Author Topic: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission? (Read 12638 times)

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #40 on:** April 06, 2021, 07:06:32 AM »

Quote from: XavierSem on April 06, 2021, 01:42:15 AM

Not going into other things, since I'm a non-Resistance Catholic, and this is an internal Resistance matter, but wanted to address this:

The SSPX Bishops, as Bishop Fellay said, after the Holy Year of Mercy, have Ordinary Jurisdiction, and thus Apostolic Mission as well.

Bishop Fellay: "As a result of the Pope’s act, during the Holy Year, we will have ordinary jurisdiction. In the image I mentioned, this has the effect of giving us the official insignia of firefighters, whereas such a status was denied us for decades. In itself, it adds nothing new for the Society, its members, or its faithful. Yet this ordinary jurisdiction will perhaps reassure people who are uneasy or others who until now did not dare to approach us. For, as we said in the communiqué thanking the Pope, the Priests of the Society wish for one thing only: “To perform with renewed generosity their ministry in the confessional, following the example of untiring devotion that the saintly Curé of Ars gave to all Priests.”

From: https://damselofthefaith.wordpress.com/2015/12/01/ordinary-jurisdiction-for-the-year-of-mercy-bishop-fellay-says/

Yes, perfectly correct. I was speaking of not being given an apostolic mission/jurisdiction at the time of episcopal consecration.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #41 on:** April 06, 2021, 08:36:41 AM »

Quote from: XavierSem on April 06, 2021, 07:25:05 AM

Well, wonderful! We agree.

One question, from the SSPX side: if Bp. +Williamson, Bp. +Zendejas, and all the four Resistance Bishops, also spoke to the Holy Father, and obtained Ordinary Jurisdiction from him, without compromise, would that really be such a bad thing or would it, as I hold, be a really good thing, for all Tradition?

God Bless.

Hello Xavier-

I would have to write an entire article to explain why, unfortunately, this would neither be practical nor possible, but let’s start with this from Archbishop Lefebvre, shortly before he died:

“It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to remain separated from this conciliar church.”

Everyone is familiar with this quote, because it is a stumbling block for the ralliement (and the fact that, in preaching retreats to priests from Spiritual Journey Bishop Fellay passes over that quote, admits it is no mere contextualized misunderstanding), but unfortunately not much time is spent by many on meditating WHY Lefebvre said that, beyond the obvious desire not to compromise doctrinally.

There was a deeper and more subtle reason:

From the time of the consecrations until his death, Lefebvre was under continual pressure, ad extra et ad extra, to reach back out to Rome and try to rebuild bridges and repair relations. He gave several Fideliter interviews rebuking those false faithful who had one foot in modernist Rome, and one in tradition; who wanted to collaborate with those who left him after the consecrations (FSSP); etc.

He gave his reasons for these rebukes:

When one exposes oneself to their priests, their Masses, their socialization, one’s fidelity to the faith weakens. You surround yourself with people who have misplaced canonical approval above doctrinal integrity, and slowly, slowly, it starts to occur to you that these people aren’t so bad after all. They say their Rosary! They say the old Mass! They are not so different from us!

But reaching that point, you will formalize your compromise and accept a practical accord.

“But what’s wrong with that, if there was no compromise?”

There is always compromise. Practical collaboration softens the victim, and prepares the terrain for the sellout. We saw it work on the SSPX via the GREC initiatives; we saw it work in Campos (where Fr. Rifan had been meeting with Rome for years);,we even have the acknowledgment by Cardinal Cottier that, “reconciliation carries within itself an internal dynamism..we must be patient. Gradually, we must insist upon additional steps, like concelebration...what is important is that there no longer be rejection in their hearts.”

Lefebvre understood this psychological process of betrayal, and to date there have been none who have ever collaborated, then signed a deal, and avoided compromise: Not La Barroux (despite all Dom Gerard’s protestations to Lefebvre that he will never compromise; not Campos; not the FSSP; not the SSPX.

Nobody.

Only a fool does not learn from history, and the wisdom and prescience of Lefebvre’s admonition that it was a strict duty to remain separated from a conciliar church has been proven accurate time and time again.

As he said to those wanting to collaborate with the FSSP, “They need to make yo their minds about what dude they’re on.”

You choose tradition, or you choose conciliarism, but you can’t choose both.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #42 on:** April 06, 2021, 09:04:58 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 06, 2021, 08:36:41 AM

You choose tradition, or you choose conciliarism, but you can’t choose both.

ByzCat3000 · « **Reply #43 on:** April 06, 2021, 09:09:51 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on April 06, 2021, 09:04:58 AM

I feel like being a non Sede is kind of inherently an attempt to "have both" at a certain level.

"He's the Pope but I want nothing to do with him" only makes sense if you accept EO ecclesiology rather than RC ecclesiology.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #44 on:** April 06, 2021, 09:18:07 AM »

Quote from: ByzCat3000 on April 06, 2021, 09:09:51 AM

I feel like being a non Sede is kind of inherently an attempt to "have both" at a certain level.

"He's the Pope but I want nothing to do with him" only makes sense if you accept EO ecclesiology rather than RC ecclesiology.

Yes, that is the mindset behind sedevacantism and their criticism of R&R. It's much more than merely a debate about the strict limits of infallibility.

That is why there has always been this tension pulling on either side of R&R, with the FSSP and now neo-SSPX drawing back closer to the "Vicar of Christ," whereas the sedes realize this tension and pull away. It's currently the Resistance that is the last stronghold in maintaining both that Bergoglio is a legitimate pope AND that Catholics can, for all intents and purposes, want to have nothing to do with them.

Neither sedevacantists, nor FSSP, nor now the neo-SSPX believe that is a tenable position. If I believed with the certainty of faith that Bergoglio is the pope, I could find no fault with +Fellay's position, nor with that of the FSSP, nor even with the conservative Motu Catholics.

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