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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2021, 01:56:10 PM »
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  • Sure, please PM me.

    But, you're implying Bp. Zendejas's assists his American Resistance by "appointment only".

    This is the essence of my initial question.  How does the Bishop tend his flock?

    As Matthew pointed out, Bishop Zendejas is not Fr. Pfeiffer (ie., the whole world is not his personal church).

    I hear people moan after they find out BZ had come and gone for confirmation, and they never knew it.  

    My response is always: “You have known he has no website; you have known how to reach out to him; you know of many who attend his chapels; you could have made contact with him any time in the last four years.  What’s YOUR excuse?”

    Ps: Sending you his contact info by PM.  Please be discreet with it.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #16 on: April 05, 2021, 01:57:22 PM »
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  • Worldwide communist enslavement, WWIII and the Three Days of Darkness will occur before the SAJM ordains any meaningful number of priests.


    Then talk to God, not Bp. Zendejas.

    I assure you, they are distinct from one another. One of them has this whole Crisis (including the solution thereof) in His hand -- the latter is just a man, subject to all kinds of physical limitations.

    My recommended Scripture verse for today (for you, Incredulous) is Matthew chapter 8
    [24] And behold a great tempest arose in the sea, so that the boat was covered with waves, but he was asleep. [25] And they came to him, and awaked him, saying: Lord, save us, we perish.
    [26] And Jesus saith to them: Why are you fearful, O ye of little faith? Then rising up he commanded the winds, and the sea, and there came a great calm.

    Incredulous' complaint (above) is EXACTLY the same logic and thinking that the Apostles in the boat had.  "By the time Jesus wakes up, we'll all be dead at the bottom of the sea". But in both cases, Jesus was in control and all we need to do is our duty of state, as much as we can (and not an inch more), and TRUST IN GOD for the rest.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #17 on: April 05, 2021, 02:00:19 PM »
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  • I think it would be nice if Bishop Zendejas wrote public letters like Williamson did. It would be good to hear from him. I remember he used to have a blog but after a while he stopped writing new posts. I think it was because the Pfeifferites were reading it and condemning some of the things he was saying. But Matthew would know better about his reasons. The Blue Paper. Last update in May 2016. Maybe he has a new blog or sends letters, but I am just not on the list. It is true that I almost never hear about Zendejas even though I know a few people who go to his Masses, and he is rarely even mentioned here on Cathinfo even though he is an important member of the resistance.

    I remember he tried.  But his English is not very good, and when he published his Blue Papers, the Pfeifferites capitalized on some poor grammar to put words into his mouth to make him seem a liberal.  After that experience, I think he felt writing would do more harm than good, and he quit.

    I would like to see him give it a whirl in his native Spanish, and have someone translate it back into English.  But it’s obviously not my call.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #18 on: April 05, 2021, 02:04:00 PM »
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  • His English was good enough. He was the most impressive priest who regularly came to the NYC mission. My friend from Church spent a little while living in Ridgefield when he was there, and he said it was like a medieval saint had come back to earth to live with us for a while.
    R.I.P.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #19 on: April 05, 2021, 02:05:12 PM »
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  • As Matthew pointed out, Bishop Zendejas is not Fr. Pfeiffer (ie., the whole world is not his personal church).

    I hear people moan after they find out BZ had come and gone for confirmation, and they never knew it.  

    My response is always: “You have known he has no website; you have known how to reach out to him; you know of many who attend his chapels; you could have made contact with him any time in the last four years.  What’s YOUR excuse?”

    Ps: Sending you his contact info by PM.  Please be discreet with it.

    I have to chime in on this subject.

    I want to know who "these people" are who wanted to attend Mass/Confirmations and couldn't. Because I call BULLS*** right here and now. And I'll explain why.

    You (Incredulous) describe for me a real person, or even a hypothetical person, who truly supports the Resistance and wants to attend Confirmation and/or Mass. Why has he not become attached/associated with/in contact with one of Bp. Z's groups? That's the first step. It's free. We don't bite. We don't require arcane initiation rituals. There are no hazing ritual(s) for new members.

    Incredulous is suggesting there are "more than zero" people out there who want to be part of Bp. Z's apostolate, are in the geographical area, but just haven't succeeded?
    Then they're not trying. At all. Try Google. Try fαcebσσƙ. Try CathInfo. Sure, you'll probably end up with my number/e-mail first, but I'll hook you up, trust me.

    There are some who are just out of luck because they live nowhere near Bp. Z's apostolate -- that's a completely different story.

    But if you (the hypothetical would-be Resistance parishioner/supporter) want to be involved in the Resistance, then BY ALL MEANS GET INVOLVED. Today. Now. Get on a mailing list. Establish yourself as a supporter (and no, I'm not talking about a financial supporter). CathInfo membership is free, for crying out loud! Why not sign up for an account and be active in the Resistance subforum, reading/posting? What's your lame excuse?

    You call Bp. Z a mystery bishop -- I'm calling out your MYSTERY SUPPORTERS or MYSTERY PARISHIONERS as non-existent phantoms.

    I get e-mails/phone calls at the time, by those who found my chapel website in Google. I always send their contact info on to Bp. Zendejas, and/or put them on the Seguin, TX chapel mailing list. It's that easy! It really is.

    There's no valid excuse for being "left out in the cold" if you truly wanted to be involved at a Bp. Z chapel -- unless one is just a grumbler/complainer/infiltrator trying to make online trouble, and one's excuse(s) are just pure steaming bullcrap. That's the most likely scenario.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #20 on: April 05, 2021, 02:06:12 PM »
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  • His English was good enough. He was the most impressive priest who regularly came to the NYC mission. My friend from Church spent a little while living in Ridgefield when he was there, and he said it was like a medieval saint had come back to earth to live with us for a while.
    That’s why we defend him😇.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #21 on: April 05, 2021, 02:08:27 PM »
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  • P.S. What I'm saying is -- if someone is so lukewarm they don't want to lift a finger to get in contact -- i.e., they want to be a convenience-heavy "Sunday Catholic" that just looks up the local chapel in the phonebook, shows up for Mass, leaves right after -- no volunteering, no getting involved, no significant travel, etc. -- you're just out of luck.

    It wasn't me that punished such Convenience First individuals -- it was Someone much greater than I. He seems to be leaning more and more towards "done" with such lukewarm Catholics, and is beginning to purge His Church as we speak.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #22 on: April 05, 2021, 02:13:03 PM »
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  • P.S. This argument was thrown out there as early as 2015 -- so it's quite old. The answer to the argument is quite straightforward, and hasn't changed much in the past 6 years.

    If you want to be part of the Resistance and enjoy Mass/Sacraments at said chapels, then GET INVOLVED. There are NO excuses. Google is still operational, last time I checked. And although you're not going to find Bp. Z's personal phone number OR e-mail address online, you will find mine and I can hook you up.

    No excuses. Sorry, the smearing and slander aren't going to work. I'm BS-proof, and I'm going to see that the CathInfo readers end up BS-proof on this particular subject as well.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #23 on: April 05, 2021, 02:20:10 PM »
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  • Here is my point:

    My soul could be transplanted into ANYONE ON EARTH right now, and if I had the will to support the Resistance and be accepted as a member, I could make it happen easily within 1 month. I'd use Google, I'd join CathInfo, I'd post sentences and maybe articles in support of the movement.

    It doesn't matter what part of the country I ended up in. Male or female. Young or old. Married or single. Healthy or sick. I could easily establish an online identity and make myself a "known quantity" who supports Bp. Zendejas, Bp. Williamson, etc. It's just so easy to do so. Spending just 15 minutes a week, I would quickly make friends, make some phone calls, get to know individual(s) in my area, talk to some priests, explain my situation, etc. and even if I couldn't make it to weekly/monthly Mass, I would at least be a trusted, known quantity so I could take my kids (?) to Confirmation nearby when the time came, no problem.

    When there's a will, there's a way. Especially for something this simple. If you haven't done something so simple, in 6 years, then you don't want it at all. Period. No excuses.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #24 on: April 05, 2021, 02:44:31 PM »
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  • Then talk to God, not Bp. Zendejas.

    I assure you, they are distinct from one another. One of them has this whole Crisis (including the solution thereof) in His hand -- the latter is just a man, subject to all kinds of physical limitations.

    My recommended Scripture verse for today (for you, Incredulous) is Matthew chapter 8
    [24] And behold a great tempest arose in the sea, so that the boat was covered with waves, but he was asleep. [25] And they came to him, and awaked him, saying: Lord, save us, we perish.
    [26] And Jesus saith to them: Why are you fearful, O ye of little faith? Then rising up he commanded the winds, and the sea, and there came a great calm.

    Incredulous' complaint (above) is EXACTLY the same logic and thinking that the Apostles in the boat had.  "By the time Jesus wakes up, we'll all be dead at the bottom of the sea". But in both cases, Jesus was in control and all we need to do is our duty of state, as much as we can (and not an inch more), and TRUST IN GOD for the rest.

    Touche' Monsieur Matthew...

    You leave me no choice but to parry and thrust again.

    BACKGROUND:

    Archbishop Lefebvre, after guiding the SSPX for over 20 years, died on March 25, 1991.
    He is buried in a crypt beneath his beloved seminary at Econe where his remains can be visited today.
    On his tomb are marked the words of the apostle St. Paul: "Tradidi quod et accepi"
    (I have transmitted what I have received) (I Cor. 15:3).
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    We've had an open Resistance situation since 2012.   It is 2021 and only a trickle of priests have been ordained.

    There have been many excuses, but in that time period, it would have been possible to ordain two to three seminary classes of priests.
    If, the Bishop(s) had the will to do it.  

    And during that critical time, Resistance chapels, worldwide, have withered on the vine or been prey to the neo-SSPX.

    So, if you accuse me of having little Faith, I counter the Bishops you defend for not passing on the continuity of Faith though the priesthood.



    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #25 on: April 05, 2021, 02:55:53 PM »
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  • As regards consecrating emergency bishops AND conferring jurisdiction on them, the SSPX cited Simonetti’s “The Arian Crisis in the Fourth Century” in their May 1999 SiSiNoNo Angelus insert article titled “The 1988 Episcopal Consecrations: A Theological Study (Part I), in which it noted:

    Longer ago, during the Arian crisis, St. Eusebius of Samosata and other bishops, not only consecrated but even established other bishops in episcopal sees,39 and the Church has not hesitated to proclaim his sanctity.”

    Later, in Part II of the same article, it responded to the FSSP’s attack:

    For that reason, to the authors of Du sacre episcopal contre la volonté du Pape who object that "St. Eusebius [of Samosata) acted without the pope's consent but not against the pope's consent, " we reply that only a question of fact is at stake, not of principle. We concede that St. Eusebius was not faced with the "No" of a pope who promoted and favored Arianism, and demanded respect for laws which would have deprived of help souls placed in grave spiritual necessity. But, had St. Eusebius found himself in that position, he would have had to follow the moral principles recalled above and to fulfil, not "against" the pope's "No" but despite the pope's "No," the most serious duty of charity laid upon his episcopacy by the grave and general necessity of souls.”
    So there's precedence in the Church.  Interesting.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #26 on: April 05, 2021, 03:14:38 PM »
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  • When communism has full reign and the public resistance on google and public media are shut down or the faithful are barred from access, (social scores, vaccine passports for everything), Bp. Zendejas will be able to operate, even if to a limited number in a limited area.  (How many around there are not Catholic?) God may be saving him for use in a future time.  
    As for being like a Medieval Saint, yes, I agree, and not Medieval only, but a reader of souls, as St. John Vianney, St. Padre Pio, and possibly a prophet. Twice, I had an eerie experience with BZ when he was prior at Ridgefield.

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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #27 on: April 05, 2021, 03:18:24 PM »
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  • So there's precedence in the Church.  Interesting.
    Maybe.  You left out the part where I mentioned Fr. Iscara told me that the early sources which could prove or disprove the claim are lost.

    I should also mention that, although the SSPX included the aforementioned SiSiNoNo article in the Angelus, the article itself was written by a very learned nun of the deceased Fr. Putti’s Cenacle in Italy.  

    I believe it is now Fr. Nitoglia (Resistance) who sees to these nuns’ spiritual needs.
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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #28 on: April 05, 2021, 05:08:51 PM »
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  • When there's a will, there's a way. Especially for something this simple.
    This is very true. I know of two families that moved to be close to the SAJM chapel and another one with plans in the works. Sometime there are families or individuals that come once  in a long while (for example, for confirmations) because they are unable to relocate. I suggest that all those who want to be active supports of the SAJM to visit one the the three established chapels at least once and get to know the people and priests.

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    Re: Bp. Zendejas's Apostolic Mission?
    « Reply #29 on: April 05, 2021, 05:10:39 PM »
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  • When available, I go to one of BZ's missions. His travel schedule has been grueling and has caused him many complications, but since COVID restrictions in NY/CT traveling has made him  a greater target for his enemies. and makes it that much more difficult to maintain an outreach , although somehow he still finds a way.  He has been a Holy and accessible Bishop- but still- what are the expectations for one man? With such daunting responsibilities ,scattered flock, Covid restrictions amidst the arrows of enemies, his accomplishments are still astounding. +Zendejas does keep a a bit under the radar - makes sense. I feel so blessed to know him.
    Maybe there is a novena we can pray for him?