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Author Topic: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX  (Read 22113 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2019, 10:35:54 AM »
If 2 Bidhops are indeed consecrated by tacit Papal mandate in and for the Church, they will according to Catholic doctrine receive ordinary jurisdiction upon being so appointed.

False.  Mandate does not equal ordinary jurisdiction.

Offline Matthew

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Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2019, 10:37:56 AM »
False.  Mandate does not equal ordinary jurisdiction.
Ladislaus is right.
With all due respect XavierSem, you need to spend a few more years in the Seminary to learn a bit more before you presume to teach others. Ladislaus, myself, and a few others on CI spent more time in the seminary than you, plus we are decades older, so we've added quite a bit to that foundation of knowledge as well.


Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2019, 10:40:39 AM »
Tell you what, Ladislaus. You do it your way. We'll do it our way. And we'll see who gets there first. May the best men win. And we really mean that.

If you can't see you're setting yourself up for failure if you want to secede completely from Rome (apart from that being incompatible with Roman Catholic ecclesiology in the first place; and the defined Church dogma at Vatican I of Rome's primacy of jurisdiction), then suit yourself. Tradition won't triumph in Rome by our running away from it. Do we wish it to triumph there or not?

Matthew, no doubt you have more experience than me. And Bp. Fellay and the Society leaders have more experience than any of us. I choose to trust them. We will agree to disagree.

Edit: This is Bp. Fellay on the Society Bishops after the Year of Mercy: "As a result of the Pope’s act, during the Holy Year, we will have ordinary jurisdiction. In the image I mentioned, this has the effect of giving us the official insignia of firefighters, whereas such a status was denied us for decades. In itself, it adds nothing new for the Society, its members, or its faithful. Yet this ordinary jurisdiction will perhaps reassure people who are uneasy or others who until now did not dare to approach us. For, as we said in the communiqué thanking the Pope, the priests of the Society wish for one thing only: “To perform with renewed generosity their ministry in the confessional, following the example of untiring devotion that the saintly Curé of Ars gave to all priests.”

https://fsspx.org/sites/sspx/files/lfb_85.pdf

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #63 on: March 08, 2019, 10:50:50 AM »
+Fellay's reference to ordinary jurisdiction is specifically in the context of Confession ... and has absolutely nothing to do with a mandate for episcopal consecration.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #64 on: March 08, 2019, 10:51:31 AM »
What exactly is a "tacit" mandate anyway?