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Author Topic: BREAKING: Archbishop Viganò Summoned to Vatican Tribunal on Charge of Schism  (Read 28611 times)

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“If the heresy and its pertinacity are manifest or at least apparent without evidence to the contrary, then private individuals have the right to prudently judge privately and state their private opinions in a prudent manner even in public; but as private individuals they may not presume to judge in any official capacity. It is because the loss of office takes place ex natura hæresis, according to divine law, and therefore takes place independently of any ecclesiastical law or act of jurisdiction, that the individual has the right in conscience to form an opinion even before a judgment is pronounced by Church authority."
Kramer, Paul. To deceive the elect: The catholic doctrine on the question of a heretical Pope. Kindle Edition.


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“The word ‘manifest’ means, ‘clear or obvious to the eye or mind’. If not only the matter of heresy is clearly manifest, but the conscious and wilful profession of ‘a doctrine that immediately, directly, and contradictorily opposes the truths revealed by God and authentically set forth as such by the Church,’ is patently obvious to the mind, then the person who professes it may be judged by others to be a heretic, even without a juridical pronouncement of the Church, since no one needs any official declaration to be made in order to form a judgment of opinion on a matter that by its very nature is already ‘clear or obvious to the eye or mind’. The proposition that one is not a manifest heretic until an ecclesiastical judge pronounces that one is a manifest heretic is absurd on its face, since by the very fact that the heresy is manifest, it is already ‘clear or obvious to the eye or mind’ before any judgment is pronounced; yet this is precisely the silliness that John Salza and Robert Siscoe maintain in their rabid legalism. However, it is clearly the doctrine of the Catholic faith that if a person is a manifest heretic, then it is manifest that heresy has suapte natura severed that one from the body of the Church, and if he is a holder of ecclesiastical office, he has ipso jure automatically lost office and all habitual or ordinary jurisdiction ex natura hæresis, before any sentence is pronounced by the Church. Since the loss of office for public defection from the faith was prescribed in the 1917 Code to take place ipso facto and ‘without any declaration’, and it remains that way in the 1983 Code; it is absurd for anyone to claim that the faithful must wait for a declaration from Church authorities before judging in conscience on an ipso jure loss of office that takes place ‘without any declaration’; and that until a judgment be pronounced by competent authority, they need to and must remain subject to a heretic pope and to a vast portion of the hierarchy who have visibly expelled themselves from the body of the Church; while those pastors who remain faithful, and who are competent to judge, are either too blind or too frightened to speak.”
Kramer, Paul. To Deceive the Elect: The Catholic Doctrine on the Question of a Heretical Pope (Kindle Locations 11174-11182). Kindle Edition.


Offline Pax Vobis

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Here you go again stating that only the Church can judge one guilty of sin.
In regards to the sin of heresy, yes, only the Church can judge this, by a formal investigation.  Everyone else can judge that a person is WRONG or in ERROR. 

Offline Meg

You don't know what you are writing about.  Leaving aside latae sententiae excommunication for heresy, only the Church can judge in a canonical trial that one is guilty of the DELICT of heresy and impose that judgment on the consciences of the faithful.  HOWEVER, that Church judgment must be based on the SIN of heresy.  If there is no sin, there can be no delict.  Whether one has committed the SIN of heresy is determined by his external acts of heresy.  These external acts can be observed AND be judged as a SIN by anyone IF there is sufficient evidence to attain moral certitude.  In this case, it would be a private judgment that cannot be imposed on another under pain of sin.  HOWEVER, if the other becomes convinced of the same, then his own conscience would bind him.

Yes, the Church judges that one is guilty of the delict (crime) of heresy, as is stated in the Vatican's online "norms regarding delicts reserved to the congregation for the doctrine of the faith."

This docuмent, in Art 1 and 2, states, "The delicts against the Faith mentioned in art. 1 are for heresy, apostasy, and schism, according to the norms of Cann. 751, 1364, CIC, and cann. 1436 and 1437 CCEO."

I couldn't find anywhere in this docuмent which states that (as you state above) that "If there is no sin, there is no heresy." Nor could I find where it states that "these external acts can be observed and judged as sin by anyone IF there is sufficient evidence to attain moral certitude," I also couldn't find anything about one's conscience being binding if one is convinced of the same.

Norms regarding delicts reserved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (11 October 2021) (vatican.va)

The above link probably won't work, since I've not been able to copy any Vatican online docuмents, but I provide the link so that the title can be searched for.