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Offline Matthew

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BREAKING! SSPX receives agreement from Rome - Bp. Fellay considering it
« Reply #130 on: November 19, 2015, 10:08:12 AM »
Indeed, they are far from well-informed or right on the button, as evidenced by confusion such as this:

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This also explains why a number of clerics have left the SSPX in order to found the “Resistance”, otherwise known as the SSPX-Marian Corps or SSPX of the Strict Observance (including such prominent names as Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, Fr. Francois Chazal, and Bp. Richard Williamson).


The SSPX-Marian Corps is the name for TWO priests (Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko) at their Boston, KY headquarters. Fr. Chazal is no longer with them.

What percent of the Resistance do they represent? 3%? Maybe as high as 5%?

I like how they put Fr. Pfeiffer's name first. They are obviously big time Internet media consumers, with minds that are easily led.


Offline Matthew

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« Reply #131 on: November 19, 2015, 10:12:31 AM »
And what they proffer as evidence that "the SSPX is a living contradiction", I would merely point out as two distortions of the same virtue.

Of course you have people leaning more towards the recognize, and more towards the resist. Just like some people violate this or that virtue to excess or to defect.

We're talking about human beings here.

If anything, the fact that some SSPX leave to join the Conciliar Church and others leave to become sedevacantist shows how well-balanced the SSPX position is.

Some people practice false obedience (excess, such as obeying a command to commit murder) or disobedience (defect, or not following a legitimate command). The same with all the other virtues.

There is always a "not enough" and "too far" for ANY correct position out there.

How about private ownership of property?  There is laissez-faire capitalism (the 1%ers) on the excess end, and Communism on the defect end.


Offline BJ5

BREAKING! SSPX receives agreement from Rome - Bp. Fellay considering it
« Reply #132 on: November 19, 2015, 10:30:59 AM »
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Quote from: Pax Vobis
As someone already pointed out, a big problem with the sspx is that once a deal is made, all the property changes hands, (this happens even if they are given the utmost independence and, from a "Faith" standpoint it's not a dangerous deal).  So all the hard work, time, money, etc that was put into these chapels (and is still being put into them) goes to Rome and/or your local Bishop.  I know many people have been harping on this for years, but it's troubling that the society owns all the property (and made a concerted effort to get their hands on it).  

On the negative side, if the deal is "bad" and people have to stop going to mass where they've always gone, then many people will be back to having mass in hotel rooms.  This isn't wrong, it will just be a big sacrifice.  Even if 99% of the priests and laity join the "resistance" overnight, all the property will be gone and into the hands of Rome.  Surely, God will provide, and surely, this type of persecution will bring many graces, but traditional catholics are in for a wild ride if any deal happens, just from a material standpoint alone.

Kyrie Elieson!


True on every point (except for those chapels where the laity were prescient enough to keep property title in the hands of the laity).

I would like to add this—Whether it is in our lifetimes or not, we know exactly where this is going. Our Blessed Mother warned us that eventually we would have only her Rosary and scapular. Perhaps we are closing in on that time sooner than we would want.


Actually, not true on every point, nor universally true throughout the Church.  In the United States, Religious Orders can and do incorporate property outside of the jurisdiction of the diocese.  How church property is owned or incorporated also varies from State to State.  These days, there are very few churches which do not have their origin as a property of the diocese, but some do exist that were erected as a property of a religious order. Aside from some Monasteries, St. Mary's in Annapolis MD is an example of a parish started in the 18th Century by the Redemptorists and remaining a Redemptorist property.

There were also terms, both in 1988 and in 2012, granting 'recognition' of the friends of the Society, like Silver City, whose property the Society does not necessarily own or control.

I am sure this is a significantly sensitive point for +Fellay in considering any proposal. I would bet a lobster dinner that he would hold out for property rights as a part of any deal. Remember, he was the bursar.


BREAKING! SSPX receives agreement from Rome - Bp. Fellay considering it
« Reply #133 on: November 19, 2015, 11:16:23 AM »
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This does put the "Year of Mercy" Confession jurisdiction announcement into some perspective though.  Perhaps that was done as a gesture of good will in wake of this proposal, a "See, we're sincere about the proposal and really mean it" kind of thing.


This does indeed explain a purpose behind the Vatican "gesture".  Very astute observation.

BREAKING! SSPX receives agreement from Rome - Bp. Fellay considering it
« Reply #134 on: November 19, 2015, 12:38:20 PM »
Did Matthew encounter (a great Novus Ordo word) any update on what he mentioned in his opening post? Thank you in advance.