Author Topic: Bp. Fellays own private seer (Read 4753 times)

hollingsworth · « **on:** July 20, 2016, 03:41:00 PM »

Meg asks on another thread: Is it possible that Bp. Fellay has been influenced by a seer (Marian?) of some sort? I seem to recall that he's been influenced in the past. That's all that I can think of that might account for his strange stance, and that he doesn't address the obvious contradiction.

Thanks, Meg, for the lead-in to a new topic, which, I think, may help to answer your question.

Just this morning my attention was directed to the Spanish online source Non Possumus. Meg’s suspicions, I think, are well confirmed in recent articles appearing there. Some of you know Spanish, and your knowledge will be greatly enriched by reading this material. Others will just have to take my word for what follows. My Spanish isn’t great, but I think I can give you all a brief introduction to a smattering of its contents. English translations are often provided for blog content anyway.

It seems that back in 1995(?) Bp. Fellay was introduced to a (self-proclaimed?) woman mystic, who went by the pseudonym ‘Madame Rossinier.’ Her real name was Germaine Connaz. She’s dead now. Anyway, a youg Swiss priest, Father Lovey, made the introductions. ( He is the son, reportedly, of the man who originally convinced Abp Lefebvfre to consecrate +F as a bishop.)

Fr. Lovey tells us that the mystic’s writings over a period of 22 years were compiled into 21 “Notebooks,” which served, along with other works, to inspire the activities of an already existing (?) diocesan movement called ‘Homes of Christ-Priest.’ Clumsy sounding, I know, but that’s how I translate its name out of Spanish.

+Fellay, apparently, was quite taken by the woman. In a Letter to Friends and Benefactors #51 in 1996, he encouraged families to join this “magnificent work.” Evidently, this “mensajera del Cielo,” this “privilegiada del Cielo,” conveyed to the Superior General a very attractive message, viz. that SSPX was the chosen instrument by which God would eventually restore the Church to her ancient, pre-Conciliar orthodox tradition. The idea most certainly appealed to +Fellay, and, it appears, he swallowed the mystic’s blandishments hook line and sinker.

Later, in 1998, in No. 60 of Cor Unum, +Fellay wrote “in terms full of conviction enthusiasm,” what amounted to a full endorsement of Madame Rossinier’s “divine messages.” Yes, he recognized that they fell into the category of private revelation. But, golly, when one merely scratched a bit under the surface of them, one was confronted with a “treasure of grace.”

He assured the faithful that her mystic works were “invested with sufficient authenticity that they might have no doubt (about them).” He encouraged the faithful to “accept with thanksgiving” the “gift” which her writings offered to them.

This is not hearsay. This stuff is in print. +Fellay has left a clear paper trail. I encourage folks to go to Non Possumus at http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/

Click on specific articles on the subject:
http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2016/07/madame-rossiniere-monsenor-fellay-y-la.html
http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2013/09/monsenor-fellay-y-madame-rossiniere-un.html
http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2013/09/la-fsspx-y-madame-rossiniere-el.html

Several priests tried to warn Bp. Fellay about what a phony this woman was. They include Fathers Ortiz and Joly, who paid an unannounced and unexpected visit to Madame Rossinier one day at her home. They said that she came to the door in blue jeans and a “cigarro” (cigarette?) draped from her mouth(?). The woman'sTV blared in the background. These priests reported the rather unusual circuмstances of their visit to Bp. Fellay, who, reportedly, took Fr. Lovey to task, but quickly reinstated him.

(Non Possumus (NP) reminds the reader, in amusement, how the SG remonstrated with the three bishops, when, earlier, they warned him of agreeing to any practical accord with Rome. He had accused them, then, of not having a “supernatural” outlook on things.)

Bp. Fellay was peruaded that after near 30 years of the Society’s existence, the objectives of the Archbishop had still not been realized. They were, at that point, confused, perhaps, lacking a certain precision and exactitude. He thought, apparently, that the seer’s influence would help propel the Society towards the clear achievement of the still, somewhat inchoate, earlier goals of the late Archbishop. Her writings, he thought, would help disperse the mists of "imprecision" still hovering over the Society.

In Cor Unum,Message of April 16, 1998 ,Pg. 54,we discover that the seer’s “mystic inspirations” would “mark the beginning of the realization of the mission of the Fraternity.” It would be “as a (new) Pentecost in the work of Msgr. Lefebvfe.” It would be “as a field of wheat in spring, the church will germinated a new life in the world… the moment is near when everything will begin to bear fruit.”

Shades of the store front evangelist haranguing his awestruck congregation with mesmerizing language!

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2016, 04:09:34 PM »

I don't think +Fellay has been influenced by a seer; I think he is using the seer to influence the society. I think +Fellay wants the sspx under rome and he's trying every trick he can to make it happen. Trial and error, trial and error. He's not going to stop until the deal is done.

Meg · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2016, 04:30:45 PM »

Good find, Holli!

So there is a possibility that Bp. Fellay has been influenced by this seer, Madame Rossiniere.

I've only had time to view the first link so far, and it's quite recent. I used the google translate icon at near the top of the page so that it reads in English. It quotes Madame Rossiniere as saying in 1998:

"The Brotherhood has been designated to be the instrument of the restoration of tradition." (Message of1M 1998, Cor Unum 60,Suppl. P. 55)

And further down the page, there's a quote from a recent (not sure how recent exactly) communication from Fr. Couture, District Superior of Canada. He writes:

"Let me be a little more extensive this month, in order to present some of the prophetic announcements of the Virgin on the crisis of the priesthood and the priestly society to come to the rescue of the Church in their darkest hours."

I'll look at the other links when I have some time later.

Meg · « **Reply #3 on:** July 20, 2016, 07:38:38 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

Meg asks on another thread: Is it possible that Bp. Fellay has been influenced by a seer (Marian?) of some sort? I seem to recall that he's been influenced in the past. That's all that I can think of that might account for his strange stance, and that he doesn't address the obvious contradiction.

Thanks, Meg, for the lead-in to a new topic, which, I think, may help to answer your question.

Just this morning my attention was directed to the Spanish online source Non Possumus. Meg’s suspicions, I think, are well confirmed in recent articles appearing there. Some of you know Spanish, and your knowledge will be greatly enriched by reading this material. Others will just have to take my word for what follows. My Spanish isn’t great, but I think I can give you all a brief introduction to a smattering of its contents. English translations are often provided for blog content anyway.

It seems that back in 1995(?) Bp. Fellay was introduced to a (self-proclaimed?) woman mystic, who went by the pseudonym ‘Madame Rossinier.’ Her real name was Germaine Connaz. She’s dead now. Anyway, a youg Swiss priest, Father Lovey, made the introductions. ( He is the son, reportedly, of the man who originally convinced Abp Lefebvfre to consecrate +F as a bishop.)

Fr. Lovey tells us that the mystic’s writings over a period of 22 years were compiled into 21 “Notebooks,” which served, along with other works, to inspire the activities of an already existing (?) diocesan movement called ‘Homes of Christ-Priest.’ Clumsy sounding, I know, but that’s how I translate its name out of Spanish.

+Fellay, apparently, was quite taken by the woman. In a Letter to Friends and Benefactors #51 in 1996, he encouraged families to join this “magnificent work.” Evidently, this “mensajera del Cielo,” this “privilegiada del Cielo,” conveyed to the Superior General a very attractive message, viz. that SSPX was the chosen instrument by which God would eventually restore the Church to her ancient, pre-Conciliar orthodox tradition. The idea most certainly appealed to +Fellay, and, it appears, he swallowed the mystic’s blandishments hook line and sinker.

Later, in 1998, in No. 60 of Cor Unum, +Fellay wrote “in terms full of conviction enthusiasm,” what amounted to a full endorsement of Madame Rossinier’s “divine messages.” Yes, he recognized that they fell into the category of private revelation. But, golly, when one merely scratched a bit under the surface of them, one was confronted with a “treasure of grace.”

He assured the faithful that her mystic works were “invested with sufficient authenticity that they might have no doubt (about them).” He encouraged the faithful to “accept with thanksgiving” the “gift” which her writings offered to them.

This is not hearsay. This stuff is in print. +Fellay has left a clear paper trail. I encourage folks to go to Non Possumus at http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/

Click on specific articles on the subject:
http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2016/07/madame-rossiniere-monsenor-fellay-y-la.html
http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2013/09/monsenor-fellay-y-madame-rossiniere-un.html
http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2013/09/la-fsspx-y-madame-rossiniere-el.html

Several priests tried to warn Bp. Fellay about what a phony this woman was. They include Fathers Ortiz and Joly, who paid an unannounced and unexpected visit to Madame Rossinier one day at her home. They said that she came to the door in blue jeans and a “cigarro” (cigarette?) draped from her mouth(?). The woman'sTV blared in the background. These priests reported the rather unusual circuмstances of their visit to Bp. Fellay, who, reportedly, took Fr. Lovey to task, but quickly reinstated him.

(Non Possumus (NP) reminds the reader, in amusement, how the SG remonstrated with the three bishops, when, earlier, they warned him of agreeing to any practical accord with Rome. He had accused them, then, of not having a “supernatural” outlook on things.)

Bp. Fellay was peruaded that after near 30 years of the Society’s existence, the objectives of the Archbishop had still not been realized. They were, at that point, confused, perhaps, lacking a certain precision and exactitude. He thought, apparently, that the seer’s influence would help propel the Society towards the clear achievement of the still, somewhat inchoate, earlier goals of the late Archbishop. Her writings, he thought, would help disperse the mists of "imprecision" still hovering over the Society.

In Cor Unum,Message of April 16, 1998 ,Pg. 54,we discover that the seer’s “mystic inspirations” would “mark the beginning of the realization of the mission of the Fraternity.” It would be “as a (new) Pentecost in the work of Msgr. Lefebvfe.” It would be “as a field of wheat in spring, the church will germinated a new life in the world… the moment is near when everything will begin to bear fruit.”

Shades of the store front evangelist haranguing his awestruck congregation with mesmerizing language!

Really good info and summary above. The second of the three links above has something very strange. You may have read it already. It concerns how Madame Rossiniere wanted to impose a certain charism (as in charismatic) to the Society.

In the conclusion section, the author writes:

"Madame Rossiniere, lays a foundation of a charismatic priest movement in the fraternity, because one hand the priests of this group would seek their sanctification in a particular grace linked to the immersion in the writings [of] Madame Rosinierre, and partly because this group, imbued with the ideas of the "privileged soul of Heaven" possessing an "irresistible" charisma, and absolutely necessary for the accomplishment of the mission of the Fraternity."
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That Bishop Fellay could give credence to this supposed seer is very odd.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #4 on:** July 20, 2016, 07:48:56 PM »

Meg:

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That Bishop Fellay could give credence to this supposed seer is very odd.

Odd as it may be there are, apparently numbers of priests who would testify that he did just that. What is more, his own cited writings indicate that he was almost, or completely, taken in by her.

Meg · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2016, 07:58:03 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

Meg:
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That Bishop Fellay could give credence to this supposed seer is very odd.

Odd as it may be there are, apparently numbers of priests who would testify that he did just that. What is more, his own cited writings indicate that he was almost, or completely, taken in by her.

That he was taken in by her means that he has a serious problem with proper judgment. I guess the question is....to what extent is Bp. Fellay still influenced by Madame Rossiniere? He does use some of the same language as Madame Rossiniere to describe how the SSPX will "save" the Church.

I wonder if any of her writings are somewhere on the internet? They probably won't be in English, though.

noOneImportant · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2016, 08:08:59 PM »

I remember hearing rumors that the seer had something to do with the rosary crusades, but I couldn't tell you where I heard it or how credible that rumor was unfortunately.

cathman7 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2016, 08:15:28 PM »

So now we have two "seers"?:

(1) Madame Rossiniere
(2) Dawn Marie

TKGS · « **Reply #8 on:** July 20, 2016, 08:16:04 PM »

Quote from: Meg

That he was taken in by her means that he has a serious problem with proper judgment.

I would like to nominate this for the "Understatement of the Year".

mw2016 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 20, 2016, 08:30:01 PM »

Quote from: Meg

That he was taken in by her means that he has a serious problem with proper judgment.

Ya think??

He has devastated the Society and had a mutiny on his watch that cost him about 100 priests, and you are asking if he has poor judgment?

Meg · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2016, 05:53:48 AM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

This is not hearsay. This stuff is in print. +Fellay has left a clear paper trail. I encourage folks to go to Non Possumus at http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/

For those who may be interested, Bishop Williamson's latest Eleison Comments is located at the above link, about halfway down the page. The American flag near the top of the page will need to be clicked to translate it into English.

Meg · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2016, 06:02:20 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: Meg
That he was taken in by her means that he has a serious problem with proper judgment.

I would like to nominate this for the "Understatement of the Year".

True, that.

TKGS · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2016, 06:57:35 AM »

Quote from: Meg

Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: Meg
That he was taken in by her means that he has a serious problem with proper judgment.

I would like to nominate this for the "Understatement of the Year".

True, that.

:wink:

Wessex · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2016, 12:26:11 PM »

The only thing influencing the bishop is hard cash. The religious angle masks his mercenary nature and nothing is ruled out that keeps the income streams flowing. Building property portfolios, chasing widows' funds and claiming a percentage of the wages of the dumb cannot be a better cash cow short of printing money and turning oneself into a charity. If the pot can be spiced by securing some special Roman connection, the balance sheet could see some phenomenal growth.

History is peppered with strange women and some clerics of the unmarried kind like to suggest they possess supernatural attributes in addition to their biological and domestic roles. I would say if they have to rely heavily on quirky inventiveness to prop up religious belief, they must feel confident that from time to time the faithful will respond to 'messages' from beyond. Church life can be boring and tedious I suppose for those not counting the material profits. Occasional unexplained happenings can be a boon.

Geremia · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2016, 02:37:02 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

Later, in 1998, in No. 60 of Cor Unum, +Fellay wrote “in terms full of conviction enthusiasm,” what amounted to a full endorsement of Madame Rossinier’s “divine messages.” Yes, he recognized that they fell into the category of private revelation.

Does "private revelation" contain anything contrary to Revelation?