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Quote from: Mark 79

Quote from: Pax Vobis

As someone already pointed out, a big problem with the sspx is that once a deal is made, all the property changes hands, (this happens even if they are given the utmost independence and, from a "Faith" standpoint it's not a dangerous deal).  So all the hard work, time, money, etc that was put into these chapels (and is still being put into them) goes to Rome and/or your local Bishop.  I know many people have been harping on this for years, but it's troubling that the society owns all the property (and made a concerted effort to get their hands on it).  

On the negative side, if the deal is "bad" and people have to stop going to mass where they've always gone, then many people will be back to having mass in hotel rooms.  This isn't wrong, it will just be a big sacrifice.  Even if 99% of the priests and laity join the "resistance" overnight, all the property will be gone and into the hands of Rome.  Surely, God will provide, and surely, this type of persecution will bring many graces, but traditional catholics are in for a wild ride if any deal happens, just from a material standpoint alone.

Kyrie Elieson!

True on every point (except for those chapels where the laity were prescient enough to keep property title in the hands of the laity).

I would like to add this—Whether it is in our lifetimes or not, we know exactly where this is going. Our Blessed Mother warned us that eventually we would have only her Rosary and scapular. Perhaps we are closing in on that time sooner than we would want.

Actually, not true on every point, nor universally true throughout the Church.  In the United States, Religious Orders can and do incorporate property outside of the jurisdiction of the diocese.  How church property is owned or incorporated also varies from State to State.  These days, there are very few churches which do not have their origin as a property of the diocese, but some do exist that were erected as a property of a religious order. Aside from some Monasteries, St. Mary's in Annapolis MD is an example of a parish started in the 18th Century by the Redemptorists and remaining a Redemptorist property.

There were also terms, both in 1988 and in 2012, granting 'recognition' of the friends of the Society, like Silver City, whose property the Society does not necessarily own or control.

I am sure this is a significantly sensitive point for +Fellay in considering any proposal. I would bet a lobster dinner that he would hold out for property rights as a part of any deal. Remember, he was the bursar.

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