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These are simply false accusations. The SSPX is I'm sure a fine organization.  However, they hardly own some patent on Tradition.  There is a variety of adherence to Tradition (and rejection of Conciliarism, including modernism in general) among the various Ecclesia Dei groups and individuals, not to mention other trads.  It's not a monochrome.  The excerpts above reveal quite a bit of ignorance.  The text above also assumes quite a bit from someone not in a position to make such broad judgments about people he doesn't know.  

Tradition is not a Zero Sum game.

ETA:  I'm not referring to posters here.

Yes, it is monochrome, binary, black or white.

There IS a Crisis in the Church. There IS a false pope trying to destroy the Church (or even a lack of pope, according to some) and a ton of Churchmen not doing their jobs to protect the Faith. Lots of Modernists in the highest places in Rome, including the hierarchy and even the Papacy.

There are only TWO paths:

Resisting this (Tradition)
Going along with it (Novus Ordo, pseudo-Tradition, etc.)

That's why I say the Indult is NOT Traditional, properly speaking. I allow Indult-goers on CathInfo, because not everyone knows or understands fully, and PEOPLE (not ideas) need to be given some slack. Also, they are Catholic (since they are obviously interested in, and are practicing, the Catholic Faith) even if misguided. It's not my place to excommunicate.

But talking about the position, strictly speaking an Indult or "approved by Rome" Latin Mass-going Catholic is NOT a Traditionalist. They are a conservative Catholic.

Why?

Because there is a cardinal rule for the Traditional Movement, and Indult-goers deny or violate this rule:

There is a Crisis in the Church (caused by infiltration of Modernism and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ into the Church), and the highest law of the Church ("The Salvation of Souls") demands that we save our souls and keep the Faith; hence we have the right to doubt-free priests and doubt-free sacraments, and a right to the timeless Mass of St. Pius V, along with all the Catholic doctrines, practices, and morality that goes along with it. To this end, we Trads have a right and a duty to set up independent (outside the authority and jurisdiction of Rome) chapels, Mass centers, seminaries, etc. with the Church supplying ALL necessary jurisdiction for Mass, confession, marriages, and ordination.


If you disagree with that mission statement for the Traditional Movement, you're not a Trad, PERIOD. At least strictly speaking. You might be conservative, you might like smells and bells, but if you don't believe in being aloof from Rome and the right of Tradition to exist without special permission, you're NOT a Trad.

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Good answer, Matthew.

It is a pleasure to know this forum is run by someone with his head screwed on straight.

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Yes, he sure speaks for me in that last post.

The the point of this thread - the OP is credible because +Fellay wants to make a deal, it's just a matter of what price he is willing to pay. One minute it seems he has lost sight of why the SSPX even exists, the next minute it seems he sees clear why it exists. This waffling is the warning beacon that if he does not stop this waffling and take a firm stand against the NO, merging into the new church is going to happen.

That he takes no firm stand against a determinedly subversive Rome compels us to be immediately suspicious, and that is the way we must remain unless he makes a firm stand against the new church. The longer this goes on, the closer to him making a deal we get.

St. Philip Neri said "the coward is the victor when he flees temptation," +Fellay needs to flee because he cannot make a deal and call that a win, and he needs to flee now.