Author Topic: BREAKING! SSPX receives agreement from Rome - Bp. Fellay considering it (Read 53302 times)

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #150 on:** February 21, 2016, 08:50:09 PM »

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Maybe Pope Francis has agreed to be validly consecrated.....

Now THERE'S a pipe dream if I've ever heard one.

It's not beyond the pale to question whether he really believes that episcopal consecrations per se are anything to be concerned with. Remember: "Who am I to judge?" If he thought he had been validly consecrated or that a valid consecration makes any difference at all, he would never have asked about his ability to judge something regarding faith or morals like he did there.

I asked a good priest if anyone knows: Who is Pope Francis' confessor? And his response floored me. But it woke me up.

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Pope Pius XII confessor was Fr. Bea, who was raised to a Cardinal by
JXXIII. He was the prime mover of Vatican 2. He was also a German Jєω.
See what Wikipedia says about him:

Impact and legacy[edit]

Bea was highly influential at the Vatican II Council in the 1960s as a decisive force in the drafting of Nostra aetate, which repudiated anti-Semitism. In 1963, he held secret talks with Abraham Joshua Heschel, promoting Catholic-Jєωιѕн dialogue.[3] John Borelli, a Vatican II historian, has observed that, "It took the will of John XXIII and the perseverance of Cardinal Bea to impose the declaration on the Council".[4] During a session of the Central Preparatory Commission, he also rejected the proposition that the Council Fathers take an oath composed of the Nicene Creed and the Anti-Modernist Oath.[5] After Alfredo Ottaviani, the heavily conservative head of the Holy Office, presented his draft of the schema on the sources of Divine Revelation, Bea claimed that it "would close the door to intellectual Europe and the outstretched hands of friendship in the old and new world".[6] He served on numerous ecuмenical bodies and was the author of nine works, including The Church and the Jєωιѕн People (New York: Harper & Row, 1966).

Bea was a confessor to Pope Pius XII for a short time. The encyclical Divino afflante Spiritu was very much shaped by Bea and Jacques-Marie Voste, O.P. (secretary of the Pontifical Biblical Commission).[7][8]

When Pius XII proposed appointing Bea to the College of Cardinals in 1946, Superior General Jean-Baptiste Janssens spoke out against it, as many felt the Holy See was showing preferential treatment to the Jesuits.[9] He had for some time, among his theological advisers, Jesuit priest Malachi Martin.[10] Among the other offices, Bea was a consultor to several Roman congregations.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #151 on:** February 21, 2016, 09:32:22 PM »

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Quote from: obscurus
Waiting for it to be verified....

If true, then it shows the SSPX's utter lack of understanding of the Crisis! Archbishop Lefebvre will be relegated to the nostalgic bin where his memory will be venerated of course but where his doctrine (nothing other than Catholic doctrine) will be more or less forgotten.

Did you see what happened to Bishop De Castro Mayer after the Campos priests made a deal? Their websites were purged of any memory of him. Their faithful think that he went schismatic at the end. His tomb is in a church kept by the third order Carmelites, whom he strengthened greatly in his diocese. The Campos priests do not visit his tomb or pray for him on the Commemoration of the Faithful Departed.

That isn't right. In our area, they name school after sinful bishops.

May Bishop de Castro Mayer RIP.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #152 on:** February 21, 2016, 09:38:57 PM »

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Quote from: obscurus
Waiting for it to be verified....

If true, then it shows the SSPX's utter lack of understanding of the Crisis! Archbishop Lefebvre will be relegated to the nostalgic bin where his memory will be venerated of course but where his doctrine (nothing other than Catholic doctrine) will be more or less forgotten.

Imagine ''Pope'' Francis going on a statement to say during the ceremonial of SSPX-Vatican II reconciliation:

"+Lefebvre was a Bishop of the Catholic Church who loved the Church Tradition, loved the Old Mass, loved the old buildings and he was scared of the revolutions. But as we've learned my dear brothers, the changes were for the better of the Church, the Vatican II was a Council of love and teaching, the Council tried to imitate [sic] the life of Our Lord and preach to everyone, no one should be considered outside the Church. +Lefebvre was a man who was very obedient to the Pope and the Holy Spirit assisted the Church during this sad time of separation. "

"Dear brothers, lesbians, gαys, and every heretic that is hearing us: I'm so happy the good and soldier of Christ Archbishop Lefebvre have united back with the Catholic Church, the eternal and loving Rome which loves all."

Note: these people, theologians and priests who are going to write books about +Lefebvre were quiet for the past 25 years if not long, they will only write as long as Francis say anything good about +Lefebvre. Even if "a good thing" means Francis making a joke about +Lefebvre. Also these theologians and priests are going to write about +Lefebvre so they will be regarded as "priests friends of Tradition" by the layman.

There are many many many theologians waiting for this opportunity put a seal on the question "Vatican II was a Council of the Church" and "Vatican II must be interpreted in the light of Tradition".

I'm sorry but I don't remember Pope Francis talking about St John Neumann or even St Katherine Drexel. He won't even mention Archbishop Lefebvre.

Now Pope Francis will talk Abe anti Catholic Lincoln, Mlk, Dorothy Day and Thomas Merton.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #153 on:** February 21, 2016, 09:46:55 PM »

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Someone looking for a quick read might not make it to the summary at the bottom:

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Quote from: Matthew, quoting TrueTrad,

11. Do you see the pattern of Rome's gameplan?

By reading the above list of compromised organizations, a pattern is clearly seen.

An organization either begins with a "compromise mentality", or else develops one (such as the SSPX leadership, many priests, and many faithful are now doing!)

This mentality progresses into the desire to be in "full communion" with Rome even if it means concessions on important matters. The organization's leaders develop an overconfidence in their ability to defend against the crushing power of modernist Rome, as well as a misplaced trust in Rome's sincerity. They forget the last 20 years of history.

An agreement is made. Concessions are made by the organization.

There is a waiting period before Rome does anything. Rome is patient. It might be 10 years!

Demands begin to be made. Changes. A backing down from the former "hardliner" stance. New leadership is put in. The new leaders lack the spirit of the founders. Softening on condemnations of the errors of Vatican II, the New Mass, etc.

The organization begins to lose its focus, zeal, and begins to crumble.

Eventually there will is very little substantial difference between it and the New Church.

We hope that you see this pattern, because Pope Benedict and the modernist hierachy certainly do! In his March 10, 2009 letter to the world’s bishops, the pope stated:

"I myself saw, in the years after 1988, how the return of communities which had been separated from Rome changed their interior attitudes; I saw how returning to the bigger and broader Church enabled them to move beyond one-sided positions and broke down rigidity so that positive energies could emerge for the whole." (read the article on the Vatican website)

Again: We at TrueTrad believe the root cause of all of this weakness and foolishness by these "traditionalist" organizations is the compromise mentality". We trads either simply forget that Rome has not and will not change its Modernism. We forget what we are fighting for, and/or fail to teach our children the situation we are in.

Eventually, we let Rome's patience win: "I must finally give in on some (important) points, in order to convince Rome to 'let me back into the Church'."

Eventually, we let Rome's patience win: "I must finally give in on some (important) points, in order to convince Rome to 'let me back into the Church'."

Isn't that the essence of GREC in the first place?!?!

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TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #154 on:** February 21, 2016, 09:47:48 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

That isn't right. In our area, they name school after sinful bishops.

Which is worse: being an alumnus of Rampolla High or Bugnini Academy?

Maybe Miss Bernadin's Day School for Girls?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #155 on:** February 21, 2016, 09:54:09 PM »

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Now Pope Francis will talk Abe (anti Catholic) Lincoln, Mlk, Dorothy Day and Thomas Merton.

Thomas Merton. HAHAHAHAHA

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Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #156 on:** February 21, 2016, 10:19:44 PM »

Seriously, during his visit to America , the Pope mentions creepy Abe Lincoln, dorothy Day, Mlk and Thomas Merton....

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #157 on:** February 22, 2016, 12:26:55 AM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

Seriously, during his visit to America , the Pope mentions creepy Abe Lincoln, dorothy Day, Mlk and Thomas Merton....

I once knew a Novus Ordo priest who rubbed me the wrong way and I couldn't put my finger on the problem, until I attended one of his lectures. He was giving a mission, supposedly on the sacraments, but when I attended I found out it was a promo job for encouraging us to read Merton. He spoke of Merton with glowing terms as though he was profound or whatever. I only needed about 1/2 hour of that garbage before I walked out and had no more quandary to cope with. It all adds up.

That was about 25 years ago.

Wessex · « **Reply #158 on:** February 22, 2016, 06:18:40 AM »

To be honest I do not know what these modern priests are; their function in life. They seem to have found a comfortable place where they can indulge their own personal appetites to those bothered to listen. They may play around with Christian themes but that is cover for displaying a rather strange way of life and a range of personality problems. A psychological retreat, in fact. A church containing so many of of this kind is in deep trouble!

clare · « **Reply #159 on:** February 22, 2016, 08:19:53 AM »

I wish there were a way of automatically removing the word "BREAKING!" from headlines after a certain amount of time has elapsed!

Ladislaus · « **Reply #160 on:** February 22, 2016, 08:31:23 AM »

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As a matter of fact, it's practically a done deal already.

And based on what do you say this? Is there new information or is this just speculation (based on connecting various dots of information)?

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #161 on:** February 22, 2016, 09:09:44 AM »

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Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
Seriously, during his visit to America , the Pope mentions creepy Abe Lincoln, dorothy Day, Mlk and Thomas Merton....

I once knew a Novus Ordo priest who rubbed me the wrong way and I couldn't put my finger on the problem, until I attended one of his lectures. He was giving a mission, supposedly on the sacraments, but when I attended I found out it was a promo job for encouraging us to read Merton. He spoke of Merton with glowing terms as though he was profound or whatever. I only needed about 1/2 hour of that garbage before I walked out and had no more quandary to cope with. It all adds up.

That was about 25 years ago.

Thanks to Pope Francis, Merton is making a come back. They want to make Dorothy Day and Thomas Merton saints. Did Merton have affair with woman and even fathered child. He even wrote books on zen and buddism.

It seems that NO is into hippies and free love. Merton wrote articles dorothy days Newspaper. She had a good gig going on.

No wonder Pope didn't make time to go to
Katherine Drexel's shrine.

Wessex · « **Reply #162 on:** February 23, 2016, 06:06:15 AM »

Generally, Rome is behind the times in terms of following trends. Thus, the modernism and progressive thought she now pursues is of yesterday. Free love in the world has now become perverted love and Rome will take a decade or two to embrace this. Hippies have now become technology freaks in a permanent state of childhood. It is hard to imagine how any religious entity could penetrate their electronic bedrooms!

My brother keeps reminding me what the Vatican is au fait with though is the drug culture, money laundering and the concealment of clerical abuse of minors. Maybe a naivety towards cultural change is a cover for some very questionable activities!