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Author Topic: BREAKING: Archbishop Viganò Summoned to Vatican Tribunal on Charge of Schism  (Read 28561 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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This is top notch!!! R&Rers you better start listening to this man. I’m just waiting for him to openly reject Montini onward. I give him leeway, or any one else for that matter, to be iffy on Roncalli, even though I reject him.

I honestly believe he's considering it.  He's dropped some hints, just like I mentioned before he came out regarding the legitimacy of Bergoglio that I felt he was considering it.  He's referred somewhat derisively (in his speech about the Vitium Consensus) to those who believe the problem is just Bergoglio as "Montinians", i.e. those who think Montini through Ratzinger were just fine, and that the problem began with Bergoglio.  Or perhaps it was in his presentation at the Ann Barnhardt conference.  I don't quite remember where he started using the term, but it was meant as his rejection of the core Bennyvacantist principle that implied Bergoglio was the only problem.  He's repeatedly stated that Bergoglio is merely the inevitable metastasis of the Conciliar cancer.  That's why I think the charges of +Vigano being "slippery" are completely false.  He showed up to Barnhardt's conference and largely shot down her position, just as he intended to show up at Michael Matt's conference knowing he would make waves.  Based on those two incidents, I don't believe he'll compromise what he believes for the comfort of his audience .  I just think he hasn't fully made up his mind in terms of coming up with an explanation for how this could have happened.  Perhaps he doesn't feel any sense of urgency to go there right now because, well, those men are dead and are no longer a factor.  In addition, I think he too (like Bergoglio for his nefarious motives) has adopted a tactic of gradually leading the conservative Novus Ordites who will follow back to Tradition.  With that in mind, he couldn't very well go post-Pius-XII SV immediately.  He's taking it one logical step at a time and trying to bring as many as will follow with him back to Tradition.  He didn't want to go from 0 to 60 and then lose 90% of the people who might have otherwise listened to him and taken him seriously.

Offline Meg

This is top notch!!! R&Rers you better start listening to this man.

And what if we don't start listening to him?

I can understand the thrill of having a sedevacantist in the mainstream news - how often does that happen? Never!

We don't have to deny the Pope in order to keep our Catholic faith. Bergolio/Francis isn't going to keep me from practicing the Catholic faith as it should be practiced. God gives us the Pope we deserve, and things must be pretty bad, from God's perspective, to allow a Pope like Bergolio/Francis.


Offline Quo vadis Domine

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And what if we don't start listening to him?

I can understand the thrill of having a sedevacantist in the mainstream news - how often does that happen? Never!

We don't have to deny the Pope in order to keep our Catholic faith. Bergolio/Francis isn't going to keep me from practicing the Catholic faith as it should be practiced. God gives us the Pope we deserve, and things must be pretty bad, from God's perspective, to allow a Pope like Bergolio/Francis.

A pope is commissioned by Christ to confirm his brethren in the Faith. A Catholic is one who professes the True Faith, as defined by Pope Pius XII. Your “pope”, Bergoglio, does neither of those things. He is not a Catholic and thus cannot be the head of that of which he’s not a member of.

The reason I say: ‘you better start listening to him’, is because your erroneous position will eventually lead to your demise. This is not fun and games Meg, this is a serious affair in which your immortal soul is at stake. When we get a true pope, are you going to listen to him and obediently follow his teachings or will you continue to follow your own caprice, sifting through and questioning his teachings, as you do with your current “pope” Bergoglio? 

Offline Quo vadis Domine

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I honestly believe he's considering it.  He's dropped some hints, just like I mentioned before he came out regarding the legitimacy of Bergoglio that I felt he was considering it.  He's referred somewhat derisively (in his speech about the Vitium Consensus) to those who believe the problem is just Bergoglio as "Montinians", i.e. those who think Montini through Ratzinger were just fine, and that the problem began with Bergoglio.  Or perhaps it was in his presentation at the Ann Barnhardt conference.  I don't quite remember where he started using the term, but it was meant as his rejection of the core Bennyvacantist principle that implied Bergoglio was the only problem.  He's repeatedly stated that Bergoglio is merely the inevitable metastasis of the Conciliar cancer.  That's why I think the charges of +Vigano being "slippery" are completely false.  He showed up to Barnhardt's conference and largely shot down her position, just as he intended to show up at Michael Matt's conference knowing he would make waves.  Based on those two incidents, I don't believe he'll compromise what he believes for the comfort of his audience .  I just think he hasn't fully made up his mind in terms of coming up with an explanation for how this could have happened.  Perhaps he doesn't feel any sense of urgency to go there right now because, well, those men are dead and are no longer a factor.  In addition, I think he too (like Bergoglio for his nefarious motives) has adopted a tactic of gradually leading the conservative Novus Ordites who will follow back to Tradition.  With that in mind, he couldn't very well go post-Pius-XII SV immediately.  He's taking it one logical step at a time and trying to bring as many as will follow with him back to Tradition.  He didn't want to go from 0 to 60 and then lose 90% of the people who might have otherwise listened to him and taken him seriously.

Yes, I agree.

Offline Meg

The reason I say: ‘you better start listening to him’, is because your erroneous position will eventually lead to your demise. 

So, not becoming a sedevacantist will lead to my demise. This is cult thinking. It reminds me of the Charismatics, who believe that speaking in tongues is the only authentic form of Catholicism. You believe the same about sedevacantism, in that it is the only authentic form of Catholicism at this time, isn't that correct? Both Sedevacantism and Charismaticism are novelties; the precepts of which are not a part of the Deposit of Faith. 

+Vigano is leading you and others into error. That's your choice. I do not have to choose it.