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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Matthew on October 25, 2021, 10:40:20 PM
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From the Mailbag --
I asked [priest's name redacted] if, when he talked about Bishop Fellay having been jαßßεd, if that was conjecture or known fact. He replied that it's public knowledge, and "it's the only way he's free to travel the world as he does". So I tried to search CathInfo for anything about this and your search engine showed that the most recent mention of "fellay" on CathInfo was November 11, 2016. That was simply putting that name in the search bar and setting the sort by "latest first". Am I doing something wrong? Have you seen or heard any information regarding +F getting the jαß?
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A friend told me that a friend of his in France said that an SSPX priest said from the pulpit that all three SSPX bishops have taken the jab. This is still hearsay I guess.... time will tell.
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A friend told me that a friend of his in France said that an SSPX priest said from the pulpit that all three SSPX bishops have taken the jab. This is still hearsay I guess.... time will tell.
Are you joking?
You gotta be messing around... "A friend of a friend's barber said that his wife's uncle said that an anonymous priest said that all three bishops took the jab."
That's basically what your post sounds like. Satire.
P.S. The original e-mail in the Mailbag mentioned the priest's name. I redacted it for confidentiality.
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I think the priest in question (whose name was redacted in the OP) is correct: there is no way any of the 3 bishops would be able to freely travel, especially to certain countries, without taking the sterilizing, murder-abortion poison jab.
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Are you joking?
You gotta be messing around... "A friend of a friend's barber said that his wife's uncle said that an anonymous priest said that all three bishops took the jab."
That's basically what your post sounds like. Satire.
P.S. The original e-mail in the Mailbag mentioned the priest's name. I redacted it for confidentiality.
I can delete my post if you want. I do not have any further details.
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That's not necessary.
I just wanted to make it clear I wasn't falling for it, if it was satire. That's all.
P.S. If you're talking about deleting your own post(s), you must be very new to CathInfo.
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It is currently mandatory that, to enter France from America, you must be jabbed.
So, if you hear of anyone flying from the US to France, they took the shot.
Same with Canada by the end of October.
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I think the priest in question (whose name was redacted in the OP) is correct: there is no way any of the 3 bishops would be able to freely travel, especially to certain countries, without taking the sterilizing, murder-abortion poison jab.
They sold out quickly or took a placebo Then received a kickback for promoting the jab.
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Or misery likes company. Sspx should have had a bishop in each company by now. The fact it doesn’t, it suppressed itself because the goal was to rejoin Rome all along. There was no evangelizing taking place. Many Catholics left Vatican II for Protestant religions. Most people didn’t know Sspx existed.
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A bishop in each country.
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Father Chazal says that he heard from an SSPX priest that +Galarreta had taken the jab. But EU regulations are such that they could not travel outside their own country without the jab. I don’t believe that there’s a test out option. If this is true, the SSPX are morally compromised ... even more ... and God could very well punish them by taking their bishops away, leaving the Resistance and Thuc /Mendez lines as the only game in town. I wonder if Bergoglio would give them a bishop or just let the SSPX die. Imagine if they had to come crawling to Bishop Williamson for a bishop.
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Or maybe they were effeminate cowards using travel as an excuse
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A bishop in each country.
When people were arguing against +Dolan consecrating a relatively young man, I said basically the same thing. Not only bishops all around but emergency priests. We’re on the precipice of having to operate only underground. We’re one more fake plandemic away from losing access to the Sacraments. But the Trad clergy refuse to act. They should find even ex seminarians with some training and ordain them as simplex priests not to function publicly until SHTF ... in which case their duty would be to bring the Sacraments everywhere. In a lockdown, how many souls will be lost due to lack of Sacraments on their death bed? But that’ll never happen. So I advise everyone to go through your diocese’s “Directory of Clergy” and find a list of all the retired pre-V2-ordained priests and also Eastern Rite priests. Even IF you have a priory near you ... since those will likely be locked down and SSPX will not have the cojones to defy the lockdown.
What’s needed are clandestine priests such behind the Iron curtain so that they can function secretly ... even in FEMA camps.
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Bp Fellay took the COVID jab?
No surprise to me, of course he took the jab, and the same for Bp. Galareta. I would be surprised if Tissier de Mallerais took it. The officialstans of the SSPX is that you can take the shot, that it is no big deal.
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No surprise to me, of course he took the jab, and the same for Bp. Galareta. I would be surprised if Tissier de Mallerais took it. The officialstans of the SSPX is that you can take the shot, that it is no big deal.
That was me.
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No surprise to me, of course he took the jab, and the same for Bp. Galareta. I would be surprised if Tissier de Mallerais took it. The official stance of the SSPX is that you can take the shot, that it is no big deal. They officially gave in and are telling their followers to do the same.
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A priest in France said to me, “But if it is necessary to take the vaccine in order to minister to souls, are we simply to abandon them?”
I responded, “In the time of Henry VIII, clandestine priests infiltrated England at mortal peril to themselves, in order to minister to souls. Today, there is no such peril yet, and you will need to follow their example.”
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A priest in France said to me, “But if it is necessary to take the vaccine in order to minister to souls, are we simply to abandon them?”
I responded, “In the time of Henry VIII, clandestine priests infiltrated England at mortal peril to themselves, in order to minister to souls. Today, there is no such peril yet, and you will need to follow their example.”
That is a good response. I would have added: "Why do you give up so easily and assume there is only two options, take the jab or abandon souls? Encourage all the laity to unite against the communist overloads and come up with ways to fight against these evil men."
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A priest in France said to me, “But if it is necessary to take the vaccine in order to minister to souls, are we simply to abandon them?”
I responded, “In the time of Henry VIII, clandestine priests infiltrated England at mortal peril to themselves, in order to minister to souls. Today, there is no such peril yet, and you will need to follow their example.”
If it's morally illicit, it's morally illicit. For Catholics, the ends do not justify the means. Now, if it were only a case of risking one's health, I could see making a case for that. But either he's begging the question and assuming there's no issue with the abortion link, or else he's implying ends justify the means reasoning. I've seen too much ends-justify-the-means thinking among Traditional clergy here, and if there's one principle that sets Catholic moral theology aside from every other moral/ethic system, it's that one tenet.
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That is a good response. I would have added: "Why do you give up so easily and assume there is only two options, take the jab or abandon souls? Encourage all the laity to unite against the communist overloads and come up with ways to fight against these evil men."
Exactly.
If it's morally illicit, it's morally illicit. For Catholics, the ends do not justify the means.
Exactly.
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Now, if it were only a case of risking one's health, I could see making a case for that.
But there aren't 🅱️axx that do not test using the abortion cells and not even use the cells for its production?
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But there aren't 🅱️axx that do not test using the abortion cells and not even use the cells for its production?
No. All jabs are involved in abortion.
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All the SSPX bishops are GMOs now. They have forfeited their souls and are no longer human. We are being led by zombies.
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But there aren't 🅱️axx that do not test using the abortion cells and not even use the cells for its production?
Well, for the most part. I believe that the Chinese jabs actually do not use aborted fetal cells. Not sure which ones they got. I believe the Chinese ones are also traditional viruses, with attenuated virus, rather than mRNA or even viral vector.
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If someone is going to accuse someone of taking the abortion death jab (especially a Bishop), he had better be able to scrounge up some evidence to prove it.
So far, all I have seen is presumption that SSPX bishops are traveling to countries where only the Vaxed are permitted to enter, or 2nd-3rd hand rumors.
What I want to see is, “Bishop so-and-so flew from A to B on such and such a date, and by that time country X only allowed jabbed international travelers to enter (citing government law to that effect).”
It’s the least someone should do before making a grave accusation.
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I heard Father Robinson said that of the hundred or so SSPX priests in the US, only three took the vaxx. And now all the bishops have taken it? So the fish rots from the head, but the simple priests are still not as corrupted. Of course I hope none of the Bishops have taken it and these are just false rumors.
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Well, for the most part. I believe that the Chinese jabs actually do not use aborted fetal cells. Not sure which ones they got. I believe the Chinese ones are also traditional viruses, with attenuated virus, rather than mRNA or even viral vector.
Wouldn't that make these kind of jabs less problematic?
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Wouldn't that make these kind of jabs less problematic?
They are using one of these vaccines here in Brazil, so I bothered to read about it.
It turns out that they are more like a regular viral vaccine, but they are tested in the aborted baby cells, so, in the end, it makes no difference.
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They are using one of these vaccines here in Brazil, so I bothered to read about it.
It turns out that they are more like a regular viral vaccine, but they are tested in the aborted baby cells, so, in the end, it makes no difference.
The famous Coronavac/Vachina, isn't it? I saw they tested in aborted baby cells too. Terrible.
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The famous Coronavac/Vachina, isn't it? I saw they tested in aborted baby cells too. Terrible.
Yes, the Coronavac. I didn't know that it was famous/infamous.
There have been way less reports of damage from this particular vaccine when compared to Pfizer, AstraZeneca, etc.
I am not saying that it is any good, but it seems to be not as bad as the others.
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Yes, the Coronavac. I didn't know that it was famous/infamous.
There have been way less reports of damage from this particular vaccine when compared to Pfizer, AstraZeneca, etc.
I am not saying that it is any good, but it seems to be not as bad as the others.
I'm BR, so it's kinda "famous" here obviously kek
Yes, some say that Coronavac is "bad" because it lacks "more protection" like other vaccines, but don't seem to harm the organism as the Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, etc.
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Well, for the most part. I believe that the Chinese jabs actually do not use aborted fetal cells. Not sure which ones they got. I believe the Chinese ones are also traditional viruses, with attenuated virus, rather than mRNA or even viral vector.
It has to be some sort of irony that the PRC jabs might be the least morally compromising. It is close to funny really. Obviously none of these jabs for the hoax virus is the best response of all.
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So I tried to search CathInfo for anything about this and your search engine showed that the most recent mention of "fellay" on CathInfo was November 11, 2016.
https://www.google.com.br/search?q=site:cathinfo.com+Fellay
https://www.google.com.br/search?q=site:cathinfo.com+Fellay+jabbed
CathInfo search seems broken. Google finds comments from 2019, 2020, 2021, while CathInfo search only lists much older entries.
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There are morally acceptable vaccines:
https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/
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None of this is moral.
God made your body.
Man has corrupted it by creating and spreading this disease. The SSPX should be going after truth and justice to hold communists responsible for crimes against humanity. No one at this time really needed to travel. Yes, why didn’t the SSPX prepare for such an emergency???
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None of this is moral.
God made your body.
Man has corrupted it by creating and spreading this disease. The SSPX should be going after truth and justice to hold communists responsible for crimes against humanity. No one at this time really needed to travel. Yes, why didn’t the SSPX prepare for such an emergency???
Father Cacqueray cited this from the Catechism of Trent:
"Those who lead a life in conformity with the precepts of the Lord abstain from all the remedies which God has not destined for this end; even if they were assured of being cured by this means, they would not fail to abhor them as artifices and enchantments of the devil.
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There are morally acceptable vaccines:
https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/
Yes, in particular the Covaxin from India. Nevertheless, it is my understanding that since they're not approved by the FDA/CDC, they don't "count" towad the jab requirement in the US. I recall hearing that somewhere. In any case, if these bishops / priests got the non-compromised jabs, then I could definitely see making a case for it ... when the faithful would require the Sacraments ... but not really for a speaking tour.
I've discussed this elsewere that if I had the option of taking a jab like Covaxin, which is an attenuated virus jab, assuming they'e not lying about it, I would feel morally required to take it to continue supporting my family. In essence, it's the equivalent of catching COVID naturally.
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Yes, in particular the Covaxin from India. Nevertheless, it is my understanding that since they're not approved by the FDA/CDC, they don't "count" towad the jab requirement in the US. I recall hearing that somewhere. In any case, if these bishops / priests got the non-compromised jabs, then I could definitely see making a case for it ... when the faithful would require the Sacraments ... but not really for a speaking tour.
I've discussed this elsewere that if I had the option of taking a jab like Covaxin, which is an attenuated virus jab, assuming they'e not lying about it, I would feel morally required to take it to continue supporting my family. In essence, it's the equivalent of catching COVID naturally.
Accepted COVID-19 Vaccines:
Pfizer-BioNTech
Moderna
AstraZeneca
Covaxin
Covishield
BIBP/Sinopharm
Sinovac
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/proof-of-vaccination.html
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Father Cacqueray cited this from the Catechism of Trent:
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"Those who lead a life in conformity with the precepts of the Lord abstain from all the remedies which God has not destined for this end; even if they were assured of being cured by this means, they would not fail to abhor them as artifices and enchantments of the devil.
Does this mean Catholics are not to avail themselves to modern medicine even for the morally-permissible ones? This is opening a can of worms!
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they have zero trust in God. The seminaries are full of sodomites and other perverts! Can you say Idaho?
Nothing is going to change. It will only get worse.
Catholic leadership is leading the way to mortal sin including the jab and nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.
The SSpX conference will be all talk while wining and dining. Just a elite new world traditional Catholic get together.
There should be rosary rallies outside that conference to end sodomy out of seminaries and to man up and start protesting the jab which will murder the sheep.
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From the Mailbag --
He replied that it's public knowledge, and "it's the only way he's free to travel the world as he does".
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No, there's another way. He could have a really good fake vax card.
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No, there's another way. He could have a really good fake vax card.
Except that this guy can’t even prove any traveling has been done!
He’s pretty sloppy.
Show an instance of Fellay flying into a country that has a vaccine requirement, or shut up.
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they have zero trust in God. The seminaries are full of sodomites and other perverts! Can you say Idaho?
Nothing is going to change. It will only get worse.
Catholic leadership is leading the way to mortal sin including the jab and nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.
The SSpX conference will be all talk while wining and dining. Just a elite new world traditional Catholic get together.
There should be rosary rallies outside that conference to end sodomy out of seminaries and to man up and start protesting the jab which will murder the sheep.
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What a wretched slander. Shame on you.
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they have zero trust in God. The seminaries are full of sodomites and other perverts! Can you say Idaho?
Sure. I-da-ho. Now what?
Are you talking about the Novus Ordo? Then I agree with you. Just read "Goodbye, Good Men."
But the SSPX doesn't have a seminary in Idaho.
Are you referring to the SSPX sodomy scandal in Post Falls? That didn't involve the clergy. The victims and perpetrators were the boys themselves, with possible influence from layman(men).
https://cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sodomy-scandal-in-post-falls-id-sspx-immaculate-conception-academy
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Accepted COVID-19 Vaccines:
Pfizer-BioNTech
Moderna
AstraZeneca
Covaxin
Covishield
BIBP/Sinopharm
Sinovac
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/proof-of-vaccination.html
In that case, there's no evidence that the SSPX bishps took the abortion-tainted jab. Nevertheless, their lack of clarification in that regard causes scandal. if they took a jab, they need to publicly state that they received that untainted by abortion, lest they condone receiving the ones associated with abortion.
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Does this mean Catholics are not to avail themselves to modern medicine even for the morally-permissible ones? This is opening a can of worms!
If I undestand the quote correctly, then it's referring to taking medicines that are morally impermissible. I believe that the antecedent of the term "that end" is living in conformity with the precepts of the Lord.
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:incense:
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So, 4 pages in, and nobody can prove Fellay has visited a country requiring the jab.
Slop thread should be deleted.
The priest in the OP SPREADING UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMORS should be ashamed of himself.
His message is presumption from start to end.
He should know better.
If he’s going to say something like that, he should give specifics, so we can at least verify it’s true (what country did he visit, when, and then link to the passport requirements).
Is that so hard?
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So, 4 pages in, and nobody can prove Fellay has visited a country requiring the jab.
Slop thread should be deleted.
The priest in the OP SPREADING UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMORS should be ashamed of himself.
His message is presumption from start to end.
He should know better.
If he’s going to say something like that, he should give specifics, so we can at least verify it’s true (what country did he visit, when, and then link to the passport requirements).
Is that so hard?
Pretty much every country requires the jab for travelling to. I hardly think it can be doubted that +Fellay travels outside is home country. It's probably quite likely that he took the jab. But it's unknown which one he took, since many of the non-ATV jabs are available in parts of Europe, and some of those are non-mRNA. If he took ones of those, I'd have no real issue with it.
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The SSPX leadership has promoted the jab as an act of charity. The local priests in the US at least are almost all against it. Since Fellay is among the leadership who say the taking the jab is an act of charity, it is reasonable to assume that he has taken it, even if we can not be certain, because he has no moral objection to it and it would make his life far far easier.
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Pretty much every country requires the jab for travelling to. I hardly think it can be doubted that +Fellay travels outside is home country. It's probably quite likely that he took the jab. But it's unknown which one he took, since many of the non-ATV jabs are available in parts of Europe, and some of those are non-mRNA. If he took ones of those, I'd have no real issue with it.
Total nonsense.
There are many countries which require no covid passport (see list in follow-up post below).
But that doesn't matter, because the best the slanderers can do is PRESUME Fellay MUST be traveling to some country where it is required.
Yet not a single shred of evidence to back it.
Save me your feelings, instincts, and presumptions, and give me your EVIDENCE.
If you can't provide any, it might be well to reflect upon why that is.
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The SSPX leadership has promoted the jab as an act of charity. The local priests in the US at least are almost all against it. Since Fellay is among the leadership who say the taking the jab is an act of charity, it is reasonable to assume that he has taken it, even if we can not be certain, because he has no moral objection to it and it would make his life far far easier.
Save the conjecture, and give me the EVIDENCE.
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This chart was current as of October 28: https://www.movehub.com/blog/countries-using-covid-passports/
It shows 52 countries which required no covid passport at that time.
Which countries have COVID-19 passports so far?
Skip to table end (https://www.movehub.com/blog/countries-using-covid-passports/#mvhub-table-skip-after-0)
Country
Do you need a COVID-19 vaccination passport?
Afghanistan
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Albania
✔
Algeria
✖
Andorra
✔
Angola
✖
Antigua and Barbuda
✔
Argentina
✔
Armenia
✔
Australia
✖
Austria
✔
Azerbaijan
✔
Bahamas
✖
Bahrain
✔
Bangladesh
✔
Barbados
✔
Belarus
✔
Belgium
✔
Belize
✔
Benin
✖
Bhutan
✔
Bolivia
✖
Bosnia and Herzegovina
✔
Botswana
✖
Brazil
✖
Brunei
✔
Bulgaria
✔
Burkina Faso
✔
Burundi
✖
Côte d'Ivoire
✖
Cabo Verde
✔
Cambodia
✔
Cameroon
✖
Canada
✔
Central African Republic
✖
Chad
✔
Chile
✔
China
✔
Colombia
✔
Comoros
✖
Congo
✖
Costa Rica
✔
Croatia
✔
Cuba
✔
Cyprus
✔
Czechia
✔
Democratic Republic of the Congo
✔
Denmark
✔
Djibouti
✔
Dominica
✔
Dominican Republic
✔
Ecuador
✔
Egypt
✔
El Salvador
✔
Equatorial Guinea
✔
Eritrea
✔
Estonia
✔
Ethiopia
✔
Fiji
✔
Finland
✔
France
✔
Gabon
✔
Gambia
✔
Georgia
✔
Germany
✔
Ghana
✖
Greece
✔
Greenland
✔
Grenada
✔
Guatemala
✔
Guinea
✔
Guinea-Bissau
✖
Guyana
✔
Haiti
✖
Holy See (Vatican)
✔
Honduras
✔
Hungary
✔
Iceland
✔
India
✔
Indonesia
✔
Iran
✔
Iraq
✔
Ireland
✔
Israel
✔
Italy
✔
Jamaica
✔
Japan
✔
Jordan
✔
Kazakhstan
✔
Kenya
✖
Kiribati
✖
Kuwait
✔
Kyrgyzstan
✔
Laos
✔
Latvia
✔
Lebanon
✔
Lesotho
✖
Liberia
✖
Libya
✖
Liechtenstein
✔
Lithuania
✔
Luxembourg
✔
Madagascar
✖
Malawi
✖
Malaysia
✔
Maldives
✔
Mali
✔
Malta
✔
Marshall Islands
✖
Mauritania
✖
Mauritius
✔
Mexico
✖
Micronesia
✖
Moldova
✔
Monaco
✔
Mongolia
✔
Montenegro
✔
Morocco
✔
Mozambique
✖
Myanmar
✖
Namibia
✖
Nauru
✖
Nepal
✔
Netherlands
✔
New Zealand
✔
Nicaragua
✖
Niger
✖
Nigeria
✔
North Korea
✖
Northern Macedonia
✔
Norway
✔
Oman
✔
Pakistan
✔
Palau
✔
Palestinian State
✔
Panama
✔
Papua New Guinea
✔
Paraguay
✔
Peru
✖
Philippines
✔
Poland
✔
Portugal
✔
Qatar
✔
Romania
✔
Russia
✔
Rwanda
✔
Saint Kitts and Nevis
✔
Saint Lucia
✔
Saint Vincent and Grenadines
✔
Samoa
✔
San Marino
✔
Sao Tome and Principe
✖
Saudi Arabia
✔
Senegal
✔
Serbia
✔
Seychelles
✔
Sierra Leone
✔
Singapore
✔
Slovakia
✔
Slovenia
✔
Solomon Islands
✔
Somalia
✖
South Africa
✖
South Korea
✔
South Sudan
✖
Spain
✔
Sri Lanka
✔
Sudan
✖
Suriname
✔
Sweden
✔
Switzerland
✔
Syria
✖
Taiwan
✖
Tajikistan
✔
Tanzania
✖
Thailand
✔
Timor-Leste
✔
Togo
✖
Tonga
✔
Trinidad & Tobago
✔
Tunisia
✔
Turkey
✔
Turkmenistan
✔
Tuvalu
✖
Uganda
✔
Ukraine
✔
United Arab Emirates
✔
United Kingdom
✔
United States
✖
Uruguay
✔
Uzbekistan
✖
Vanuatu
✔
Venezuela
✖
Vietnam
✔
Yemen
✖
Zambia
✔
Zimbabwe
✖
Skip to table start (https://www.movehub.com/blog/countries-using-covid-passports/#mvhub-table-skip-before-0)
*Please note that this table will change constantly, so you should consult the embassy or government website of your chosen country before you travel.
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Save the conjecture, and give me the EVIDENCE.
I am not trying to prove anything. I have not seen the evidence because Fellay to my knowledge has not said if he took it or not. So I do not say for sure either way. All I have is the SSPX articles that came down from above (from the nest he is a big bird in) that said the vax was okay and even an act of charity. So if it is an act of charity, it seems most likely that he has taken it if that is what he believes. If he has taken it he must know that most of the priests and laity are against him. And if he has not, perhaps he fears retribution from the world or the big donors. So either way he has good reason to keep it secret.