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Offline Giovanni Berto

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We have here an interview from Fr. Fabio Calixto. Ordained in the SSPX in 2010, he left in early 2025. He did not make a public annoucement, as far as I know, so I did not know why he left until today. After the interview, the YouTube channel published a note to answer some questions that were posted on the comments. Below you have the video (you can get English subtitles or an English dubbing on YouTube), the original note and a machine translation of it:



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Para os curiosos que querem saber por que o Padre Fábio Calixto saiu da FSSPX, a resposta é simples e direta: ele se afastou por questões de princípio, especialmente quanto à recusa da Fraternidade em ordenar sub conditione os padres vindos do Novus Ordo — só na Polônia, são 17 sacerdotes nessa situação, nunca reordenados. O mesmo padre, no Seminário de La Reja, fazia as atas de ordenação dos demais sacerdotes e, olhando para trás, viu várias atas de ordenações assinadas como sub conditione. E agora, não se faz mais!

Na questão da ordenação, a posição da Fraternidade já não é mais a do Padre Calderón, o teólogo mais importante da Tradição, que afirma que deveriam sim ser ordenados sub conditione, porque, com os sacramentos, devemos ser tucioristas — ou seja, não podemos ter dúvida alguma, mesmo que mínima.

Soma-se a isso também a ausência de crismas sub conditione. Para dar um exemplo: quando Dom Tissier foi dar crismas na Alemanha, em 2023, perguntou quem havia consagrado os santos óleos. Quando lhe responderam que tinham sido consagrados por Dom Huonder, ele mandou imediatamente buscar os óleos consagrados por ele próprio, que havia trazido. Isso, pasmem, no meio da cerimônia.

Por último, há a aceitação completa e sem ressalvas da Extrema-Unção — chamada pelos modernistas de unção dos enfermos — dada pelos sacerdotes modernos, o que é uma novidade em relação ao que o mesmo padre aprendeu no Seminário de La Reja há mais de 15 anos. Antes, ele havia aprendido que essa unção devia ser administrada novamente, não apenas sub conditione, mas inteiramente, porque haviam sido alterados a matéria, a forma e o sujeito.

E, por fim — como ele mesmo fez questão de deixar claro logo após sua saída — o Padre Fábio não é sedevacantista.

29/05/2025, Festa da Ascensão de Nosso Senhor.



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For those curious about why Father Fabio Calixto left the SSPX, the answer is simple and straightforward: he left on principled grounds, especially regarding the Society's refusal to ordain priests from the Novus Ordo subconditionally—in Poland alone, there are 17 priests in this situation, never reordained. The same priest (Fr. Calixto), at La Reja Seminary, kept the ordination records for other priests and, looking back, saw several ordination records signed as subconditionally. And now, it's no longer done!

On the issue of ordination, the Society's position no longer reflects that of Father Calderón, the most important theologian of Tradition, who asserts that they should indeed be ordained subconditionally, because, with the sacraments, we must be trutiorists—that is, we cannot have any doubt, even the slightest.

Added to this is the absence of conditional confirmation. To give an example: when Bishop Tissier went to perform confirmations in Germany in 2023, he asked who had consecrated the holy oils. When they told him they had been consecrated by Bishop Huonder, he immediately sent for the oils he had consecrated himself, which he had brought. This, amazingly, was in the middle of the ceremony.

Finally, there is the complete and unreserved acceptance of Extreme Unction—called by modernists the anointing of the sick—given by modern priests, which is a departure from what the same priest learned at the La Reja Seminary over 15 years ago. Previously, he had learned that this anointing had to be administered anew, not just sub conditione, but entirely, because the matter, form, and subject had been altered.

And finally—as he himself made clear soon after his departure—Father Fábio is not a sedevacantist.

05/29/2025, Feast of the Ascension of Our Lord.


The most interesting part in my opinion is that Bp. Tissier de Mallerais refused to use Huonder oils for confirmations, as it is described in the note. I did not know this.

While His Excellency never publicly denounced the erros of Bp. Fellay and his party, privately he refused to go along with the madness. May he rest in peace.



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These bishops and priests who go along with the New Sacraments will have a most frightful judgment.  I fear for the bishop who objects privately to the New Rites of the Novus Ordo Church but says nothing publicly.  It is the office of the bishop especially to preach from the Housetops the truth. 
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Thank you Giovanni, this is very interesting and extremely important information. Great post.

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I fear for the bishop who objects privately to the New Rites of the Novus Ordo Church but says nothing publicly.  It is the office of the bishop especially to preach from the Housetops the truth.
Yes, poor Bishop Tissier. One wonders how he could justify it to himself. At least we have this testimony which is certainly not private, and perhaps speaks louder than words... Surely there are videos somewhere, lots of mums with their smartphones if no other. Wouldn't it be great if they came to light?!

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Thank you Giovanni, this is very interesting and extremely important information. Great post.

Agreed!


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This is not surprising to me. +Tissier was always privately against the changes. Well, the majority of them, at least. 
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    Unofficial. Loose translation from the French Audio. 11 minutes.

    Sermon of Bishop Tissier de Mallerais *, Chrism Mass  - 28 March 2024

    In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

        My dear faithful, dear seminarians, and you dear confrères in the priesthood who have come to encircle me at the consecration of these Holy Oils, and then to take them to confer the sacraments in your priories.

        Evidently, we may be astonished that these material elements which the Holy Oils are, the Church prays God that they may be infused of the Holy Ghost, and to bless them with His grace.

      However the Church does not err. Already in the Old Testament Moses, ordered by God, had blessed and consecrated Holy Oils to render holy the things of the tabernacle of the Ancient Alliance, and now the Church in her wisdom, obeying Our Lord Jesus-Christ, asks that the bishop in his diocese, surrounded by his clergy, consecrate the Holy Oils, which we will do by imitation, and by supplication, because in fact, nowadays, it is difficult to surround the diocesan bishop in light of the '70s upheaval of all the rites by Pope Paul VI. Thus We will proceed in this consecration of the Holy Chrism, of the Oil of the Catechumens and the Oil of the Infirm.

        We are encircled by numerous priests and deacons - quite unexpected really! - they are more numerous, stemming from the fact that Mgr. Vitus Huonder, who was to consecrate the Holy Oils with the full accord of the General House of the Fraternity in Zaitzkofen, has suddenly fallen grievously sick...please pray my dear faithful, pray much for him. I believe he is actually in hospital, in Chur, in his former diocese.**

        That said, I will speak a few minutes about the Holy Chrism - this most important Oil, the most worthy Oil that I will consecrate.

        Holy Chrism is composed of olive oil and of balm. Olive oil - it is a vegetable oil and will thereby apply its unctuous properties. Oil enlightens in the small oil lamps, therefore spiritually speaking, oil also enlightens our faith in the divinity of Our Lord Jesus-Christ.  And then, oil enlightens when it burns in the lamp, so spiritually it shines, it burns principally...spiritually it burns all these sins which we have committed, and they will be consumed by the flame of the oil. Finally the oil anoints, which means it is a balm to calm the pains of our wounds from original sin...the three concupicenses of original sin, it will calm by Baptism, not suppress, but diminish the three concupicences of original sin. Voilà. This sums up the effects that the holy, blessed Holy Oil will produce in souls...eventually applied, especially by Baptism.

        Subsequently this olive oil, vegetable oil, has a property of not flowing, and remains fixed to the forehead, or on the head...on an object on which it is applied. It has a special viscosity, which is why we refuse the other vegetable oils lacking these properties.

      Oil. The Church is wise. Furthermore olive oil has very important significations, because it is produced by crushing in an oil press, which signifies the crushing of Our Lord on the cross...the spiritual signification of the crushing of the olives to produce oil. Equally, it thereby evokes the agony of Our Lord Jesus-Christ and His crucifixion, wherein He shed His Blood.

      Then we add some balm. So we will have oil from olives, plus the balm. Balm is a liquid obtained by pressing, obviously, a dry bark, producing a resin.  Resin originating from a dry bark of a tree or shrub, still firmly rooted, so it seems...

      This balm, it is named a "teardrop". Yes, in the Pontifical, the Roman Pontifical Ritual, a “teardrop” from a dry bark, which signifies then the tears of our sins. In particular the tears of St. Mary Magdalen wiping the feet of Jesus with her hair and pouring on His feet the balm which fills the entire house. Well, I think that in fact, this balm expresses the tears of our contrition, and at the same time our lively charity such as was that charity of St. Mary Magdalen, in order to become the "sweet odor" of Jesus-Christ. The baptized, marked by the anointing of the Holy Oil and Balm become the "sweet odor" of Our Lord Jesus-Christ. He receives sanctifying grace which radiates this interior grace, and the character imprinted in his soul and the character of Christ. This character is a spiritual power to accomplish the divine cult as St. Thomas Aquinas mentioned, yes...a simple baptized has himself a mission to accomplish the same - if you please, yes, you the faithful - the divine cult according to the religion of the Christian life, in you please, of the Christian life! In other words ‘your religion, our religion’ as St. Thomas said, well, it is first and foremost the religion of our life, which is likened to an homage, an homage to the Good God, by Baptism. Therein is the role, the spiritual power of the baptized. It is its character. He will not consecrate the host - that is the privilege of the priest of course, nevertheless he will dedicate his life, consecrate his life to God.  Voilà! every single day by his virtues, the actions of his virtues.

        Voilà my dear faithful, the beautiful properties of the Holy Oils blended with balm  applied spiritually to the souls, because the sacraments are sensible signs that produce the effect that they signify. Voilà!

        So, for the baptized, the Holy Chrism reproduces these effects. It is utilized equally for the consecration of bishops, if you please, plus the consecration of chalices and of patens which hold - the chalice, the Precious Blood; the paten, the Body of Our Lord Jesus-Christ. You notice that the Church willfully consecrates these objects, particularly sacred, utilized in the sacrament of the Eucharist...which matter is, please realize this! – (is) are the Holy Species  of bread and wine that persevere after the consecration, I recall to your mind, in plain sight of the priest, after the consecration, thus he beholds the holy Host under the appearance of bread, and in the chalice the wine with the appearance of wine, and these appearances of the bread and the wine, distinct and separated from each other, signifies...realizes exteriorly the separation, spiritually speaking, mysteriously, the separation of the Body and Blood of Jesus during His passion...During His passion... present, distinct, separated on the altar after the consecration, produces, according to the divine acceptation, and divine institution, spiritually, a renewal...mysterious, of the sacrifice of the Cross on the altar.

      Voilà! Therefore my dearest confrères, admire the divine Providence of God Who has instituted these great Sacraments, beginning with Baptism to the greatest of the sacraments - the Blessed Eucharist - in order to sanctify our souls, to purify them of sin, and to merit for us eternal life. Amen.

    In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

    * R.I.P. +Monseigneur Tissier de Mallerais, Sept 14, 1945 - October 8, 2024 AD.

    ** R.I.P. April 21,1942 – April 3, 2024








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    Unofficial. Loose translation from the French Audio. 11 minutes.

    Sermon of Bishop Tissier de Mallerais *, Chrism Mass  - 28 March 2024

    Mgr. Vitus Huonder, who was to consecrate the Holy Oils with the full accord of the General House of the Fraternity in Zaitzkofen, has suddenly fallen grievously sick...please pray my dear faithful, pray much for him. I believe he is actually in hospital, in Chur, in his former diocese.**
        
    Thanks TD, very interesting.

    I find it peculiar that Bishop Tissier would emphasise that Bishop Huonder was to consecrate the Holy Oils by decree of the General House, especially since he had already done so the previous year. It's almost as if to say "It was their decision, not mine, I take no responsibility"?


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    Thanks TD, very interesting.

    I find it peculiar that Bishop Tissier would emphasise that Bishop Huonder was to consecrate the Holy Oils by decree of the General House, especially since he had already done so the previous year. It's almost as if to say "It was their decision, not mine, I take no responsibility"?
    Add to the mix that + Tissier had refused "Bishop" Huonder's Holy Oils, it does sound very intriguing. The flip side is that + Tissier might have been ordered to accept +Huonder as a valid consecrator from the top brass, but how many neoSspx questioned the Huonder oils?..  and then preaching that everything is approved by Zaitzkofen...so "don't make such a big deal/controversy going forward."  Trust us. 
       This Chrism Mass was in Econe, and +T is very surprised by the number of priests/ deacons who showed up. In reality, it was supposed that +Huonder was to consecrate.   Why were there so many clergy present all of a sudden? Was it to show unalloyed support for + Tissier? No one knows the percentage that are "keeping quiet in the ranks" members. 
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