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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: Bp Fellay took the COVID jab?
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2021, 07:49:05 AM »
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    • No surprise to me, of course he took the jab, and the same for Bp. Galareta. I would be surprised if Tissier de Mallerais took it. The official stance of the SSPX is that you can take the shot, that it is no big deal. They officially gave in and are telling their followers to do the same.
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    Re: Bp Fellay took the COVID jab?
    « Reply #16 on: October 26, 2021, 07:49:33 AM »
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    • A priest in France said to me, “But if it is necessary to take the vaccine in order to minister to souls, are we simply to abandon them?”

    I responded, “In the time of Henry VIII, clandestine priests infiltrated England at mortal peril to themselves, in order to minister to souls.  Today, there is no such peril yet, and you will need to follow their example.”
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    Re: Bp Fellay took the COVID jab?
    « Reply #17 on: October 26, 2021, 12:02:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 26, 2021, 07:49:33 AM
    A priest in France said to me, “But if it is necessary to take the vaccine in order to minister to souls, are we simply to abandon them?”

    I responded, “In the time of Henry VIII, clandestine priests infiltrated England at mortal peril to themselves, in order to minister to souls.  Today, there is no such peril yet, and you will need to follow their example.”
    That is a good response. I would have added: "Why do you give up so easily and assume there is only two options, take the jab or abandon souls?  Encourage all the laity to unite against the communist overloads and come up with ways to fight against these evil men."
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    Re: Bp Fellay took the COVID jab?
    « Reply #18 on: October 26, 2021, 12:07:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 26, 2021, 07:49:33 AM
    A priest in France said to me, “But if it is necessary to take the vaccine in order to minister to souls, are we simply to abandon them?”

    I responded, “In the time of Henry VIII, clandestine priests infiltrated England at mortal peril to themselves, in order to minister to souls.  Today, there is no such peril yet, and you will need to follow their example.”

    If it's morally illicit, it's morally illicit.  For Catholics, the ends do not justify the means.  Now, if it were only a case of risking one's health, I could see making a case for that.  But either he's begging the question and assuming there's no issue with the abortion link, or else he's implying ends justify the means reasoning.  I've seen too much ends-justify-the-means thinking among Traditional clergy here, and if there's one principle that sets Catholic moral theology aside from every other moral/ethic system, it's that one tenet.
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    Re: Bp Fellay took the COVID jab?
    « Reply #19 on: October 26, 2021, 12:12:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on October 26, 2021, 12:02:34 PM
    That is a good response. I would have added: "Why do you give up so easily and assume there is only two options, take the jab or abandon souls?  Encourage all the laity to unite against the communist overloads and come up with ways to fight against these evil men."
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    If it's morally illicit, it's morally illicit.  For Catholics, the ends do not justify the means. 
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    Re: Bp Fellay took the COVID jab?
    « Reply #20 on: October 26, 2021, 12:26:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 26, 2021, 12:07:24 PM
    Now, if it were only a case of risking one's health, I could see making a case for that.
    But there aren't 🅱️axx that do not test using the abortion cells and not even use the cells for its production?
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    « Reply #21 on: October 26, 2021, 12:36:40 PM »
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    But there aren't 🅱️axx that do not test using the abortion cells and not even use the cells for its production?
    No.  All jabs are involved in abortion.
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    « Reply #22 on: October 26, 2021, 12:39:00 PM »
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    • All the SSPX bishops are GMOs now. They have forfeited their souls and are no longer human. We are being led by zombies.
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    Re: Bp Fellay took the COVID jab?
    « Reply #23 on: October 26, 2021, 12:42:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on October 26, 2021, 12:26:58 PM
    But there aren't 🅱️axx that do not test using the abortion cells and not even use the cells for its production?

    Well, for the most part.  I believe that the Chinese jabs actually do not use aborted fetal cells.  Not sure which ones they got.  I believe the Chinese ones are also traditional viruses, with attenuated virus, rather than mRNA or even viral vector.
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    Re: Bp Fellay took the COVID jab?
    « Reply #24 on: October 26, 2021, 12:48:02 PM »
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    • If someone is going to accuse someone of taking the abortion death jab (especially a Bishop), he had better be able to scrounge up some evidence to prove it.

    So far, all I have seen is presumption that SSPX bishops are traveling to countries where only the Vaxed are permitted to enter, or 2nd-3rd hand rumors.

    What I want to see is, “Bishop so-and-so flew from A to B on such and such a date, and by that time country X only allowed jabbed international travelers to enter (citing government law to that effect).”

    It’s the least someone should do before making a grave accusation.
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    « Reply #25 on: October 26, 2021, 12:53:20 PM »
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    • I heard Father Robinson said that of the hundred or so SSPX priests in the US, only three took the vaxx. And now all the bishops have taken it? So the fish rots from the head, but the simple priests are still not as corrupted. Of course I hope none of the Bishops have taken it and these are just false rumors. 
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    Re: Bp Fellay took the COVID jab?
    « Reply #26 on: October 26, 2021, 01:01:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 26, 2021, 12:42:14 PM
    Well, for the most part.  I believe that the Chinese jabs actually do not use aborted fetal cells.  Not sure which ones they got.  I believe the Chinese ones are also traditional viruses, with attenuated virus, rather than mRNA or even viral vector.
    Wouldn't that make these kind of jabs less problematic?
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    Re: Bp Fellay took the COVID jab?
    « Reply #27 on: October 26, 2021, 01:25:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on October 26, 2021, 01:01:57 PM
    Wouldn't that make these kind of jabs less problematic?
    They are using one of these vaccines here in Brazil, so I bothered to read about it.

    It turns out that they are more like a regular viral vaccine, but they are tested in the aborted baby cells, so, in the end, it makes no difference.
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    Re: Bp Fellay took the COVID jab?
    « Reply #28 on: October 26, 2021, 01:41:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on October 26, 2021, 01:25:34 PM
    They are using one of these vaccines here in Brazil, so I bothered to read about it.

    It turns out that they are more like a regular viral vaccine, but they are tested in the aborted baby cells, so, in the end, it makes no difference.
    The famous Coronavac/Vachina, isn't it? I saw they tested in aborted baby cells too. Terrible.
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    Re: Bp Fellay took the COVID jab?
    « Reply #29 on: October 26, 2021, 01:45:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on October 26, 2021, 01:41:09 PM
    The famous Coronavac/Vachina, isn't it? I saw they tested in aborted baby cells too. Terrible.
    Yes, the Coronavac. I didn't know that it was famous/infamous.

    There have been way less reports of damage from this particular vaccine when compared to Pfizer, AstraZeneca, etc.

    I am not saying that it is any good, but it seems to be not as bad as the others.
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