Author Topic: BREAKING! SSPX receives agreement from Rome - Bp. Fellay considering it (Read 59072 times)

Meg · « **Reply #40 on:** November 15, 2015, 07:42:15 PM »

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

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Something for Bp. Fellay to consider: if Francis manages to change Church teaching, under the guise of 'pastoral practice,' then what will keep the SSPX priests (if they reconcile) from being forced to give Holy Communion to anyone who approaches the altar, such as the divorced and remarried, homo, and other living-in-sin Catholics? I've no doubt that Francis will try to allow these unrepentant Catholics to receive communion, if he can possibly find a way to do so.

Or reject the speedy 45 days annulments?

Yeah, that too. Maybe I'm over-reacting, but it would seem to me that if the SSPX, after reconciliation, were to refuse to give Holy Communion to anyone who asks for it, then it could be grounds for reprimand of some kind. I already worry that this might happen to the Ecclesia Dei communities, too, if Francis has his way. Though maybe he won't get away with it just yet. I dunno.

ihsv · « **Reply #41 on:** November 15, 2015, 07:52:56 PM »

This is possible for only one of the following 2 reasons:

a) the modernists have stopped opposing Catholicism and have converted, or
b) the Catholics have stopped opposing modernism and have surrendered.

"No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." (Matthew 6:24)

"Bear not the yoke with unbelievers. For what participation hath justice with injustice? Or what fellowship hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God; as God saith: I will dwell in them, and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore, Go out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing: And I will receive you; and I will be a Father to you; and you shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." (2 Corinthians 6:14-18)

"A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment." (Titus 3:10-11)

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #42 on:** November 15, 2015, 08:08:22 PM »

Quote from: Meg

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
Quote from: Meg
Something for Bp. Fellay to consider: if Francis manages to change Church teaching, under the guise of 'pastoral practice,' then what will keep the SSPX priests (if they reconcile) from being forced to give Holy Communion to anyone who approaches the altar, such as the divorced and remarried, homo, and other living-in-sin Catholics? I've no doubt that Francis will try to allow these unrepentant Catholics to receive communion, if he can possibly find a way to do so.

Or reject the speedy 45 days annulments?

Yeah, that too. Maybe I'm over-reacting, but it would seem to me that if the SSPX, after reconciliation, were to refuse to give Holy Communion to anyone who asks for it, then it could be grounds for reprimand of some kind. I already worry that this might happen to the Ecclesia Dei communities, too, if Francis has his way. Though maybe he won't get away with it just yet. I dunno.

Americans accounted for about half of the nearly 50,000 annulments granted in 2012, the latest year for which statistics are available. Beginning the “year of mercy”, Dec. 8th, they will be granted in 45 days and free, except for a nominal fee for administrative costs. How many do you think will be granted during 12/2015 - 12/2016? Even if they denied Communion to the divorced and remarried, they can get their “mercy” annulment in 45 days and get back in line. Then what?

ubipetrus · « **Reply #43 on:** November 15, 2015, 08:44:27 PM »

As they say, "the devil is in the details," and one must pray that Bp. Fellay and company discern that "devil" in the details among those remaining "issues" they still need to work out. Otherwise, that plastic "red hat" they give him may prove to be the most costly plastic hat in all of human history.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #44 on:** November 15, 2015, 08:47:47 PM »

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Just more hearsay. Anyone can make up anything thing they want. Does not mean what they say holds water. I, from my computer here, could say anything I want about bishop Fellay and many of you would believe it, even if it was not true.

Given the 4 or 5 sources from three different locations all pointing to an imminent agreement, I'd say it's more than worth passing the idea around for the sake of conversation (this is a discussion forum, after all).

This is the part I find least believable:

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Yes there are a lot of Resistance supporters and strong opponents of a practical agreement with Conciliar Rome "within" the SSPX - priests as well as laymen. I am pretty sure that you are aware of that fact. "We" are waiting for the upcoming agreement and then we will split.

I'm sure this person is speaking accurately of their own plans, but I find it hard to believe that there will be any sizable number fitting this description.