I wanted to make something clear, lest others who may not think this through completely jump on a 'since I want nothing to do with SSPX, I'll just not get the sacraments till +Williamson has a new group who comes to a town near me!'. I hope this isn't the case, but if it is, and you're devoid of the sacraments because of it, please reconsider your position.
I have a few SSPX, CMRI and Independent mass centers around me. I'm not a sede, so don't go to the CMRI for sacraments unless I need to. If they were the only option, I would have no problem with them. The independent priests around here are not concerned with validity, so they're out. Though I am less than impressed, to say the least, with Menzingen and +Fellay groupies, I will still receive the sacraments from the priests at my local Mass centers. They still teach the Faith, they're valid and there's no real reason to stop. Once one of these things changes- then I have a reason to look elsewhere. If you don't have the CMRI or another valid priest in your area, please do the same, and don't cut yourself off from the sacraments!
God Bless Bishop Williamson!
I'm sorry, but I do not understand your intention here. How can the independent
priests not be concerned with validity?
They administer sacraments, but don't care if they are valid?
They say Mass but are unconcerned with whether the hosts are consecrated or not?
They hear confessions but have no concern over the forgiveness of sins?
They baptize but they don't bother to use water because they're unconcerned?
They bless Holy Water but they leave out one word that you think determines
the validity of the blessing and therefore you believe they don't care if the
Holy Water is blessed or not?
Or, are you saying that when you ask them about their ordination as you attempt
to pass judgment on its 'validity' they give you an answer that you misinterpret
as indicating that they MUST NOT be therefore concerned with 'validity' as you
understand it, in your misinformed subjectivist reality?
Please clarify.
Answer, "yes" to the questions you posted above, and this is how they feel about validity (or at least act in such a way)- which is why I do not receive sacraments from them. There are at least two priests at a particular chapel who were not conditionally ordained because the 'head priest' said it was not necessary; on the other hand Bishop Pivarunas offered to conditionally ordain at least one of them. I'll go with Pivarunas on the matter, over the priest who is the most experienced there.
Thank you for your reply.
As I understand it then,
you have decided that "they don't care about validity,"
not because they have specifically told you that they do not care whether the
sacraments they confer are valid or not -- correct?
Because,
they have not told you that, have they? And therefore, it is your own,
personal judgment that you are describing when you made that sentence, "The
independent priests around here are not concerned with validity, so they're out"
-- correct?
When you say "...or at least act in such a way," what you are really saying is,
that you have not had a reasonable conversation with them nor have you given
them the opportunity to explain themselves to you, based on their extensive
training and seminary and dogmatic theology and Church history, and canon law
precedents for the past century, but instead, you have taken it unto yourself to
pass judgment based on vague commentary from others, probably sedevacantists,
who have presumed to judge this issue and hand down to you their own
conclusions, which you have accepted since they have published a book and it's
in print, and Amazon sells it -- correct?
BTW - you can save a lot of money by going to their chapel and buying the book
because it isn't selling very well, they have a HUGE glut of them in storage, and
they don't want to be stuck 'holding the bag,' so it's on
sale!!And yes, I do know this is the "Bp. Williamson May Be Gone, But Ill Still Receive
the Sacraments From SSPX" thread. We're talking about receiving the
sacraments.
Let me put it this way: Would it make a whit of difference to you if Bishop
Williamson were to tell you himself that these priests you are denouncing do
not need "conditional re-ordination?" Or, would you prefer to listen to Bp.
Pivarunas instead of Bp. Williamson?
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