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Offline Sienna629

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Rome quits dialog with SSPX
« Reply #90 on: July 11, 2013, 01:48:20 PM »
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    Soon sspx will become another pseudo traditional Latin mass under liberal no.    Recently on the feast of Corpus Cristi. Nuns on bus came into our area with zero resistance.  One nun who looks mannish preached from the pulpit about social and economic justice.  She back Obama care and had spoke at democratic national convention where they booed God.   Then not to far by no trad Latin mass on Feast of Corpus Christi.   And not one peep from pro life groups.


    I'm just wondering what will happen when the resistance splits into those who are truly resisting and those, like Fr. Morgan who are not resisting enough?

    It's gonna be like that Mickey Mouse cartoon in Fantasia where he chops up the brooms and they keep splitting and spawning new clones.  Eventually they will have to buy timeshare in the chapels to be viable.




    I'm already seeing the division.  Staunch, long-time defenders of the
    Faith are taking sides with +F and others are raising questions.  The
    former don't want to hear the questions and say, "This doesn't do
    anyone any good to discuss these things."  

    It's not only within the walls of SSPX chapels.  This affects all of
    Catholic Tradition!!

    When the latter point out that we just went through this 40 years
    ago with the aftermath of Vat.II when you and your forbears were
    so eager to hold fast to Tradition
    and now, given the same challenge
    you're taking sides with the liberals like HEBF*, they just don't want
    to discuss it.  At most, they make it an ad-hominem and say, "What
    about you?  Why are you so against +Fellay?  What have you done
    wrong yourself?  What makes you so 'holier than thou'?"

    Small chapels are forming two groups, those for and those against.
    And HEBF is the top dog of the divisiveness, while he blames the
    Resistance for this division that would not exist without his agenda
    of making a 'deal' with modernist Rome.

    They just don't see what's happening to themselves.  They have
    their hearts set on persons and not on principles.  Their loyalties are
    on individuals with whom they place their trust;  and since these key
    figures have sided with HEBF, so too do those who follow them.

    HEBF will go down in history as the man who drove a wedge into the
    very heart of the remnant so as to divide it.  And 30 years from now,
    or maybe even less, like 10 for example, it's likely to happen all over
    again, with each of the Resistance survivors choosing which side to
    go with, and it might have a new leader - not HEBF but someone who
    is now a product of the Resistance - someone you'd never suspect.  

    This division cuts across all people:  rich and poor, religious and lay,
    black and white, Asian and European, man and woman, young and old,
    husband and wife, family and foreigner.  The ultimate end is to make
    it into the Godly vs. the Godless.



    *His Eagerness B. Fellay




    That's exactly how it is playing out in our Chapel. The "long-time defenders" got comfortable and were not keeping abreast of things.


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    Rome quits dialog with SSPX
    « Reply #91 on: July 11, 2013, 01:52:15 PM »
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    Ja! Ja! Seriously, Incred: Where is the letter of expulsion? Has it been posted somewhere? Many thanks!


    This was posted at http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2011/10/letter-from-bishop-fellay-to-bishop.html . I can't vouch for its authenticity.

    Letter from Bishop Fellay to Bishop Williamson

    23 September, 2011

    Your Excellency,

    I would be happy to invite you to the SSPX Superiors’ meeting to be held in Albano early in October, as the nature and composition of the meeting has been somewhat changed because of current events. I would also be happy to send you a text from Rome to which they want a reply. However, I find myself obliged to attach conditions to each of these points.

    Firstly, as to the text, I ask of you an oath in writing that you will communicate to nobody either the text or its content. Too often in the past you have lacked discretion, so I am obliged to submit you to a procedure of this kind, which I am not happy to have to do.

    Secondly, as to the meeting in Albano, I can only invite you to attend insofar as you stop publishing Eleison Comments. You have already been given the reason several times, as you have been given the order to stop. You considered that for the sake of the preaching and defence of the Faith you needed pay no attention, on the pretext that nobody had the right to stop a bishop from fulfilling his duty to preach and defend the Faith. But such preaching and defence of the Faith are inserted in concrete circuмstances which may well call for superiors to intervene. Besides, no other bishop of the SSPX publishes a circular letter and considers himself thereby hindered from expressing himself.

    Moreover the consequences of your attitude are harmful to the SSPX: you ooze distrust towards SSPX headquarters and the Superior General. You cannot help yourself communicating this feeling to those around you. No revolution could do a better job of undermining authority… and this you do in the name of a supposed possible betrayal on the part of the Superior General… That is very serious.

    Especially when a certain number of indications show that your action is not confined to theory:

    1 To an Argentinian priest from the Novus Ordo who asks for your advice, you recommend that he should not join the SSPX.

    2 To an American layman you write that the apostasy of the mainstream Church is farther advanced than that of the SSPX. How can you write such things, false and unjust, against the Society of which you are still a member?

    3 There exists in Anglo-saxon circles a network of infiltrators of the SSPX preparing a break-away. You are put forward as the head of this movement, you are the friend of its leaders and you are playing their game.

    And you talk to us of being double tongued! As for the unity of the SSPX, the one most putting it in danger is yourself, your Excellency! Always in the name of defense of the Faith. In such a grave moment as the confrontation now taking place between ourselves and the Holy See, the outcome of which will be decisive for our own future and not without consequences for the entire Church, I ask you then, once more, to remain silent until further orders. If you were to refuse to heed this directive, it would mean both your not being invited to the Albano meeting and the starting of the canonical procedure leading to exclusion from the SSPX. So I await your reply.

    All of this is most sad, and it has nothing to do with the confrontation just mentioned, whatever you may think. The loss of one of its bishops is one of the worst things that could happen to the SSPX. It depends entirely on you to spare it such a misfortune. Do believe, your Excellency, in my fervent prayers to the Sacred Heart of Jesus,
    BpF.


    I can't say I am surprised that people are asking about this Letter now or hearing about it for first time. All par for the course in SSPX circles.


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    Rome quits dialog with SSPX
    « Reply #92 on: July 11, 2013, 02:01:17 PM »
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    It seems to me that John Grace is quite serious.  He is not given
    to exaggeration.  What he observes in Ireland has a spillover effect
    across the globe.  I know an Irish priest who is of the same mind,
    and thinks the Resistance Catholics "are not working with a full deck,"
    or they're "one brick short of a load."  He's holding back
    because he really wants to say, "the lunatic fringe."




    What do we care if they call us names? This type of intimidation only builds resolve, as they will see.

    Besides, I've noticed some very intelligent people in the Resistance, especially amongst the clergy.

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    Rome quits dialog with SSPX
    « Reply #93 on: July 11, 2013, 03:34:19 PM »
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    It's fair to say most Districts now have a Resistance Chapel/Mass Centre. ..... With a resistance chapel now in most Districts and countries, I would have to question why laity remain with the SSPX.


    In all fairness, you must remember that the US is a wee bit bigger than Ireland, so to say we have a Resistance Chapel doesn't mean that it is within reasonable driving distance for everyone.





    Yes, it's nice to know that Ireland has a Resistance chapel.  

    The closest thing to that I have near me is an Irish pub where
    they play Irish folk music.  Now, while the music is nice and
    very enjoyable, and even for someone like me who has never
    been to the Emerald Isle, it is in knowing Irish people that
    the enchantment of the Isle has been brought to me.  

    Oh, I have flown over Ireland twice.  It's very green down there,
    from 30,000 feet up.

    Time was Ireland supplied priests and nuns for planet earth. Now,
    what we see and hear is an occasional brogue, a drinking song,
    a step dance, or an Australian Irish ballad, like "If We Only Had
    Old Ireland Over Here."


    BTW you can read all about it over HERE.

    We should be encouraging Resistance Mass centers, for there
    are many people who might be willing to attend if they only knew
    of one nearby.  But as it is, for numerous people in the western
    USA, it is a 5 hour drive or more, to the closest one.  So it's an
    all day event, and the fuel tank eats up $120.00 if you get 20
    MPG.  Some cars get less than that.  At some point, it's cheaper
    to fly an airplane to Mass.  At least it's more time efficient.

    We have a lot more so-called independent chapels, and we have
    CMRI too.  So for the moment, we scrape by..

    ..while the hungry beast of the Apocalypse breathes down our
    collective necks.





    Sometimes it seems to be a fire-breathing dragon......................







    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . St. George, pray for us.



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