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Bp Willliamson to consecrate bishop during sede vacante?
« on: February 18, 2013, 07:37:29 PM »
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  • A friend in Fr. Ringrose's chapel told me that the Resistance priests were meeting in Vienna, Virginia with Bp. Williamson to select one of their group for him to consecrate a bishop.

    When informed of this news, a local priest who knows Bp. Williamson, drew the following scenario for me.  Shortly after Feb. 28 when B16 steps down, +Williamson consecrates a bishop. With a literal sede vacante and no one at the top to set policy, the cardinals go bonkers trying to figure out what the response should be. The press and the Jєωs go wild about the "h0Ɩ0cαųst denier," and the conclave meets surrounded by the firestorm and under pressure from the media. Whoever the conclave elects will have to make his first act something to deal with the mess. Bp. Williamson could hijack the whole conclave and the publicity to promote his Resistance movement.

    The priest said that +Williamson has nothing to lose by doing this and a great deal to gain.

    It sounds really wild, but if the bishop really wanted to make a point to the world, this might be the way to do it. It would be really interesting to watch how the Vatican and the cardinals would squirm.

    What do you think?



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    Bp Willliamson to consecrate bishop during sede vacante?
    « Reply #1 on: February 18, 2013, 07:40:27 PM »
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  • That would be interesting. Of course that would get the resistance excommunicated by modernist Rome. But if the resistance is to last for a long time they would need another Bishop. Williamson is getting old.
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    « Reply #2 on: February 18, 2013, 08:47:30 PM »
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  • I enjoy watching fireworks  :wink:

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    Bp Willliamson to consecrate bishop during sede vacante?
    « Reply #3 on: February 18, 2013, 09:01:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    That would be interesting. Of course that would get the resistance excommunicated by modernist Rome. But if the resistance is to last for a long time they would need another Bishop. Williamson is getting old.


     As far as the Resistance is concerned, this whole excommunication topic is really null & void topic.......it never belonged to modernist Rome to get excommunicated.

    Now on the other hand, Bp. Fellay's Church will get totally affected by an excommunication since he believes his church is in an "abnormal" standing with Rome.

    I truly hope that many, many, many worthy priests will be consecrated in taking up the fight (as lions), in holding firm to the True Faith!!!

    Viva Cristo Rey!!!!


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    « Reply #4 on: February 18, 2013, 09:06:37 PM »
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  • Wow -- that would be quite exciting and awesome at the same time.

    We shouldn't try to force His Excellency, though. He will act in God's own good time.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 18, 2013, 09:28:23 PM »
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  • That would be very interesting indeed.  It seems like the worst thing that could happen to Bishop Williamson if he did this would be for the Vatican to simply ignore it.  Anything else would be a victory for him, and being ignored wouldn't really be defeat.  No real downside for Bishop Williamson, actually.
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    « Reply #6 on: February 18, 2013, 09:37:43 PM »
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  • God willing!

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    « Reply #7 on: February 18, 2013, 09:41:46 PM »
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  • It would be great if Bishop Williamson Consecrated a new Bishop! And a good time to do it.

    With Fr. Chazal in Asia, I'm thinking it will come down to Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 18, 2013, 09:57:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jerome
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    That would be interesting. Of course that would get the resistance excommunicated by modernist Rome. But if the resistance is to last for a long time they would need another Bishop. Williamson is getting old.


     As far as the Resistance is concerned, this whole excommunication topic is really null & void topic.......it never belonged to modernist Rome to get excommunicated.

    Now on the other hand, Bp. Fellay's Church will get totally affected by an excommunication since he believes his church is in an "abnormal" standing with Rome.


    I truly hope that many, many, many worthy priests will be consecrated in taking up the fight (as lions), in holding firm to the True Faith!!!

    Viva Cristo Rey!!!!


    Yes, Jerome, that is so true.

    That is exactly where conciliar Rome baited Menzingen.  Now conciliar Rome could pounce on them anytime they want to; and I think Bishop Fellay knows it.  It is all how you play chess...and the Romans are cunning at it.

    Bishop Fellay LOST from being a "Bishop" of Archbishop Lefebvre, to now, just a "pawn" in the hands of conciliar Rome.

    Unfortunately, outside of a miracle, the SSPX in its position, is finished.  Conciliar Rome now has the upper hand; and is really toying with them like a cat playing with a mouse.

    It is all very sad...what would Archbishop Lefebvre say to Bishop Fellay right now?

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    « Reply #9 on: February 18, 2013, 10:21:45 PM »
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  • What would Archbishop Lefebvre say to Bishop Fellay?  "Consecrate TWO new bishops and reinstate Bishop Williamson.  The State of Necessity is still with us.  

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    « Reply #10 on: February 18, 2013, 10:53:41 PM »
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  • The SSPX will need at least one more Bishop.  Preferrably three more for a total of six.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 18, 2013, 11:26:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    The SSPX will need at least one more Bishop.  Preferrably three more for a total of six.


    So, then why does the third sine qua non Condition in the GC statement call
    for as few as one bishop total?  That could mean +Fellay alone, and when he's
    gone, they could be given only one new one - from the 'outside'!  "Very flimsy
    Conditions" as Fr. Hewko explains them.  


    While I am quite appreciative of the OP scoop, for it's an intriguing scenario,
    my first hunch is, why would this priest mention the idea to Canute, or, for that
    matter, anyone?  It seems like the kind of thing that should remain in pectore
    as they say.  

    There are a number of things I would like to kick around, but I don't think a
    public forum is the place for it.  Let the cardinals begin their discussions in the
    dark.  Let the news arrive in its good time.  Speaking of which, isn't it supposed
    to be a sequestered conclave, such that outside events, even world events do
    not affect the proceedings?  All of the college are prohibited from having any
    communication with the outside, that is, they are forbidden to send messages
    out such as what is going on in the private conclave.  No phone calls, no phones
    in their rooms, no telegrams delivered, no passing of notes.

    This is why we really don't know for sure what happened in the one that elected
    John XXIII, even though there was unprecedented black smoke, then white
    smoke, then black smoke again.  So for this news to get in, someone would have
    to deliver a message to the conclave, and that would be a highly unusual thing.  
    These are all cardinals, with thousands of Faithful under their authority, so
    certainly there are many things that would be going on in their jurisdiction that
    fairly scream for their attention.  But such messages would only serve to disrupt
    the intensive deliberations.  So it would make sense that a policy of NO
    MESSAGES COMING IN would be an obvious tradition.  There were news stories of
    cell phones being absolutely forbidden the cardinals during the last conclave -
    which was the first one to occur since cell phones had been developed.  In 1978
    there were portable phones but they were very large and obvious, bigger than a
    quart sized canteen, anyway.  And most of them much larger, about the size of a
    briefcase.

    So a major news item like this would be most effective coming out just an
    hour or two before the conclave convenes, while the cardinals are still able to
    communicate with the outside world.  Then they can go into deliberations
    knowing that something else could well be happening out there, unbeknownst to
    them on the "inside."  -- As if they wouldn't be under enough pressure anyway!

    This seems to be something we could add to the Holy Ghost Novena that
    starts on Feb. 20th, which is Wednesday (day after tomorrow).  So in that
    regard, it's a good thing to know about.  







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    Bp Willliamson to consecrate bishop during sede vacante?
    « Reply #12 on: February 19, 2013, 07:47:41 AM »
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  • I don't know Neal (call me a cynic if you wish), all of what you stated would've worked if Rome was true to the Faith and had a truly Traditional conclave.......but, knowing the amount of corruption (their modus operandi) and the political cess pool in which the whole of Vatican swims in, I wouldn't be expecting too much honesty.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 19, 2013, 08:33:13 AM »
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  • Quote from: Canute
    ...a local priest .... drew the following scenario for me.  Shortly after Feb. 28 when B16 steps down, +Williamson consecrates a bishop. With a literal sede vacante and no one at the top to set policy, the cardinals go bonkers trying to figure out what the response should be. The press and the Jєωs go wild about the "h0Ɩ0cαųst denier," and the conclave meets surrounded by the firestorm and under pressure from the media. Whoever the conclave elects will have to make his first act something to deal with the mess. Bp. Williamson could hijack the whole conclave and the publicity to promote his Resistance movement.

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    The Resistance is not about publicity stunts or wanting to attract more parishioners to fill our chapels to make us feel self-esteem. The resistance is about operation survival, providing a place of worship for those who seek truth. That was all that Abp. Lefebvre intended to do when he first took up the task.

    Traditionalists have to get over the complex that they have from being different from everyone else in the world. No amount of stunts and smells and bells will change the fact that we are not the same as the rest of the world. If you want to change that, then just become like the Novus Ordo's, and you'll have a full chapel, and lots of friends.

    "What therefore shall we say about these things? If God is for us, who is against us?"

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    « Reply #14 on: February 19, 2013, 10:38:22 AM »
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  • Quote from: bowler
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    ...a local priest .... drew the following scenario for me.  Shortly after Feb. 28 when B16 steps down, +Williamson consecrates a bishop. With a literal sede vacante and no one at the top to set policy, the cardinals go bonkers trying to figure out what the response should be. The press and the Jєωs go wild about the "h0Ɩ0cαųst denier," and the conclave meets surrounded by the firestorm and under pressure from the media. Whoever the conclave elects will have to make his first act something to deal with the mess. Bp. Williamson could hijack the whole conclave and the publicity to promote his Resistance movement.

    ......



    The Resistance is not about publicity stunts or wanting to attract more parishioners to fill our chapels to make us feel self-esteem. The resistance is about operation survival, providing a place of worship for those who seek truth. That was all that Abp. Lefebvre intended to do when he first took up the task.

    Traditionalists have to get over the complex that they have from being different from everyone else in the world. No amount of stunts and smells and bells will change the fact that we are not the same as the rest of the world. If you want to change that, then just become like the Novus Ordo's, and you'll have a full chapel, and lots of friends.

    "What therefore shall we say about these things? If God is for us, who is against us?"

    I was only paraphrasing and so maybe I overstated things. Sorry.

    Still, I don't think it should be completely dismissed as a "stunt" but just responding to circuмstances that develop in NewChurch. ABL used the media very effectively on its own terms to get his message across and to generate interest in the traditionalist battle. +Williamson could do the same thing now. The only question is if the circuмstances are right for what he would do.