're sure, huh? Guess what!  I know MANY (as in, more than 5) Resistance chapel organizers who are not afraid to criticize Pablo and/or Fr. Pfeiffer. They're just internet warriors hiding behind a keyboard, not doing anything in the real world? How about the exact opposite! We're talking about people who ORGANIZED the Resistance in their local area.


    Anyhow -- my post, as it was written, with no "jumping to conclusions", should have been offensive to NO ONE. It was very carefully worded and written.

    Here's what I want you to do. You can disagree with me (don't worry, I'm not going to ban you), but I want you to QUOTE THE PART OF MY POST YOU DISAGREE WITH.

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  • I find it disturbing that people are throwing the label "mentally ill" at Pablo. This is the same tactic used by scuм like Father Cekada and his ilk to discredit people. No one has the right to classify someone with that label unless they have a Phd in psychology and have performed the appropriate battery of tests. That Phd would then be bound by rules of confidentiality and HIPPA.


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  • When I use that term, I'm merely stating my layman's opinion, based on his publicly-known behavior.

    I'm not appealing to Psychology, I'm appealing to common sense.

    If a man sits in the street in a monkey costume nibbling on concrete, most people will conclude he's not right in the head.


    It doesn't require a PhD in Psychology to make that determination.

    If I were to tell you that I fight crime in my spare time, dressed in spandex, would you be tempted to say I was crazy, or "mentally ill"?

    Fighting crime dressed in spandex, talking about myself like I'm a superhero, is NOT NORMAL. PERIOD. It is not the behavior of a sane individual. That much is not open for debate.

    But with recent events in mind, now I know what would happen. Some people on CathInfo would apparently take issue with that label being applied to me, because I'm such a nice person, I run such a great forum, etc.

    They'd boil it down to "pro-Matthew" and "anti-Matthew" and everyone would fall into 2 camps, with few people being able to distinguish between "Matthew with his good works" and "Matthew and his insanity".

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    From (SSPX) priestly sources who knew and know the family Lovey, we have the information that your mentioned backer who urged Archbishop Lefebvre to consecrate a Swiss-French bishop (number 4), was the Swiss-French lawyer Mr. Lovey.
    I was told Mr. Lovey meant well. Still today we got the mess.


    If I remember correctly Mr. Lovey handled financial affairs in or around Ecône, and was the head of a group of benefactors financially supporting Archbishop Lefebvre.

    To be more precise: Mr. Lovey (on behalf of his group of benefactors) actually bought the entire Econe for Archbishop Lefebvre.

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    Mr. Lovey's son Philippe Lovey was ordained a priest in the SSPX and later was the Swiss district superior. If I remember correctly, today Fr. Philippe Lovey is supporting Bp Fellay's sellout to Newrome, as do nearly all Swiss SSPX priests unfortunately.

    Thank you so much for this key-piece of information, Ethelred!!!!
    I was unable to retrieve the name of the financial backer responsible for this. I do believe too he was a nice person, but was naively manipulated by evil-intended money-lenders. Our Lord was right to chase the banksters out of the temple.

    You're welcome Suger, and thank you for your good informations.


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    Re. ABL, he was in dire need of financial support and had no choice. This is how the banksters got a pull on the Society, as they have pulls on anything they find important in the West.

    Well, the situation is becoming clearer now: After Mr. Lovey bought Ecône for the Archbishop, and then some ~20 years later in 1988 Mr. Lovey urged the Archbishop to consecrate also Fr. Fellay because of the "importance of Switzerland for the SSPX" (quoted according to my sources), I think it's understandable that the good Archbishop could have felt obliged to do so because of what Mr. Lovey did for the society...

    That's no accusation.


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    And this is why +Fellay had to insert Krah into such a position of financial control over the Society, why he always listens to Krah and always protects him.

    Besides praying, it is difficult to see what to do to save the Society from the grip of the banksters.

    The Neo-SSPX is dead.
    Long live the true SSPX, or even better: all faithful Catholics!


    Ecône was purchased in 1968, on 05.31. M. Roger Lovey was not alone, he was with four locals : Alphonse and Marcel Pedrosi, Guy Genoud and Gratien Rausis. The problem is that none of them had a "single penny." They were lucky with the bank which provided a loan for 100% of the price. BUT on the other hand here comes the problem, they had a huge debt and were entirely dependent on banksters to regularly provide enough funds for paying back the loan + interests, otherwise the bank would size the Ecône property... (not to speak of huge amounts of money to be invested in fixing the place, buying stuff, etc.)



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    I find it disturbing that people are throwing the label "mentally ill" at Pablo. This is the same tactic used by scuм like Father Cekada and his ilk to discredit people. No one has the right to classify someone with that label unless they have a Phd in psychology and have performed the appropriate battery of tests. That Phd would then be bound by rules of confidentiality and HIPPA.


    But you don't have issue with calling Fr. Cekada "scuм?"
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • I am sorry Ethelred, I forgot to thank you for your further posts which are also so excellent.

    Back to the dark business of Mammon/MONEY, what gave Roger Lovey a key role in interfacing with the kind of very rich people and with dealing with the property / fund issue, is that he was a lawyer and a notary, unlike the four other swiss locals mentioned above.

    And this is how Roger Lovey got manipulated into pushing for an additional, fourth bishop, a Swiss one... who, seeing how m uch is ruled by MONEY, was set on being the Society's TREASURER...
    It all loops back to same thing : MONEY.

    As John Grace pointed out :

    - there is the issue of the funds, the MONEY of the Israelite familiy...

    - the zionist Krah, the current lawyer in charge of this MONEY stuff

    MONEY, MONEY, MONEY
    POWER, CONTROL, LOBBY...
    the ROOT of ALL EVIL...