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Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
« on: April 05, 2021, 12:13:11 PM »
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    • Can anyone explain Bishop Zendejas's apostolic mission to us ?

    Since his consecration in 2017, we haven't heard or seen much of him?  




    At an Easter dinner yesterday, his name came up in a Resistance conversation, and someone jokingly described him as, " the mystery bishop".


    I've heard Bp. Zendejas has select trad locations and priests that he supports with the Sacraments.

    Chapels in Toronto, El Salvador, PI, Father Voigt, Father Sretenovic...
    But it seems he's far from providing regular Apostolic support to the dozens of American trad Chapels needing his assistance?

    If my impressions are wrong, please correct me.
    Otherwise, is there a problem here or is this "Catacombs approach" part of tradition's new normal ?    

    What does it take to get a visit from the Resistance's 4th Bishop?



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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #1 on: April 05, 2021, 12:59:55 PM »
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    • None of the four bishops (nor the SSPX bishops) has an apostolic mission (ie., jurisdiction), which would be schismatic.

    As far as getting in touch with him, I’ve never heard of any member of this forum struggle in that regard, since anyone who REALLY wanted to get in touch with him need only ask those known attendees (eg., me, Matthew, Mr. G, and a half dozen other regular posters here) or post a thread seeking contact info.  

    As regards helping out other priests not connected to the SAJM (of which BZ is a member), I believes he does what he can, when he can (ie., He either needs to suspend services to his 4 regular chapels to go help someone else’s chapels, or, find temporary replacements to cover his own chapels).

    Eventually, as vocations to the SAJM are ordained (or vocations to allied religious congregations like Santa Cruz or Avrille), the current situation will improve, but at present BZ has only 2 priests to help him.

    It’s a good reason to pray for vocations.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #2 on: April 05, 2021, 01:07:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 05, 2021, 12:59:55 PM
    None of the four bishops (nor the SSPX bishops) has an apostolic mission (ie., jurisdiction), which would be schismatic.
    Didn't Saint Athanasius consecrate Orthodox Bishops in dioceses and set them up against the Arian Bishops who were officially under the Pope but heretical? I wonder how things would be now if the traditional Bishops had done the same. I think this only happened in Campos. It would have been interesting if Lefebvre set up Williamson as the Bishop of the United States and had him publicly excommunicate the local modernist Bishops.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #3 on: April 05, 2021, 01:12:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on April 05, 2021, 01:07:52 PM
    Didn't Saint Athanasius consecrate Orthodox Bishops in dioceses and set them up against the Arian Bishops who were officially under the Pope but heretical? I wonder how things would be now if the traditional Bishops had done the same. I think this only happened in Campos. It would have been interesting if Lefebvre set up Williamson as the Bishop of the United States and had him publicly excommunicate the local modernist Bishops.
    I found this group of sede bishops in Latin America who have odd Holy Orders and think they have authority to excommunicate
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #4 on: April 05, 2021, 01:15:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on April 05, 2021, 01:07:52 PM
    Didn't Saint Athanasius consecrate Orthodox Bishops in dioceses and set them up against the Arian Bishops who were officially under the Pope but heretical? I wonder how things would be now if the traditional Bishops had done the same. I think this only happened in Campos. It would have been interesting if Lefebvre set up Williamson as the Bishop of the United States and had him publicly excommunicate the local modernist Bishops.

    Perhaps someone else can answer whether St. Athanasius actually conferred jurisdiction on the bishops he consecrated?

    But the SSPX did write an article in which it is claimed that St. Eusebius of Samasota did actually consecrate bishops and establish them in their episcopal sees.  However, when I inquired of Fr. Iscara (SSPX professor of ecclesiastical history and moral theology), he told me that the sources which could prove or disprove that claim have been lost.

    As regards Campos, I do not think there were ever two bishops possessing jurisdiction in Campos at the same time.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #5 on: April 05, 2021, 01:18:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 05, 2021, 12:59:55 PM
    None of the four bishops (nor the SSPX bishops) has an apostolic mission (ie., jurisdiction), which would be schismatic.

    Sean,

    You, the American social mєdια "first responder" for the Resistance... thanks for your reply.

    As the history of the SSPX reads, +ABL was based in Econe and he used to fly to California to give the trad chapels the Sacrament of Confirmation.  
    Wasn't that a form on canonical emergency jurisdiction, an Apostolic Mission for traditional Catholic souls?

    If you say Bp. Zendejas has no jurisdiction, then what is he doing in America ?
    As the CÖVÌD ναccιnє of death noose tightens around us, we're just a little curious as to what our Bishop is doing... that's all :popcorn:
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #6 on: April 05, 2021, 01:25:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 05, 2021, 12:59:55 PM
    None of the four bishops (nor the SSPX bishops) has an apostolic mission (ie., jurisdiction), which would be schismatic.

    As far as getting in touch with him, I’ve never heard of any member of this forum struggle in that regard, since anyone who REALLY wanted to get in touch with him need only ask those known attendees (eg., me, Matthew, Mr. G, and a half dozen other regular posters here) or post a thread seeking contact info.  

    As regards helping out other priests not connected to the SAJM (of which BZ is a member), I believes he does what he can, when he can (ie., He either needs to suspend services to his 4 regular chapels to go help someone else’s chapels, or, find temporary replacements to cover his own chapels).

    Eventually, as vocations to the SAJM are ordained (or vocations to allied religious congregations like Santa Cruz or Avrille), the current situation will improve, but at present BZ has only 2 priests to help him.

    It’s a good reason to pray for vocations.


    We're just talkin about a Consecrated Bishop, on hand, in America, today.

    Don't get us started about the deficiency of new priests.

    Worldwide communist enslavement, WWIII and the Three Days of Darkness will occur before the SAJM ordains any meaningful number of priests.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #7 on: April 05, 2021, 01:29:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on April 05, 2021, 01:18:37 PM
    Sean,

    You, the American social mєdια "first responder" for the Resistance... thanks for your reply.

    As the history of the SSPX reads, +ABL was based in Econe and he used to fly to California to give the trad chapels the Sacrament of Confirmation.  
    Wasn't that a form on canonical emergency jurisdiction, an Apostolic Mission for traditional Catholic souls?

    If you say Bp. Zendejas has no jurisdiction, then what is he doing in America ?
    As the CÖVÌD ναccιnє of death noose tightens around us, we're just a little curious as to what our Bishop is doing... that's all :popcorn:
    Apostolic mission = ordinary jurisdiction.
    Nobody believes the trad bishops were conferred this, which would have been schismatic.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #8 on: April 05, 2021, 01:30:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on April 05, 2021, 01:18:37 PM
    Sean,

    You, the American social mєdια "first responder" for the Resistance... thanks for your reply.

    As the history of the SSPX reads, +ABL was based in Econe and he used to fly to California to give the trad chapels the Sacrament of Confirmation.  
    Wasn't that a form on canonical emergency jurisdiction, an Apostolic Mission for traditional Catholic souls?

    If you say Bp. Zendejas has no jurisdiction, then what is he doing in America ?
    As the CÖVÌD ναccιnє of death noose tightens around us, we're just a little curious as to what our Bishop is doing... that's all :popcorn:
    Then why don’t you reach out to him?
    Would you like his phone number or email address?
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #9 on: April 05, 2021, 01:34:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 05, 2021, 01:15:24 PM
    As regards Campos, I do not think there were ever two bishops possessing jurisdiction in Campos at the same time.
    You know more about such things than I do, but I thought that for some time there was a parallel Novus Ordo Campos diocese and a traditional Campos diocese. If this is not the case, then I misremembered. The way I remembered it, was that after a while the Novus Ordo tried to take control of the Diocese and appointed a new Novus Ordo Bishop, and then Mayer set up his own Churches and carried on with tradition with his faithful, and then the SSPX Bishops consecrated his successor in Campos.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #10 on: April 05, 2021, 01:34:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on April 05, 2021, 01:07:52 PM
    Didn't Saint Athanasius consecrate Orthodox Bishops in dioceses and set them up against the Arian Bishops who were officially under the Pope but heretical? I wonder how things would be now if the traditional Bishops had done the same. I think this only happened in Campos. It would have been interesting if Lefebvre set up Williamson as the Bishop of the United States and had him publicly excommunicate the local modernist Bishops.

    As regards consecrating emergency bishops AND conferring jurisdiction on them, the SSPX cited Simonetti’s “The Arian Crisis in the Fourth Century” in their May 1999 SiSiNoNo Angelus insert article titled “The 1988 Episcopal Consecrations: A Theological Study (Part I), in which it noted:

    “Longer ago, during the Arian crisis, St. Eusebius of Samosata and other bishops, not only consecrated but even established other bishops in episcopal sees,39 and the Church has not hesitated to proclaim his sanctity.”

    Later, in Part II of the same article, it responded to the FSSP’s attack:

    “ For that reason, to the authors of Du sacre episcopal contre la volonté du Pape who object that "St. Eusebius [of Samosata) acted without the pope's consent but not against the pope's consent, " we reply that only a question of fact is at stake, not of principle. We concede that St. Eusebius was not faced with the "No" of a pope who promoted and favored Arianism, and demanded respect for laws which would have deprived of help souls placed in grave spiritual necessity. But, had St. Eusebius found himself in that position, he would have had to follow the moral principles recalled above and to fulfil, not "against" the pope's "No" but despite the pope's "No," the most serious duty of charity laid upon his episcopacy by the grave and general necessity of souls.”
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #11 on: April 05, 2021, 01:45:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on April 05, 2021, 12:13:11 PM
    Otherwise, is there a problem here or is this "Catacombs approach" part of tradition's new normal ?    

    Yes. Exactly.

    What does it take to get a visit from the Resistance's 4th Bishop?

    Answer:
    He doesn't bilocate, and he doesn't even fly in airplanes, because that would require going on the grid/on the radar. +Zendejas is prudently staying a "mystery bishop" as you call it, to better provide for his flock. And no, that doesn't mean the entire Trad population of the earth. Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer tried that and we all know what a miserable failure that was.

     Bp. Zendejas knows that "what he can do" = God's will for him. Anything beyond that (solving the Crisis in the Church, offering Sunday Mass to every Trad in need of such) is A) impossible and B) therefore not God's will for him. He is wise and prudent in this department. We need Prudence among our Trad clergy as much as we need Fortitude, Knowledge, Piety, Purity, holiness, etc.

    Interesting you specifically mentioned CÖVÌD in one of your follow-up posts. That is precisely why +Zendejas is staying more off-the-grid than usual. He's usually a very prudent, cautious bishop. But now he's completely off-grid because he doesn't want to run into issues with local, state, and national government(s) and CÖVÌD regulations, travel restrictions, quarantines, contact tracing, shutdowns, etc.

    Remember, one of his biggest locations is CT/NY. Those places are more like the UK and less like Sweden, when it comes to CÖVÌD.

    When the government (a.k.a. "the Power") is not on your side, all it takes is ONE enemy with a phone, and you're shut down. Bishop Zendejas has several (enemies, that is). On every side of him, at that! Not just SSPX, but diocesan, indult, Sedevacantist, home-aloner, you name it.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #12 on: April 05, 2021, 01:48:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on April 05, 2021, 01:34:28 PM
    You know more about such things than I do, but I thought that for some time there was a parallel Novus Ordo Campos diocese and a traditional Campos diocese. If this is not the case, then I misremembered. The way I remembered it, was that after a while the Novus Ordo tried to take control of the Diocese and appointed a new Novus Ordo Bishop, and then Mayer set up his own Churches and carried on with tradition with his faithful, and then the SSPX Bishops consecrated his successor in Campos.

    Bishop Castro de Mayer retained integral tradition in Campos until he retired in 1981.  
    He was then succeeded by the modernist Bishop Navarro.

    At no point did Bishop Castro de Mayer ever contest Bishop Navarro’s jurisdiction, or declare that he himself continued to retain ordinary jurisdiction (ie., apostolic mission) for the Diocese of Campos.

    What did end up happening was that 40,000 Catholics in Campos refused to sellout, and continued to seek out the traditional priests of Campos who remained affiliated/allied to the retired Bishop Castro de Mayer (creating a sort of diocese within a diocese, but only de facto, not de jure).
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #13 on: April 05, 2021, 01:49:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 05, 2021, 01:30:48 PM
    Then why don’t you reach out to him?
    Would you like his phone number or email address?


    Sure, please PM me.

    But, you're implying Bp. Zendejas's assists his American Resistance by "appointment only".

    This is the essence of my initial question.  How does the Bishop tend his flock?
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #14 on: April 05, 2021, 01:53:33 PM »
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    • I think it would be nice if Bishop Zendejas wrote public letters like Williamson did. It would be good to hear from him. I remember he used to have a blog but after a while he stopped writing new posts. I think it was because the Pfeifferites were reading it and condemning some of the things he was saying. But Matthew would know better about his reasons. The Blue Paper. Last update in May 2016. Maybe he has a new blog or sends letters, but I am just not on the list. It is true that I almost never hear about Zendejas even though I know a few people who go to his Masses, and he is rarely even mentioned here on Cathinfo even though he is an important member of the resistance.
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