Author Topic: BREAKING! SSPX receives agreement from Rome - Bp. Fellay considering it (Read 59270 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #140 on:** November 19, 2015, 08:52:47 PM »

Quote from: Arvinger

OK, lets suppose Bishop Fellay will sign a deal. I wonder how it would play out within the SSPX. I attend the SSPX chapel in England and I got to know number of SSPX priests in Britain - there are no signs of any surrender here, all of them strongly condemn Vatican II and current course of the Church (last Sunday sermon was about errors and dangerous statements in Relatio from the Synod, two weeks ago our priest condemned religious liberty as a heresy which will lead millions of souls to hell). I am sure that if a deal compromising the faith will be signed they will not go for it, they won't compromise the faith and won't let the work of Archbishop Lefebvre to be destroyed. However, if a deal itself will be good (no strings attached, no compromise on doctrine) but modernist Rome will try to destroy the SSPX later (as they did to many other traditionalist groups after signing deals), it might be a more difficult situation.

Since you're in Britain, have you been reading The Recusant?
Have you been to any of the Resistance Masses organized by that group?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #141 on:** November 19, 2015, 08:56:24 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: Ladislaus
So the "facts" are already being double-guessed, eh?

If it's been sitting there that long, there must be something in there that they really need to think through.

Perhaps they are waiting on the real results (ie. Francis' final comments) of the Synod. If Francis allows divorced ad remarried to receive communion, they don't sign. If he does, they do.

Could you perhaps have meant to say:

Perhaps they are waiting on the real results (i.e., Francis' final comments) of the Synod. If Francis allows divorced and remarried to receive communion, they don't sign. If he does not allow it, they do. (?)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #142 on:** November 19, 2015, 09:19:37 PM »

Quote from: Prayerful

Did Matthew encounter (a great Novus Ordo word) any update on what he mentioned in his opening post? Thank you in advance.

Just go back a few pages:

Post

Quote from: Matthew

I got an update today:

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Dear Matthew,

[An] update from Switzerland and a correction:

Apparently the agreement proposal was sent to Menzingen this past summer. There are contradictory statements about the date. But it seems to be a fact now that the proposal has been on the table for quite a bit longer than "a few days".

+Fellay will [wait to?] decide on the proposal until the end of 2015.

Unfortunately there is currently no information about the content of the proposal.

P.S.: As you can see, SSPX leaders are already in confusion. Fr. Schmidberger confirmed at Gloria TV the receiving of a proposal. I assume Menzingen is not very happy about the crappy communication. Bye-bye "one voice" strategy...

Matthew · « **Reply #143 on:** November 19, 2015, 10:38:42 PM »

I should have said something earlier --

Please take the Sede debate to the Crisis subforum. It is not on-topic for this thread.

2Vermont · « **Reply #144 on:** November 20, 2015, 04:23:06 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: 2Vermont
Quote from: Ladislaus
So the "facts" are already being double-guessed, eh?

If it's been sitting there that long, there must be something in there that they really need to think through.

Perhaps they are waiting on the real results (ie. Francis' final comments) of the Synod. If Francis allows divorced ad remarried to receive communion, they don't sign. If he does, they do.

Could you perhaps have meant to say:

Perhaps they are waiting on the real results (i.e., Francis' final comments) of the Synod. If Francis allows divorced and remarried to receive communion, they don't sign. If he does not allow it, they do. (?)

Yes, thank you. Sorry about that. I think the fingers were working faster than the mind.