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Offline Matthew

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Re: Br Marcel - Dr White 50th Birthday Card
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2025, 12:39:10 PM »
Engaging cartoons/ cards.Love them. Who remembers the name of that homeless man that +W looked after.  In the 50 th card, bottom left, with a huge helmet/ tiara?? He was a bit in Ridgefield, then Winona. I forget his name...to say that he was "a character", would be an understatement.

I never met the man in question, but I heard stories about him. The Brothers were the "lore masters" since they persisted, while seminarians only had 6-7 years at the seminary max, and then they left to become priests (if they didn't leave earlier!)

It sounded like this man was a bit mental as well, going by the stories. I remember he actually died during my time at the seminary, he was in some non-Catholic setting like a group home, a Jєωιѕн something or other, I can't remember. I don't remember if the news came by word of mouth and/or it was in the Winona newspaper. It wasn't exactly a feel-good, storybook ending.

I was told the Bp. W kept him around as a constant reminder of how messed up the Modern World is, and the collateral damage it causes. Perhaps also to "test" the seminarians' virtue, to see if they have the minimal patience to deal with crazy people, the poor, etc. Because a priest will have to deal with that!

Imagine a bad seminarian/priest, only seeking the priesthood for the leisure/luxury/power/respect/comforts. Imagine how dealing with a homeless man would drive him insane. The bishop was quite wise!

I've dealt with a lot of similar things, and I'm just a chapel coordinator. I remember years back a man showed up in a Franciscan habit. He had hitchhiked to get here. I think he was seeking a "valid" priest or something -- apparently in his life quest, he had yet to find one. He left the way he came, on foot. I kept the whole interaction civil; we parted "on good terms". But he was a weirdo to be sure. This was in the earliest days of the Resistance, probably during 2013.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Br Marcel - Dr White 50th Birthday Card
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2025, 12:44:56 PM »
I knew him quite well ... but his name escapes me at the moment.  I liked the guy, but for some reason many seminarians did not, and I couldn't figure out why ... other than a general detestation of the homeless that many "conservative" types seem to have.  He did in fact work around the grounds and helped out cheerfully.

So I recall the one chef they hired, and this man was a culinary genius.  I told him all the time how great his food was, and he would always ask me what I wanted and would comply because he appreciated the compliments.  He could take the food bank garbage and turn it into gourmet meals somehow.  Unfortunately, he was let go because some seminarians accused him of stealing from their rooms, and it turned out he had been busted before, evidently having an issue with kleptomania.  After we heard the news, several of us petitioned that we would offer to stage some money near the kitchen (out of our own pockets) just to satisfy his urges, just so we could keep him there.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Br Marcel - Dr White 50th Birthday Card
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2025, 12:45:43 PM »
How about Mrs.John**n, who wore pants, and bossed all the seminarians, in 1988? Poor +W., he would preach everywhere against women wearing pants, but in Winona, SHE, not H.E., mostly wore the pants!!!

Yeah, not sure why they put up with her, other than that she was a good organizer.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Br Marcel - Dr White 50th Birthday Card
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2025, 12:53:02 PM »
I was told the Bp. W kept him around as a constant reminder of how messed up the Modern World is, and the collateral damage it causes. Perhaps also to "test" the seminarians' virtue, to see if they have the minimal patience to deal with crazy people, the poor, etc. Because a priest will have to deal with that!

Imagine a bad seminarian/priest, only seeking the priesthood for the leisure/luxury/power/respect/comforts. Imagine how dealing with a homeless man would drive him insane. The bishop was quite wise!

That part I did not know, and it does show Bishop Williamson's wisdom, because I can tell you right now that many of the seminarians during my time there would have failed the test.  It's actually an ingenious method to discern true vocations, those who are in it because they have a genuine love for souls vs. those who just want to have people walking around bowing their heads to them in reverence while calling them Father, when otherwise they would have had a hard time being promoted to shift leader at a McDonald's.

Nevertheless, it may also have been just cover for Bishop Williamson, because people don't realize how much genuine natural compassion he did have, where he did in fact very much care for the poor man.  It's also why he probably took in that one priest in England who had been accused of various predatory crimes, because he genuinely had compassion for the sinner.  That one article on OnePeterFive pointed out how, while he was a lion from the pulpit, he was a lamb in the confesssional.  But if you didn't know His Excellency except from his fiery sermons and talks, you might be afraid to go to Confession to him.  I was rather intimidated myself the one and only time I ever went to him (generally the rector was not supposed to deal with seminarian internal forum), but the experience was altogether different than I had expected, in a good way.

At the same, time, though, as I said, it's an ingenious test, brilliant on the part of His Excellency.

Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: Br Marcel - Dr White 50th Birthday Card
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2025, 01:14:18 PM »
Engaging cartoons/ cards.Love them. Who remembers the name of that homeless man that +W looked after.  In the 50 th card, bottom left, with a huge helmet/ tiara?? He was a bit in Ridgefield, then Winona. I forget his name...to say that he was "a character", would be an understatement.

How about Mrs.John**n, who wore pants, and bossed all the seminarians, in 1988? Poor +W., he would preach everywhere against women wearing pants, but in Winona, SHE, not H.E., mostly wore the pants!!!
If I recall the homeless man was named J.P.  His claim to fame, one year he accidentally walked in the bathroom and Archbishop Lefebvre was taking a dump.  J.P. never brushed his teeth and would eat like a horse. I am just curious if Bp. Williamson knew J.P. from his Ridgefield, Connecticut, days. 

I remember the cook, Scott (always had a plethora of beer cans in the back of his white Toyota truck), told me that when he was in culinary arts school there was a woman using an industrial mixer.  Her hair was down in a pony tail one day, and is got caught up in the mixer;  she snapped her neck instantly.