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So the absurd Bennyvacantist dopes are trying to judge the internal forum, claiming that Jorge meant it but that Ratzinger really didn't.

What you repeatedly fail to understand is that the judgment of the internal forum BASED on the acts presented in the external forum is what constitutes the basis for a human judgment on the formal sin of heresy.

Offline Ladislaus

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What you repeatedly fail to understand is that the judgment of the internal forum BASED on the acts presented in the external forum is what constitutes the basis for a human judgment on the formal sin of heresy.

It's all subjectivist nonsense.  "It's clearly from [magical "indicia"] that Jorge really means it, but Ratzinger didn't."  It can't get more absurd.

This is subjectivist nonsense based on the fact that Jorge is a more flamboyant and open heretic.

But, if anything it's the other way around.  Unlike Jorge, Ratzinger is no dummy.  He knows exactly what he's saying and he knows very well he's contradicting florence, whereas Jorge is an intellectual pygmy by comparison to Ratzinger and could be excused with ignorance or plain stupidity.  Ratzinger knew what he was doing, knew that it contradicted Florence, and repeatedly taught it anway.


It's all subjectivist nonsense.  "It's clearly from [magical "indicia"] that Jorge really means it, but Ratzinger didn't."  It can't get more absurd.

This is subjectivist nonsense based on the fact that Jorge is a more flamboyant and open heretic.

But, if anything it's the other way around.  Unlike Jorge, Ratzinger is no dummy.  He knows exactly what he's saying and he knows very well he's contradicting florence, whereas Jorge is an intellectual pygmy by comparison to Ratzinger and could be excused with ignorance or plain stupidity.  Ratzinger knew what he was doing, knew that it contradicted Florence, and repeatedly taught it anway.

Joseph Ratzinger's hermeneutic of continuity, which defined his pontificate, is strong evidence that he had no intention of breaking with the Church's teachings that must be believed with Divine and Catholic Faith.  Therefore, pertinacity, which constitutes the form of the sin of heresy, is difficult to demonstrate with moral certitude.

Joseph Ratzinger's hermeneutic of continuity, which defined his pontificate, is strong evidence that he had no intention of breaking with the Church's teachings that must be believed with Divine and Catholic Faith.  Therefore, pertinacity, which constitutes the form of the sin of heresy, is difficult to demonstrate with moral certitude.

Ratzinger/Benedict XVI was a pre-conciliar theologian. This means that the did serious studies. I think that it is highly creative to imagine that he did not know that he was proposing and teaching things that were contrary to the faith.

He was highly intelligent and qualified. He knew very well what he was doing.

When we read the Moral Theology manuals, we see that the requirements for mortal sin are not so high. You don't have to have a deep moral knowledge to commit a mortal sin. Yet, when some people talk about conciliar Popes and heresy, the bar is set so high that it is almost possible to say that Luther was not a heretic.

Possibly excluding John XXIII, all of the conciliar Popes heard repeated warnings that they were going against the Faith, yet, they all continued on their wicked ways. Can they be excused? I honestly don't see how it is possible.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Therefore, pertinacity, which constitutes the form of the sin of heresy, is difficult to demonstrate with moral certitude.
:facepalm:  Only the church can decide pertinacity, in regards to formal/sinful heresy.  Even Martin Luther was given a trial by the Church. 

Your arm-chair decisions against Francis, and for Benedict, have no moral certitude what.so.ever. 

The idea that keep pushing, that catholics can decide the heretical status of the pope (or anyone) is protestant-like "interpretation".

p.s.  The openness/flamboyance of Francis vs the quiet/stealth-ness of Benedict are irrelevant to heresy.  (No one was more flamboyant in error than JP2...I assume you're to young to remember).  Crafty/subtle heresy is just as damning as Loud/proud heresy.  John23/Benedict are the former.  Paul6/JP2/Francis are the later.