Author Topic: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission? (Read 12607 times)

ByzCat3000 · « **Reply #45 on:** April 06, 2021, 09:39:50 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on April 06, 2021, 09:18:07 AM

Yes, that is the mindset behind sedevacantism and their criticism of R&R. It's much more than merely a debate about the strict limits of infallibility.

That is why there has always been this tension pulling on either side of R&R, with the FSSP and now neo-SSPX drawing back closer to the "Vicar of Christ," whereas the sedes realize this tension and pull away. It's currently the Resistance that is the last stronghold in maintaining both that Bergoglio is a legitimate pope AND that Catholics can, for all intents and purposes, want to have nothing to do with them.

Neither sedevacantists, nor FSSP, nor now the neo-SSPX believe that is a tenable position. If I believed with the certainty of faith that Bergoglio is the pope, I could find no fault with +Fellay's position, nor with that of the FSSP, nor even with the conservative Motu Catholics.

Even if there isn't "certainty of faith" it seems like one has to act within bounds of ones convictions. Even if you're not *certain* that Francis is the Pope, if you believe that he is, it seems one should want to be in communion with him, which I think differs as a question from whether one can disobey him in select cases (I think this is where "Neo-SSPX" would differ from FSSP in some respects)

I sent a DM with some additional thoughts a few minutes ago

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #46 on:** April 06, 2021, 10:26:33 AM »

Maintaining the R&R position is nicely analogous to the imagery used by priests is explaining virtue:

Virtue is located on the mountain top. One can slide too far down one side (excess) or the other (defect). The key is to remain as close to the peak as possible (ie., in the realm of virtue).

Same thing with R&R:

One wants to retain the balance (ie., nearest the peak), and avoid falling too far down one side (recognize: FSSP) or the other (resist: sedevacantism).

Kazimierz · « **Reply #47 on:** April 06, 2021, 01:54:00 PM »

"The Quest stands upon the edge of a knife. Stray but a little, and it will fail, to the ruin of all."- Galadriel, FOTR, LOTR

So it is with the Faith. :@)

Our path to Heaven is a serious journey; not a Hobbit walking party.

Shrewd Operator · « **Reply #48 on:** April 06, 2021, 10:17:23 PM »

Quote from: XavierSem on April 06, 2021, 07:25:05 AM

Well, wonderful! We agree.

One question, from the SSPX side: if Bp. +Williamson, Bp. +Zendejas, and all the four Resistance Bishops, also spoke to the Holy Father, and obtained Ordinary Jurisdiction from him, without compromise, would that really be such a bad thing or would it, as I hold, be a really good thing, for all Tradition?

God Bless.

The resistance being granted any jurisdiction, or any other gift, from Francis would actually make Francis look more legitimate and make the Resistance more suspect.

It's like receiving, or asking for, permission from Evil to do, or be, Good.

Who WANTS an agreement with a Pachamama pusher, or needs it, to be true Fishers of Men?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #49 on:** April 06, 2021, 10:32:51 PM »

I honestly don’t see why a solid priest couldn’t be identified and ordained as at least a simplex priest after 3-4 years. Perhaps at that point he offers Mass but doesn’t give sermons of hear Confessions ... until getting some more time studying moral and dogmatic theology. We are in an extreme emergency situation and don’t necessarily have the luxury to wait 6-7 years for each priest.

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