Author Topic: Bp. Fellay to SSPX members (June 28) Released July 16 (Read 4110 times)

Meg · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2016, 05:17:03 PM »

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In this communique of Bp. Fellay, he makes a couple of references to the Cross as being the world's axis.

I don't recall ever reading or hearing of the Cross as the world's axis. What sort of reference or meaning does it have regarding Catholicism?

No, that is not what Bishop Fellay means. He is not talking litterally, about a material or physical axis. He means that the Cross is at the center of the history of mankind. And he doesn't mean it in terms of number of years either, but in terms of importance. And he is absolutely right, of course. So what he means is that during Christendom, say, roughly, from Constantine to the French Revolution, most of the known world was believing in Christ and saw Him as the King of Kings, and this became more and more reflected in social life and laws. Starting with the Renaissance, and especially with the Protestant Revolt, society became more and more man-centered, and this was reflected in social life and laws.

This is what he means when he says that there has been a shift from a Cross-centered world to a man-centered one.

I appreciate your explanation. I've not ever heard of this before. Is this idea about the Cross as the world's axis traditional? Has it been referenced by saints or theologians, do you happen to know?

As I said, Meg, it is not to be taken as a material or physical axis of the world, but a spiritual one. Indeed, the Redemption by the Cross is at the center of Revelation, borth the Old and New Testaments and Tradition. St. Paul is basically repeating it over and over in his epistles. But I will give you this one quote, as I don't have time to search for more:

"Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father, that all fulness should dwell; and through him to reconcile all things unto himself, making peace through the blood of his cross, both as to the things that are on earth, and to the things that are in heaven." (Colossians, 1, 19-20)

Thank you, Patricius. You're interpretation of St. Paul is a good one, but it doesn't mention any reference to any Catholic teaching specifically about Christ's Cross as the World's axis. I really just was hoping that someone could offer this exact phrase in a Catholic teaching context. So far, that's not been provided. Maybe this phrase has a European Catholic context, but not an American one.

It's not really a big deal. The phrase just seems odd to me. And I can't find anything in doing a Google search for the phrase except for New-Age references. Oh, and in his last interview, Bp. Fellay looked a bit out-of-it, a bit zombie-like. Maybe he was just over-tired.

Meg · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2016, 05:46:54 PM »

For the record, I'm actually more concerned about other things said by Bp. Fellay in this communication. That Bp. Fellay can believe that the most extreme modernist pope ever, who hates tradition, could use the SSPX to restore the faith and tradition in the Church is beyond bizarre. It's rediculous. And Bp. Fellay doesn't explain the inherent contradiction. How can the other two SSPX bishops, as well as SSPX priests look at that and not be appalled?

Meg · « **Reply #17 on:** July 20, 2016, 11:39:33 AM »

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For the record, I'm actually more concerned about other things said by Bp. Fellay in this communication. That Bp. Fellay can believe that the most extreme modernist pope ever, who hates tradition, could use the SSPX to restore the faith and tradition in the Church is beyond bizarre. It's rediculous. And Bp. Fellay doesn't explain the inherent contradiction. How can the other two SSPX bishops, as well as SSPX priests look at that and not be appalled?

Yes, this is the most important to consider: the blindness and wishful thinking of the General Superior of the most important of Tradition's congregations. He is beyond any possibility of being convinced by any rational argument. He has the bit between the teeth, and there is no stopping him until he has pulled the SSPX wagon back to Rome's dirty stables.

What can cause such blindness? I don't understand it at all. It's very strange that he seems to be so sure that the SSPX will be protected, and that the Pope is on the side of the SSPX.

Is it possible that Bp. Fellay has been influenced by a seer (Marian?) of some sort? I seem to recall that he's been influenced in the past. That's all that I can think of that might account for his strange stance, and that he doesn't address the obvious contradiction.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #18 on:** July 20, 2016, 03:40:29 PM »

Maybe +Fellay isn't blind, but knows exactly what he's doing? Maybe his contradictions are not accidents? Maybe they are meant to confuse and tempt?

As Sherlock Holmes always said: "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

It is impossible that +Fellay continues to make contradictory statements, regarding tradition and modernism, day after day, year after year, by accident.... ESPECIALLY when such comments are not whimsical, or "off the cuff", but are prepared statements, reviewed, thought-out and pre-meditated. It is impossible that these statements are accidental.

Ergo, they are on purpose. Now what is the purpose? The following are the only probable conclusions:

1. He is a modernist, who doesn't realize he is one, and who does not see the contradiction. In this case, he is more dangerous than an actual modernist because he like a drunk person behind the wheel - totally unpredictable and homicidal, except you don't know he's drunk. Yet, you continue to let him drive, even though he's swerving all over the road, because he tells you "he's fine". At some point, you need to force him to stop driving or else you will die with him.

2. He is a modernist, who believes that the society should be 'under rome', at whatever the cost. In this case, he cannot be trusted because he cares not for Truth or tradition and is an outright heretic. He is like a person behind the wheel who intentionally drives off a cliff and TELLS YOU HE WILL DRIVE OFF THE CLIFF - a murderer.

Regardless of which he is, +Fellay cannot be trusted and should be gotten rid of immediately. Or, those that "go along for the ride" will suffer the consequences.

cathman7 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 20, 2016, 03:56:33 PM »

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For the record, I'm actually more concerned about other things said by Bp. Fellay in this communication. That Bp. Fellay can believe that the most extreme modernist pope ever, who hates tradition, could use the SSPX to restore the faith and tradition in the Church is beyond bizarre. It's rediculous. And Bp. Fellay doesn't explain the inherent contradiction. How can the other two SSPX bishops, as well as SSPX priests look at that and not be appalled?

Yes, this is the most important to consider: the blindness and wishful thinking of the General Superior of the most important of Tradition's congregations. He is beyond any possibility of being convinced by any rational argument. He has the bit between the teeth, and there is no stopping him until he has pulled the SSPX wagon back to Rome's dirty stables.

What can cause such blindness? I don't understand it at all. It's very strange that he seems to be so sure that the SSPX will be protected, and that the Pope is on the side of the SSPX.

Is it possible that Bp. Fellay has been influenced by a seer (Marian?) of some sort? I seem to recall that he's been influenced in the past. That's all that I can think of that might account for his strange stance, and that he doesn't address the obvious contradiction.

Possibly. There was a "seer" in the late 1990s, in Switzerland, that Bp Fellay trusted. She was backed heavily by the Swiss District Superior at the time, Fr. Lovey. Bp Fellay talked praisingly of her to SSPX members via the internal bulletin (Cor Unum). As far as I can remember, she was advocating a sort of special Order of Priests of Christ Victim or something. This was to be some kind of spiritual association opened to SSPX priests willing to follow the spirituality "revealed" by the Sacred Heart to that "seer". She said that the SSPX was the special instrument for the triumph of Christ the King, or something along those lines.

In any case, two Society priests, one of them Fr. Daniel Joly, now deceased, paid an unannounced visit to her flat. When she opened the door, she was in pants, smoking a cigarette, and the tv set was on. The priests reported to Bp Fellay and other SSPX seniors, and the whole thing went up in smoke. Bp Fellay then demoted Fr. Lovey. I have never heard that Bp Fellay apologized for misleading the Society. Maybe he did. I don't know.

Now, whether his belief of today, as exemplified in his June 28th statement is the result of this "apparition", or whether this "apparition" was initially approved by him because it corresponded to his personal belief in the first place, it is hard to say. But there is certainly a similarity between the statement and the "apparition".

If Bishop Fellay was naive to trust this "seer" then he is naive to trust the Romans.