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Re: Brazilian Resistance Seminary Now SAJM
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2026, 06:55:26 PM »
Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on March 02, 2026, 11:44:00 AM
Trust me, we are far better off the way things are now, then "back in the day" of the SSPX.
Trust you??? Who are you, please tell us.
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Re: Brazilian Resistance Seminary Now SAJM
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2026, 07:42:22 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on March 02, 2026, 10:07:45 AM
Priests being "their own boss" or independent is COMPLETELY contrary to the mind of the Catholic Church, especially the Council of Trent.

Archbishop Lefebvre is not a saint and providential because he's "my guy", "on my team", etc. He's providential because he objectively, clearly was. Go read his biography. Read about how he spent time in Africa (that was God's plan of course) and he learned the dangers first-hand of a priest being on his own. That's why +ABL later established the concept of "priories" in the SSPX, where priests would recharge in friendly territory on the regular, and so avoid burnout, isolation, excessive temptations, etc.

The Resistance has inherited this God-given wisdom from +ABL and his order, the SSPX.

+ABL has been vindicated too, as isolated priests are as much in danger in 2026 as they were in +ABL's time, or in the middle ages when the Council of Trent had to correct things by mandating the establishment of "seminaries" for any future priestly formation. But it's hard to form seminaries of priestly formation without organized groups...

I hate to quote Fr. Cekada, but he was right about one thing: the Tridentine Mass needs a Tridentine priest (i.e., one formed at a seminary).

Independent priests are a "thing" because after Vatican II there was chaos; groups didn't exist yet. But as soon as Tradition was able to organize and establish groups, and Traditional bishops began to exist, there was NO LONGER ANY EXCUSE for priests to go it alone, maverick cowboy style, unless they just wanted to "be their own boss".

Being an "Independent priest" is not something a man chooses -- it is more a matter of necessity, as in "I have no choice". Priests should work under and with a bishop AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, to keep the SPIRIT of their vocation and the mind of the Church as much as possible.
Absolutely, well explained.

After the Resistance fall-out, as after Vatican II, there were good priests who were 'independent' through no fault of their own. But hopefully, they were never independent-minded, which is not the mind of the Church.

I will trust Our Lord Jesus Christ, who established His Church with a hierarchy, not Tom. Those of the novel independent-priest persuasion have enough options, at least let them stop attacking the good Catholics who want to remain traditional.

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Re: Brazilian Resistance Seminary Now SAJM
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2026, 07:44:50 PM »
Start of the academic year at Mgr Marcel Lefebvre Seminary in Brazil https://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2026/03/inicio-del-ano-lectivo-en-el-seminario.html :


We are told from Brazil that there are still some seminarians to arrive.
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Re: Brazilian Resistance Seminary Now SAJM
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2026, 08:09:34 PM »
Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on March 02, 2026, 11:44:00 AM
I never said that this was the ideal

It's not the mind of the Church for Bishops to be consecrated without the permission of Rome, but here we are.

But if bishops aren't consecrated without Papal mandate, Tradition literally perishes. No more priests, no more sacraments.

But priest CAN maintain the spirit of the Catholic priesthood in their FUNDAMENTAL ROLE of "helper to a bishop" by adhering to some religious order, placing themselves under holy obedience to SOME superior and/or bishop.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that NO priest is so isolated today, in 2026, that he can't find a faithful bishop/superior somewhere. If he can't find one, he doesn't want to. You don't have to have your superior nearby, to see him every day or every week. You could have a remote contact with him, working VERY loosely with him. At least placing your ideas under his ideas. Such priests would find their apostolate much more fruitful if they did -- it would be watered, fortified, and made fruitful with the heavenly dew of holy Obedience. Unfortunately, Trads have had to disobey Church authorities for 58+ years now, so Obedience has fallen out of fashion as a virtue to be sought after. But read the lives of the Saints, or the writings of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church. They have much to say about the necessity of Obedience.

The Bishop wears a ring, a symbol of his authority and jurisdiction. Even "sacrament dispenser" emergency bishops without actual jurisdiction keep the spirit of this, by filling the role of teacher and pastor (hence the symbolism of the crosier, it looks like a shepherd's staff).

The duty of teaching primarily falls to the Bishop, by virtue of his very office. The Bishop has to delegate much of the actual leg-work of teaching the Faithful to his helper priests under him, but the primary responsibility is still his. If the Faithful under that bishop are not taught, the bishop is the FIRST one God will blame.

If you study the history of the Church, as well as countless classic pre-Vatican II books on the priesthood, you will quickly absorb the mind of the Church on this matter.
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Re: Brazilian Resistance Seminary Now SAJM
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2026, 03:40:28 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on March 02, 2026, 08:09:34 PM
But if bishops aren't consecrated without Papal mandate, Tradition literally perishes. No more priests, no more sacraments.

But priest CAN maintain the spirit of the Catholic priesthood in their FUNDAMENTAL ROLE of "helper to a bishop" by adhering to some religious order, placing themselves under holy obedience to SOME superior and/or bishop.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that NO priest is so isolated today, in 2026, that he can't find a faithful bishop/superior somewhere. If he can't find one, he doesn't want to. You don't have to have your superior nearby, to see him every day or every week. You could have a remote contact with him, working VERY loosely with him. At least placing your ideas under his ideas. Such priests would find their apostolate much more fruitful if they did -- it would be watered, fortified, and made fruitful with the heavenly dew of holy Obedience. Unfortunately, Trads have had to disobey Church authorities for 58+ years now, so Obedience has fallen out of fashion as a virtue to be sought after. But read the lives of the Saints, or the writings of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church. They have much to say about the necessity of Obedience.

The Bishop wears a ring, a symbol of his authority and jurisdiction. Even "sacrament dispenser" emergency bishops without actual jurisdiction keep the spirit of this, by filling the role of teacher and pastor (hence the symbolism of the crosier, it looks like a shepherd's staff).

The duty of teaching primarily falls to the Bishop, by virtue of his very office. The Bishop has to delegate much of the actual leg-work of teaching the Faithful to his helper priests under him, but the primary responsibility is still his. If the Faithful under that bishop are not taught, the bishop is the FIRST one God will blame.

If you study the history of the Church, as well as countless classic pre-Vatican II books on the priesthood, you will quickly absorb the mind of the Church on this matter.



So again, another misunderstanding. It's not your fault. Years of SSPX culty thought has got us to think like this. (I include myself) And sadly many in our ranks are quietly STILL trying to push for this.

The misunderstanding is this: When I propose independence, I do not mean in an absolute way. Like they do not work with a bishop for Holy oils. That is the Father Hewko way. True and absolute independence, yes, is wrong and not the mind of the Church.

I am against the error of requiring a priest to be a member of some kind of association with promises or vows ON TOP OF whatever they are obliged to do under Canon Law.

As Father Pivert said one time, traditional priests are ALREADY under a lot of obligations when following the traditional code. They DO NOT need something on top of that, so that superiors, Bishop or otherwise can use it to emotionally blackmail them to get them to do what they want.

The true balanced way is one that Fr. Pivert advocates for. If some priests want to be in an association with some kind of promises or simply association, then let that be. He does that himself with his own association there in France. But most priests should not be tied down to that. It is dangerous and we see the fruits with the mass apostasy of the SSPX. Plenus Venter is an SSPX apologist. I'm not going to listen to anything that man has to say. So of course he is going to be pushing for that.


But a lot of sacrifices were made to get us to where we are now in the resistance, and we should not undo all that now.

Sadly, the way of the world and the allure of it is too strong for many, and I fear the worst.

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