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Bp. Williamson rebuking Bergoglio?
« on: October 05, 2013, 12:41:30 AM »
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  • Why hasn't Bp. Williamson publicly rebuked Francis, especially his comments that there is no Catholic God? The mainstream-media would be more than happy to give him, an "αnтι-ѕємιтє," a platform to do some real "resistance."

    Let's pray he receive the necessary graces to do so. :pray:
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    Bp. Williamson rebuking Bergoglio?
    « Reply #1 on: October 05, 2013, 06:47:10 AM »
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  • Frankly, pardon the pun, Bishop Williamson's resistance is completely directed against Bishop Fellay and the SSPX of Menzingen.  


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    Bp. Williamson rebuking Bergoglio?
    « Reply #2 on: October 05, 2013, 09:33:15 AM »
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  • As an ardent Bishop Williamson supporter over the years, I have to say that he is manifesting an incredible dereliction of duty in his silence over Bergoglio and all of his latest revelations. He is so engulfed in the politics of the SSPX that he has lost his sense of pastoral obligation. We have a man, who he claims to be and have the authority of the Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth, Peter, saying that there is no Catholic God and that the way to heaven for an atheist is to obey his own conscience and we're treated to Eleison Comment after Eleison Comment about how the SSPX is falling apart and about "the resistance." How about Catholicism?

    The platform he has is a world wide one and people used to look to these weekly comments for integral Catholicism and use them as a little life raft to stay afloat amongst this flood of modernism, and now it's descended into totally useless musings and speculation about the SSPX, the resistance and expounding upon private revelations.

    For a Bishop such as himself, who has made an episcopal career out of forcefully defending everything he has said by saying he has an obligation to speak about the truth, his silence on Bergoglio is one that is both ear piercing, baffling, disappointing and unacceptable. My personal speculation is that there is no further defense for Bergoglio and he knows it, but yet, he just cannot bring himself admit the obvious, because it would be too devastating for both he and his audience. There is no defense for Bergoglio any longer, and that is obvious by both his and the rest of the SSPX Bishops' silence. This man does not have the Catholic faith, it is plain and simple. He preaches a false doctrine which is not Roman Catholicism.

    As a Bishop who loses no opportunity to cite Archbishop Lefebvre's name in almost every sentence he utters, does Bp Williamson think his role model and mentor would have remained as silent as he has on Bergoglio? I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that if Abp Lefebvre were alive today, he would have called international press conferences to any that would listen to denounce Bergoglio as an imposter, a heretic, a Marxist ideologue imbued with liberation theology and to warn the faithful that he is a false shepherd. His summer of 76' comments on Paul VI would have looked pale in comparison to what he would have had to say on Bergoglio. And he would have done it because he would have known he had an obligation as a Bishop to do so.

    Where is Bp Williamson? I hope and pray he gets back on track, and no better way to do that than to take his obligations seriously, shelf the constant ranting on the SSPX and start preaching about matters of extreme importance such as the man he believes to be the Pope telling Catholics across the globe that seeking to convert others to the one true faith that will save their souls is "solemn nonsense."

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    Bp. Williamson rebuking Bergoglio?
    « Reply #3 on: October 05, 2013, 09:40:41 AM »
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  • h0Ɩ0cαųst DENYING LEFEBVRIST DECLARES POPE AN APOSTATE HERETIC.

    That would make a great headline in the world news, except, I guarantee you you'll never see it, even after Bp. Williamson writes his rebuke, which I'm certain he is preparing. The media will squelch the news, because Francis is their own fabrication.

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    Bp. Williamson rebuking Bergoglio?
    « Reply #4 on: October 05, 2013, 10:32:55 AM »
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    Where is Bp Williamson? I hope and pray he gets back on track, and no better way to do that than to take his obligations seriously, shelf the constant ranting on the SSPX and start preaching about matters of extreme importance such as the man he believes to be the Pope telling Catholics across the globe that seeking to convert others to the one true faith that will save their souls is "solemn nonsense."


    Dare I suggest that he isn't the leader we imagined him to be ? He certainly shirks the role when I have suggested it to him. He has also said as much in some ECs in the not so recent past.
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    Bp. Williamson rebuking Bergoglio?
    « Reply #5 on: October 05, 2013, 03:02:53 PM »
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  • Do you all really think the readers of EC are in danger of being lured in to Pope Francis' way of thinking? Bishop Williamson is writing to his audience which is much more likely to not see the dangers closer to home. He also as much as promised to write about something other than the SSPX next week. I was a little disappointed with that comment. I don't need someone to tell me about what's wrong with Pope Francis, although I do agree that he shouldn't neglect the subject entirely.
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    Bp. Williamson rebuking Bergoglio?
    « Reply #6 on: October 05, 2013, 10:10:02 PM »
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    Frankly, pardon the pun, Bishop Williamson's resistance is completely directed against Bishop Fellay and the SSPX of Menzingen.  


    Yes, and that will be the ruin of the resistance if they do not stop fixating on Bishop Fellay and the SSPX.
    They cannot save it or rehabilitate it.  
    Unless they define a purpose which is greater than a fraternal conflict and move in a direction which will be a true service to the Church and turn to face the cause of the crisis and disconnect from what is now just another example its effectiveness, they will founder and dissolve into the morass of " Traditionalist resisters ".
    Being purposed only with skirmishing against Bishop Fellay and the Society is not enough maintain a long term force. It is time to get off of the sideline spur and onto the mainline track.  
    The errors of the Council are once again issuing forth from Rome and it is irrelevant if they are overtaking the Society, they are once again about to assault the whole of the Catholic world.

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    Bp. Williamson rebuking Bergoglio?
    « Reply #7 on: October 05, 2013, 11:57:15 PM »
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  • I think Bishop Williamson is saving his breath talking about things worth talking about. Franny the Fraud is making himself look foolish. The commenters commenting are not making him look any better. How could they? Could Bishop Williamson make him look worse? Sure! Must he? No, I think Franny is doing a good enough job making a horse's arse out of himself, that he doesn't need Bishop Williamson to help.

    Bishop Williamson's audience is smart enough to know that when you go into the latrine, it stinks. 2+2=4, as they say. I really don't feel he has to say anything about Franny. Franny is doing a great job making himself look like what he is-- an apostate.
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    Bp. Williamson rebuking Bergoglio?
    « Reply #8 on: October 06, 2013, 01:12:24 AM »
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    I think Bishop Williamson is saving his breath talking about things worth talking about. Franny the Fraud is making himself look foolish. The commenters commenting are not making him look any better. How could they? Could Bishop Williamson make him look worse? Sure! Must he? No, I think Franny is doing a good enough job making a horse's arse out of himself, that he doesn't need Bishop Williamson to help.

    Bishop Williamson's audience is smart enough to know that when you go into the latrine, it stinks. 2+2=4, as they say. I really don't feel he has to say anything about Franny. Franny is doing a great job making himself look like what he is-- an apostate.


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    Bp. Williamson rebuking Bergoglio?
    « Reply #9 on: October 06, 2013, 08:30:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    I think Bishop Williamson is saving his breath talking about things worth talking about. Franny the Fraud is making himself look foolish. The commenters commenting are not making him look any better. How could they? Could Bishop Williamson make him look worse? Sure! Must he? No, I think Franny is doing a good enough job making a horse's arse out of himself, that he doesn't need Bishop Williamson to help.

    Bishop Williamson's audience is smart enough to know that when you go into the latrine, it stinks. 2+2=4, as they say. I really don't feel he has to say anything about Franny. Franny is doing a great job making himself look like what he is-- an apostate.


    I don't think the reason for H.E. to speak up about Francis has anything to do with making him 'look bad.'  As you rightly say, he does that on his own.  But let's never forget that the greatest threat to traditionalism is the Novus Ordo.  The neo-cats and the NSSPX would have you believe that it's 'neo-nαzιsm,' disobedience, pride (true, but not the way they consider it), sedevacantism or something else.  Anything but the Novus Ordo.  It's the Novus Ordo that nearly destroyed the Church and continues to try, while leading souls to Hell through indifference and ecuмenism.

    Think we it too obvious a trap to fall into?  Again, look at VII.  Plenty of orthodox men were fooled by the conciliar docuмents and reforms, including our own ABL.  Very few, once they had accepted it, fought it in any meaningful fashion.

    Furthermore, THIS is what Fellay wants to be in communion with!  I mean, if any chapel-goer had doubts about whether or not a union between the SSPX and NewRome was a bad idea, giving him an interview from Francis should help him make up his mind pretty easily.

    But most importantly, this man claims (though barely) to be our Shepherd, and simultaneously destroys our religion and gives us zero reasons to belong to it (atheists go to Heaven if they follow their conscience, there is no Catholic God, I mean c'mon!).  The sheepdogs need to be barking for the sake of us sheep.

    I do not count H.E. 'out' in regards to rebuking this apostate, but I am very anxious for it to happen.  There is more than enough material there, and it certainly wouldn't take any real effort to parse his errors, heresies and blasphemies.  

    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #10 on: October 06, 2013, 08:34:15 AM »
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  • An analysis from a friend of mine.

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    The Indult and Soft-Line SSPX Spin Doctors are hard at work, though.  Is the Pope a Catholic? Well He does not believe in the Catholic God: Father Son and Holy Ghost, three Persons, one being of Infinite Charity, so nope! "Does the Pope Sh*t in the Woods?" is how Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Put it.  Frank can go sh*t in the woods for all I care!


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    « Reply #11 on: October 06, 2013, 08:35:24 AM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    An analysis from a friend of mine.

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    The Indult and Soft-Line SSPX Spin Doctors are hard at work, though.  Is the Pope a Catholic? Well He does not believe in the Catholic God: Father Son and Holy Ghost, three Persons, one being of Infinite Charity, so nope! "Does the Pope Sh*t in the Woods?" is how Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Put it.  Frank can go sh*t in the woods for all I care!


    I think I'd like to meet your friend.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #12 on: October 06, 2013, 08:39:27 AM »
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    As an ardent Bishop Williamson supporter over the years, I have to say that he is manifesting an incredible dereliction of duty in his silence over Bergoglio and all of his latest revelations. He is so engulfed in the politics of the SSPX that he has lost his sense of pastoral obligation. We have a man, who he claims to be and have the authority of the Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth, Peter, saying that there is no Catholic God and that the way to heaven for an atheist is to obey his own conscience and we're treated to Eleison Comment after Eleison Comment about how the SSPX is falling apart and about "the resistance." How about Catholicism?

    The platform he has is a world wide one and people used to look to these weekly comments for integral Catholicism and use them as a little life raft to stay afloat amongst this flood of modernism, and now it's descended into totally useless musings and speculation about the SSPX, the resistance and expounding upon private revelations.

    For a Bishop such as himself, who has made an episcopal career out of forcefully defending everything he has said by saying he has an obligation to speak about the truth, his silence on Bergoglio is one that is both ear piercing, baffling, disappointing and unacceptable. My personal speculation is that there is no further defense for Bergoglio and he knows it, but yet, he just cannot bring himself admit the obvious, because it would be too devastating for both he and his audience. There is no defense for Bergoglio any longer, and that is obvious by both his and the rest of the SSPX Bishops' silence. This man does not have the Catholic faith, it is plain and simple. He preaches a false doctrine which is not Roman Catholicism.

    As a Bishop who loses no opportunity to cite Archbishop Lefebvre's name in almost every sentence he utters, does Bp Williamson think his role model and mentor would have remained as silent as he has on Bergoglio? I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that if Abp Lefebvre were alive today, he would have called international press conferences to any that would listen to denounce Bergoglio as an imposter, a heretic, a Marxist ideologue imbued with liberation theology and to warn the faithful that he is a false shepherd. His summer of 76' comments on Paul VI would have looked pale in comparison to what he would have had to say on Bergoglio. And he would have done it because he would have known he had an obligation as a Bishop to do so.

    Where is Bp Williamson? I hope and pray he gets back on track, and no better way to do that than to take his obligations seriously, shelf the constant ranting on the SSPX and start preaching about matters of extreme importance such as the man he believes to be the Pope telling Catholics across the globe that seeking to convert others to the one true faith that will save their souls is "solemn nonsense."


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    « Reply #13 on: October 06, 2013, 08:43:31 AM »
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    Frankly, pardon the pun, Bishop Williamson's resistance is completely directed against Bishop Fellay and the SSPX of Menzingen.  


    Yes, and that will be the ruin of the resistance if they do not stop fixating on Bishop Fellay and the SSPX. They cannot save it or rehabilitate it.  
     
    Unless they define a purpose which is greater than a fraternal conflict and move in a direction which will be a true service to the Church and turn to face the cause of the crisis and disconnect from what is now just another example its effectiveness, they will founder and dissolve into the morass of " Traditionalist resisters ".

    Being purposed only with skirmishing against Bishop Fellay and the Society is not enough maintain a long term force. It is time to get off of the sideline spur and onto the mainline track.  

    The errors of the Council are once again issuing forth from Rome and it is irrelevant if they are overtaking the Society, they are once again about to assault the whole of the Catholic world.


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    « Reply #14 on: October 06, 2013, 08:45:09 AM »
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    Frankly, pardon the pun, Bishop Williamson's resistance is completely directed against Bishop Fellay and the SSPX of Menzingen.  


    Yes, and that will be the ruin of the resistance if they do not stop fixating on Bishop Fellay and the SSPX.
    They cannot save it or rehabilitate it.  
    Unless they define a purpose which is greater than a fraternal conflict and move in a direction which will be a true service to the Church and turn to face the cause of the crisis and disconnect from what is now just another example its effectiveness, they will founder and dissolve into the morass of " Traditionalist resisters ".
    Being purposed only with skirmishing against Bishop Fellay and the Society is not enough maintain a long term force. It is time to get off of the sideline spur and onto the mainline track.  
    The errors of the Council are once again issuing forth from Rome and it is irrelevant if they are overtaking the Society, they are once again about to assault the whole of the Catholic world.


    Is anyone close to these priests telling them this?