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Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: InDominoSperavi on October 13, 2012, 08:25:02 AM
Gentiloup from the french forum named Un évêque s'est levé (link on my website)read a confidential letter that Bp Fellay sent the superiors of districts. In this letter, Bp Fellay tells Bp Williamson that he gives him 10 days to close his website, to apologize, to promise that he will not criticize any more. Otherwise, he will be expelled from the society. Tomorrow is the last of the 10 days, says Gentiloup...
Avec l'Immaculée (http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/search/label/Ultimatum%20de%20Mgr%20Fellay%20%C3%A0%20Mgr%20Williamson%20%3F)
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Elmer Fudd on October 13, 2012, 09:04:58 AM
If this does happen, then I'm withdrawing my financial support of the SSPX.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 13, 2012, 09:23:17 AM
It's worth noting Patricia Mc Keever, editor of 'Catholic Truth' is at a conference in Ireland today. A noted critic of Bishop Williamson. For months Mc Keever and others having been causing trouble in Scotland putting Fr Morgan and others under terrible pressure.

On a point of principle, I certainly didn't attend the conference based on their attack on the Bishop and Fr Morgan.

I'm sorry the Fatima Centre, Ireland have given her a platform and invited her given her attack on the Bishop and Fr Morgan.Whose side are they on? A line has been drawn in the sand and at this stage, people must take a side and a position.
http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/FLYERCORKCONFERENCEOCT2012.pdf
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Father David Sherry SSPX
Crisis in the Church-Crisis in the Faith-Crisis in the Mass


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Patricia McKeever, Editor, Catholic Truth
Democracy in the Church & The Role of the Laity
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 13, 2012, 09:36:05 AM
Quote from: Elmer Fudd
If this does happen, then I'm withdrawing my financial support of the SSPX.


They are not deserving of any financial support. I'd give money to priests who are anti but would need to establish where exactly the money goes?
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: InDominoSperavi on October 13, 2012, 09:46:16 AM
Father Chazal told us that he and fr Pfeiffer were going to do a website and to organize everything when they come back in America, around the 15th October. So I suppose that he will organize the financial support. I suppose that if everything about Bp Williamson is true, Bp Williamson might join them soon in America and of course, we'll support them and all the priests that will want to follow Bp Williamson.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 13, 2012, 09:49:57 AM
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11107&view=getnewpost
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It would be a suicidal move on Bishop Fellay's part.


Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Francisco on October 13, 2012, 09:52:12 AM
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Elmer Fudd
If this does happen, then I'm withdrawing my financial support of the SSPX.


They are not deserving of any financial support. I'd give money to priests who are anti but would need to establish where exactly the money goes?


Absolutely correct. Money management is most important, or the laity's funds will go from the frying pan into the fire.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 13, 2012, 09:55:43 AM
Previously, when the Bishop was threatened with expulsion, the laity in Ireland formed a long line to speak with the priests after Mass. A French priest stationed in Ireland at the time was left ashen faced. He was really shaken by the support for the Bishop.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Skunkwurxsspx on October 13, 2012, 10:08:18 AM
Quote from: InDominoSperavi
Gentiloup from the french forum named Un évêque s'est levé (link on my website)read a confidential letter that Bp Fellay sent the superiors of districts. In this letter, Bp Fellay tells Bp Williamson that he gives him 10 days to close his website, to apologize, to promise that he will not criticize any more. Otherwise, he will be expelled from the society. Tomorrow is the last of the 10 days, says Gentiloup...
Avec l'Immaculée (http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/search/label/Ultimatum%20de%20Mgr%20Fellay%20%C3%A0%20Mgr%20Williamson%20%3F)


Thank you for the heads-up, InDominoSperavi.

Forceful and decisive . . . only if Bishop Fellay had been so in dealing with modernist Rome! . . . But no.

What is with him??? . . . The NSSPX is admittedly not going to sign any deals with new Rome (at least for the time being), and, according to Fr. Chazal, they're seriously "back-peddling" on the issues.

Would it then not serve Menzingen's "alleged" desire for unity within the Society to seek genuine healing by at least inviting the resistance priest members over to speak their minds and hearts freely and openly in order to hear them out fully without the threat of sanctions?

Wouldn't that be a great fatherly gesture on the part of Bishop Fellay?

I mean, isn't that what a TRUE leader would do who is not afraid of the truth?

What a wasted opportunity for genuine healing and reconciliation!

As far as Bishop Williamson, my preference had been for him to remain within the official structures of the NSSPX so that he might exercise his influence more directly and perhaps one day even ascend to a position of great influence (take Bishop Fellay's current job).

Now that we're seeing the cookie crumble the "other" way with this latest development (sad though it be), it fuels my speculations/hopes that things might be hastened for the Vienna Five to get their first bishop after all.      

Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Ethelred on October 13, 2012, 11:38:55 AM
If this is true, and it smells like Bp Fellay's usual actions, then the good Bishop Williamson could finally be expelled from the Neo-SSPX "very, very" soon.
For sure the Neo-SSPX can't join New-Rome as long as Bishop Williamson is a formal member. Because the good shepherd always throws a monkey wrench into the works of the New-Roman and Menzingen modernists. They must be "very, very" angry on him. :-)

During the last years the brave bishop resisted Menzingen's desperate efforts to eliminate his blessed opus Dinoscopus. I think it's likely that continues his important Eleison Comments, because he and many others know well that it's the last voice of a true Catholic Bishop hearable all over the world in five important world languages. Read weekly by (hundreds of?) thousands readers worldwide. He also knows that the days we can use the Internet are numbered, so... why stop it now!

So, if the good Bishop should be expelled from the Neo-SSPX, what would he do? I think there's a possibility that he would join the US resistance around Fathers Pfeiffer, Chazal and the others. Even if the Bishop stayed in England (which would be great for us Europeans :-) , he could join them logistically. Which would attract more priests from the world to join the True-SSPX, and well, finally they would get a true bishop.

Well, we will see. God bless Bishop Williamson and all the other truth-loving clerics like Fr. Chazal, Fr. J. Pfeiffer, Fr. Ringrose, Fr. Weinzierl, Fr. Meramo, and many more.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: JuanDiego on October 13, 2012, 11:43:58 AM
Abe Lincoln said "a house divided against itself cannot stand", and I truly believe that unity within the SSPX is essential.  The only way for that to happen is for +Fellay to step down and let another take his place.  I agree, Skunkwurxsspx , if +Fellay was acting out of charity and trying to resolve this crisis with good will we would see him reaching out to the priests and faithful with fatherly concern, not punishment and abuse.  I for one hope Bishop Williamson will leave the SSPX and join the Vienna Five so that other priests will have more backbone to stand for the Faith also.  It is looking like the SSPX has been so compromised in their stand now that leaving is the only alternative.  The faithful can obviously stay as long as there is the True TLM but for the priests it seems the issues are more complex.  God's will be done in all this confusion!  
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Nemmersdorf on October 13, 2012, 11:52:39 AM
Quote from: InDominoSperavi
Father Chazal told us that he and fr Pfeiffer were going to do a website and to organize everything when they come back in America, around the 15th October. So I suppose that he will organize the financial support. I suppose that if everything about Bp Williamson is true, Bp Williamson might join them soon in America and of course, we'll support them and all the priests that will want to follow Bp Williamson.




You must realize that it is almost certain that "THEY" will not allow Bishop W to settle anywhere abroad, because of the "Swedish interview".
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Matthew on October 13, 2012, 12:48:05 PM
Well, so much for a conversion or change of heart.

It's apparent that he's committed to this new orientation for the SSPX -- a new orientation that favors the modern world, Jєωιѕн interests, and NewRome.

And in such a New Order of the SSPX, there is truly no place for good bishops like Bishop Williamson, as well as the faithful priests who have been ejected.

If this is true, what will become of the SSPX leadership, and the SSPX itself?
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Matthew on October 13, 2012, 01:01:10 PM
I must disagree, Pablo.

We must have some measure of prudence about where our money is going.

Or, as Ferdinand points out, we'll just be jumping out of the Krah frying pan and into the fire.

I believe the mailing address in Kentucky you quoted is fine; that money is going to Fr. Pfeiffer (et al) and he's totally legit. So I'm only talking IN PRINCIPLE here.

We have to make sure our donations aren't going to some random layman to manage, who has no oversight. What if the layman decides to divert some funds to this or that person or cause? Who would ever know? What if his family "needed" the money -- say, a job loss or impending foreclosure -- and so "of necessity" he had to lend some Church money to his family? He'd feel justified ("Hey, I fully intend to pay it back!") but the Church would be out the funds just the same.

Or what if the layman in charge is naive, and lends money to another family in need? What if he gets taken for a ride by a rogue/false priest? The possibilities are endless.

We can't have random self-appointed laymen rising up with collection baskets and amassing/centralizing large amounts of capital. It's too dangerous without prudence and oversight.

I think that right now, given the current state of the Resistance, the safest way to donate is to find faithful priests and personally put money in their consecrated hands. Just like with any charity, the more personal the better. (More personal = less chance of fraud)
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: SJB on October 13, 2012, 01:02:50 PM
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Abe Lincoln said "a house divided against itself cannot stand", and I truly believe that unity within the SSPX is essential.


Abe Lincoln???

And Jesus knowing their thoughts, said to them: Every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand. [Matthew 12:25]
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Matthew on October 13, 2012, 01:06:39 PM
Hahaha good catch, SJB.

Gotta give due credit to Honest Abe I guess... even when he got it from Our Lord.

 :rolleyes:
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: padrepio on October 13, 2012, 01:12:13 PM
I don't mean to offend anyone, but isn't anyone familiar with how Paypal works.  If you donate money and Paypal tells you the account is Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, c/o Fr. Pfeiffer, then how can the money go to anyone else.

This is preventing the priests from getting the funds they need.  If anything, why don't you mail checks to the address.  

I've donated money to the Paypal account and my receipt from PayPal states Father Pfeiffer, Our Lady of Mt. Carmel as the recipient.

Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Pablo on October 13, 2012, 01:44:53 PM
AntiFellayism,

Nice pics.

I do not believe, however, that His Excellency Bishop Richard Williamson will be a part of Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church.

I think another Bishop will be sent there by the Holy Mother and her Son.

Bishop Williamson missed the boat.


*
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on October 13, 2012, 01:53:01 PM
Quote from: Ethelred
If this is true, and it smells like Bp Fellay's usual actions, then the good Bishop Williamson could finally be expelled from the Neo-SSPX "very, very" soon.
For sure the Neo-SSPX can't join New-Rome as long as Bishop Williamson is a formal member. Because the good shepherd always throws a monkey wrench into the works of the New-Roman and Menzingen modernists. They must be "very, very" angry on him. :-)


Ethelred,

You hit the nail on the head. Rome has no use for +Williamson and +Fellay could only do it in a cowardly manner making it look as if it is +Williamson’s fault.

Bishop Fellay began the purging of the SSPX years ago. Now is the time to complete it. By expelling + Williamson and some district superiors, the faithful will follow and start new.  With the opposition gone, what stops them from fulfilling their "just" dream of “reintegration”. This is a well calculated move that may have been ordered from above.

A few days ago, +Williamson stated that there was danger of a deal “before the end of the year”.  That same day, I read that BXVI had completed his new encyclical for the "Year of Faith” at Castel Gandolfo, but it would not be released until January. Does it make sense to anyone to delay the precious encyclical for the "Year of Faith” until January with all the fuss and celebration going on? The excuse is that the pope wants to release first his 3rd volume on the life of Christ. I believe that the encyclical will be about the “new 1962 missal” (and the burial of the old) and Rome is waiting for the “reintegration” to take place before the bomb goes off.

There has been a silence in the English speaking world about the June 25-28 Sacred Liturgy 2013 (Hybrid) Conference in Rome. The Pope will offer the mass according to this missal on the Feast of Sts. Peter and Paul, June 29th, the day after the conference ends.The big emphasis at this conference is this hybrid in relation to the “Year of Faith”. All the speakers at the conference are “reform of the reform” bishops, priests and laity. The two main bishops at the conference are Bishop Dominique Rey and Bishop Mark Aillet (until recently, a priest in the St. Martin Community in France who has been working hard for the “reform of the reform”)     http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2010/03/reform-of-reform-communities-communaute.html

I may add that the two bishops mentioned, will be made cardinals at the new consistory next February, maybe as early as November 2012.

Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: SeanJohnson on October 13, 2012, 02:06:14 PM
Quote from: John Grace
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11107&view=getnewpost
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It would be a suicidal move on Bishop Fellay's part.




The elderly lady in this picture ought to be ashamed of her immodest top.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: JuanDiego on October 13, 2012, 02:07:57 PM
Quote from: SJB
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Abe Lincoln said "a house divided against itself cannot stand", and I truly believe that unity within the SSPX is essential.


Abe Lincoln???

And Jesus knowing their thoughts, said to them: Every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand. [Matthew 12:25]


Thank you SJB I couldn't think of that one fast enought when I was commenting, and I appreciate your referencing it.  Sorry if I offended you.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: SeanJohnson on October 13, 2012, 02:08:32 PM
Quote from: Skunkwurxsspx
Quote from: InDominoSperavi
Gentiloup from the french forum named Un évêque s'est levé (link on my website)read a confidential letter that Bp Fellay sent the superiors of districts. In this letter, Bp Fellay tells Bp Williamson that he gives him 10 days to close his website, to apologize, to promise that he will not criticize any more. Otherwise, he will be expelled from the society. Tomorrow is the last of the 10 days, says Gentiloup...
Avec l'Immaculée (http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/search/label/Ultimatum%20de%20Mgr%20Fellay%20%C3%A0%20Mgr%20Williamson%20%3F)


Thank you for the heads-up, InDominoSperavi.

Forceful and decisive . . . only if Bishop Fellay had been so in dealing with modernist Rome! . . . But no.

What is with him??? . . . The NSSPX is admittedly not going to sign any deals with new Rome (at least for the time being), and, according to Fr. Chazal, they're seriously "back-peddling" on the issues.

Would it then not serve Menzingen's "alleged" desire for unity within the Society to seek genuine healing by at least inviting the resistance priest members over to speak their minds and hearts freely and openly in order to hear them out fully without the threat of sanctions?

Wouldn't that be a great fatherly gesture on the part of Bishop Fellay?

I mean, isn't that what a TRUE leader would do who is not afraid of the truth?

What a wasted opportunity for genuine healing and reconciliation!

As far as Bishop Williamson, my preference had been for him to remain within the official structures of the NSSPX so that he might exercise his influence more directly and perhaps one day even ascend to a position of great influence (take Bishop Fellay's current job).

Now that we're seeing the cookie crumble the "other" way with this latest development (sad though it be), it fuels my speculations/hopes that things might be hastened for the Vienna Five to get their first bishop after all.      




Proof that they are still preparing for Rome.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Ethelred on October 13, 2012, 02:08:56 PM
Quote from: Nemmersdorf
You must realize that it is almost certain that "THEY" will not allow Bishop W to settle anywhere abroad, because of the "Swedish interview".

That's indeed possible.
Still the good bishop could, once expelled from Bp F's Neo-SSPX, logistically join the resistance cell founded by Frs. Pfeiffer, Chazal, Ringrose, etc. and so strengthen the true SSPX immensely. Then the consecration of new bishops could happen in good old England (allowing more Europeans to attend ... :-) .
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Ethelred on October 13, 2012, 02:10:46 PM
Quote from: Seraphim
Proof that they are still preparing for Rome.

Indeed.


Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
Bishop Fellay began the purging of the SSPX years ago. Now is the time to complete it. By expelling + Williamson and some district superiors, the faithful will follow and start new.  With the opposition gone, what stops them from fulfilling their "just" dream of “reintegration”. This is a well calculated move that may have been ordered from above.

A few days ago, +Williamson stated that there was danger of a deal “before the end of the year”.  That same day, I read that BXVI had completed his new encyclical for the "Year of Faith” at Castel Gandolfo, but it would not be released until January. Does it make sense to anyone to delay the precious encyclical for the "Year of Faith” until January with all the fuss and celebration going on? The excuse is that the pope wants to release first his 3rd volume on the life of Christ. I believe that the encyclical will be about the “new 1962 missal” (and the burial of the old) and Rome is waiting for the “reintegration” to take place before the bomb goes off.


Very good observations, Marie Auxiliadora. I'm pretty sure by now that Menzingen only postponed the signature on the Newrome-agreement for a few months (likely late 2012, as you indicate, too), because the three bishops with their April 2012 letter to Menzingen, and Fathers Chazal, Pfeiffer etc throw a monkey wrench into the works of the betrayers. That's why Menzingen does the great "cleansing" since then...

The "agreement is only postponed" thesis became more solid for me when I reported in August 2012 here on Cathinfo about our brave Father Weinzierl:

Running List of SSPX Priests to Support and Pray For (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=19506&min=20#p3)
Quote from: me

32) Fr. Hermann Weinzierl (Germany) - His SSPX employment ended due to his disagreement with the SSPX sellout - Contact Info available

The Bavarian Fr. Weinzierl was a former SSPX priest. [..] Now comes the interesting part also for you English-speaking Catholics:

Some weeks ago the German SSPX district superior Fr. Schmidberger demanded from Fr. Weinzierl to sign a docuмent stating that the latter will continue to work for the SSPX also when the SSPX signs an agreement with Newrome.

The point is: If no agreement is planned, you don't need to demand from your (freelancing) priests to sign such a docuмent. Says a lot, doesn't it?


Of course Fr. Weinzierl rejected this traitorous docuмent and so his SSPX employment ended. He's now an independent priest who moved next to the nice Austrian town Bregenz (Bregenzer Festspiele), close to the German, Swiss and Liechtenstein border. In this German-speaking tri-border region the father will look after the traditional Catholics who ask for him.


(By the way, my last information (a week ago, or so) is that Fr. Weinzierl is doing well as independent priest. If I remember correctly, he has about 50 faithful layfolk who attend his Masses in his new place. May God continue to bless you, dear Father!)
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 13, 2012, 02:11:29 PM
Quote from: Seraphim
Quote from: John Grace
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11107&view=getnewpost
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It would be a suicidal move on Bishop Fellay's part.




The elderly lady in this picture ought to be ashamed of her immodest top.


Rather off topic.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: AntiFellayism on October 13, 2012, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Seraphim
Quote from: John Grace
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11107&view=getnewpost
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It would be a suicidal move on Bishop Fellay's part.




The elderly lady in this picture ought to be ashamed of her immodest top.


Rather off topic.


Off topic but definitely not off sight. Disgusting, really.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Elmer Fudd on October 13, 2012, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Seraphim
Quote from: John Grace
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11107&view=getnewpost
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It would be a suicidal move on Bishop Fellay's part.




The elderly lady in this picture ought to be ashamed of her immodest top.


Rather off topic.


I've seen worse in my own chapel.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Miseremini on October 13, 2012, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: Matthew
I must disagree, Pablo.

We must have some measure of prudence about where our money is going.

I think that right now, given the current state of the Resistance, the safest way to donate is to find faithful priests and personally put money in their consecrated hands. Just like with any charity, the more personal the better. (More personal = less chance of fraud)


I think 1:6 of the Didache states it very well

6. But concerning this it was also said, "Let thine alms sweat into thine hands until thou knowest to whom thou art giving."


Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Matthew on October 13, 2012, 02:50:49 PM
Quote from: Elmer Fudd
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Seraphim
Quote from: John Grace
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11107&view=getnewpost
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It would be a suicidal move on Bishop Fellay's part.




The elderly lady in this picture ought to be ashamed of her immodest top.


Rather off topic.


I've seen worse in my own chapel.


Yes, she disgraces her hoary head.

Who does she think she's kidding? Trying to turn on the young men at 80 or 90?

This is a lesson for us all -- our soul doesn't change even as our body decays and begins to betray us left and right. The women who loves to wear fashionable/immodest clothing at 20 is not going to suddenly change into a modest 1850's matron just because she reached her 80th birthday...

Same goes for young men and lust.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Olive on October 13, 2012, 03:15:38 PM
Here is the direct link to that conference which Marie Aux mentioned:

http://sacraliturgia2013.com/

Looks lovely, eh?
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 13, 2012, 03:29:06 PM
Nice to read this and I'm not surprised. I edited my point about not caring about the critics of the Bishop. I shall pray they wake up and see the facts.
Their problem is they seem to resent the  fact the Bishop has support. The reality is the Bishop is popular and whilst not about popularity and is all about truth, Bishop Fellay hates that the Bishop has support.

Ireland is certainly 100% behind the Bishop. Whilst he is most welcome in Ireland, I would like to see him remain in England.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11107&st=25
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I think there are enough people in the UK who would ensure that His Excellency does not want for any of his material needs. We don't have a house in Wimbledon, we have a flat in a council estate in Glasgow, but we do have a spare room, and His Excellency will not be homeless while I have anything to say about it.

BTW, as a British citizen, Bp Williamson has the right to live in any EU country he likes, and they can't do a thing about it. Although I daresay he wouldn't like to live in either Germany or Sweden!
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 13, 2012, 04:04:31 PM
I do genuinely try to see where his critics are coming from. I'm not including the Zionist, Friends of Israel brigade in my analysis, but in the comment 'Patricius' made a few days ago, he suggested the Bishop is causing division? How is this the case? Can Patricius outline where the Bishop has abandoned the principles of the Archbishop?

I won't speak of revisionism but do those who laugh at the Bishop regarding 7/7 or September 11th not realise the evidence is clear that Mossad was behind September 11th. I noticed in England one or two did slightly disapprove when he mentioned September 11th.

Even this Dorothy Banks? Has she studied the evidence?

My question for them would be do they not realise Mossad were behind the attacks. I do try to see where people are coming from. I genuinely don't mean to disparage them though.

Even this business of the Bishop having an "unhealthy attitude" towards women wears a bit thin. I don't think he has an unhealthy attitude towards women at all.

It is Bishop Fellay, who has abandoned Archbishop Lefebvre.

It's pure lunacy on the part of Bishop Fellay if he expels the Bishop. Bishop Fellay seems to be losing the plot.He obviously needs prayers.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: hugeman on October 13, 2012, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: padrepio
I don't mean to offend anyone, but isn't anyone familiar with how Paypal works.  If you donate money and Paypal tells you the account is Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, c/o Fr. Pfeiffer, then how can the money go to anyone else.

This is preventing the priests from getting the funds they need.  If anything, why don't you mail checks to the address.  

I've donated money to the Paypal account and my receipt from PayPal states Father Pfeiffer, Our Lady of Mt. Carmel as the recipient.


Dear Friends,

Pablo is a hard-working supporter of the true faith, the Society of Saint Pius X, and the Catholic Church. Had it not been for his unbelieveable efforts these past many months, we, the faithful would know significantly less of the problems with Bp Fellay's faulty theology than we now know. Let's be charitable.

  And give your gift to Almighty God. We have no right to expect priests to be able to provide the true Mass, if we are unwilling to support them. The many, many, viewers to al these websites are certainly welcome, but it comes down to the fact that these priests need material support. Bishop Fellay and the reckless and irresponsible superiors are violating Canon Law by expelling their own priests and withholding basic sustenance, and they violate Christ's law by not giving to these laborers their earned hire.

  When you give your gift to the good Lord-- put it into His basket and let Him do as He needs. Your reward is marked from the very moment that you willingly give-- and we know our return is 100 fold! Why get so concerned of each single dime? Christ Himself is the General in this Battle, let's give Him the tools so His priests can do their work. If, after some of the dust settles, we see opportunities to save money and maximize savings opportunities, then talk to the priests.

    Send your donations through the paypal account-- paypal are reliable transferrers of funds. When your priest visits and offers Mass, then give him your donation personally
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Maria Elizabeth on October 13, 2012, 04:35:01 PM
Quote from: Nemmersdorf
Quote from: InDominoSperavi
Father Chazal told us that he and fr Pfeiffer were going to do a website and to organize everything when they come back in America, around the 15th October. So I suppose that he will organize the financial support. I suppose that if everything about Bp Williamson is true, Bp Williamson might join them soon in America and of course, we'll support them and all the priests that will want to follow Bp Williamson.




You must realize that it is almost certain that "THEY" will not allow Bishop W to settle anywhere abroad, because of the "Swedish interview".


My concern, exactly!  My guess is, "they" will try their best to confine the good bishop; to prevent his movement, as much as possible.


Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 13, 2012, 04:54:47 PM
The Bishop Williamson Conference June 2012 currently doing the rounds is worth mentioning on this thread.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Andrew on October 13, 2012, 07:48:23 PM
I think Bishop Williamson just doesn't understand that he has to toe the line.  He isn't the leader for a reason, like you can't discuss 9/11 conspiracy theories in a sermon....   Really he's just a sore spot in the SSPX and has to learn to toe the line and go out with grace or he should be thrown out along with all the others who aren't in line with the most excellent Bishop Fellay. :applause:
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: parentsfortruth on October 13, 2012, 08:20:38 PM
This message is going to pass through our Church very quickly.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Sigismund on October 13, 2012, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: Matthew
Well, so much for +Fellay having a conversion or change of heart.

It's apparent that he's committed to this new orientation for the SSPX -- a new orientation that favors the modern world, Jєωιѕн interests, and NewRome.

And in such a New Order of the SSPX, there is truly no place for good bishops like Bishop Williamson, as well as the faithful priests who have been ejected.

If this is true, it's apparent that Bishop Fellay is still committed to his own destruction, and that of the SSPX.


He continues to favor "Newrome" even though "Newrome" clearly does not favor him.  
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Sigismund on October 13, 2012, 09:23:33 PM
Quote from: Matthew
Hahaha good catch, SJB.

Gotta give due credit to Honest Abe I guess... even when he got it from Our Lord.

 :rolleyes:


Add I am sure Lincoln knew Who he was quoting.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Zorayda on October 13, 2012, 10:16:37 PM
Menzingen & cronies have lost all their credibility so now they have to frame the good bishop. Another Stalinistic Freemasonic strategy - framing & scapegoating? This is their final phase before expulsion. This ultimatum is a hoax because Fellay I'm sure has already had all the expulsion papers all worked up (they've been sitting on his desk for years). Fellay has cornered him & has been waiting for the right opportunity to kick him out.

You need to think ten steps ahead of Fellay. How would you get rid of your enemies? Well Fellay knows the good bishop won't back down & won't give up the good fight. Fellay will resort with all his power to make the good Bishop look like the enemy & then chop chop!

So now my friends, bring out all your weapons, all your pots & pans & make a lot of noise. Get your faxes out & start cranking!!! End the Fellay Regime for good!!!!!! :dwarf:
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Kephapaulos on October 13, 2012, 10:33:23 PM
If Bishop Williamson is expelled (which I hope and pray does not happen), I wonder how many priests and faithful will be brave enough to actually leave the SSPX and form another group with him. I very much do agree that Bishop Fellay step down. Even IF the anti-agreement side were wrong, he still would need to resign because the faithful need certain and steadfast leadership and clarity of explanation as well as unclouded prudence and clever foresight. Diplomacy can only go so far. Politicians make use of "diplomacy".
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Kephapaulos on October 13, 2012, 10:42:13 PM
There is such a limited view of things in the pro-agreement side too. Evil people, unfortunately, do exist. Not everyone wants to hear it. There are covert enemies of the Church. There have been for a long time. They are the powers that be. They are the Jєωs, Freemasons, Illuminati, and others. Bishop Williamson is the bishop who is not afraid to speak about such matters, and in one of his Eleison Comments, he speaks of where one puts talking about such matters in proper context. How can so many be so foolish? Of course, human respect seems to win in our day still.

Now, of course, we do not want to fall into the sin of anger and end up being like the enemies, but we must have fortitude and TRUE brotherly love (not the fraternité of the French Revolution).
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on October 14, 2012, 01:14:01 AM
Quote from: John Grace
Previously, when the Bishop was threatened with expulsion, the laity in Ireland formed a long line to speak with the priests after Mass. A French priest stationed in Ireland at the time was left ashen faced. He was really shaken by the support for the Bishop.



I attend a very. very small chapel. The line might consist only of myself, since I have heard no one else bringing up any subjects relating to the deal. I think I would stand a very great chance of the priest telling me not to return.  Then there would be no Mass for me except NO.   :sad:
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on October 14, 2012, 01:29:45 AM


"Never ever has a Faithful ever handed me a dollar and said "Buy yourself a soft drink, or a coffee"

Or, when I put 30,000 miles on my new truck in service at an SSPX Chapel did a Parishioner ever put one dollar of gas in, or even offer to.

Take care of laymen that help your Chapel.

Problems arise when we are on the cheap with them. "


 :scratchchin:

That really gave me a bit to think about. Protestant churches treat their loyal volunteers like gold. I think we could learn something from them in that single department. Hope some of you here will look around and see if you can do something nice for those who do the thankless work that keeps things going.

I'm gonna buy Fr's driver lunch tomorrow in your honor, Pablo.  :ready-to-eat:

Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Wessex on October 14, 2012, 04:32:30 AM
In the financial world they say the news is in the price or the market anticipates the news, meaning the SSPX establishment is planning its future direction without the bishop and the laity is largely resigned to this new situation. There is enough evidence to support this cold reality:

1) The total betrayal at the Chapter meeting that excluded the bishop
2) The management view that the other bishops are now superfluous to its future plans and are being pushed to the margins, suddenly possessing an inferior episcopal status to the divine SG
3) Official and unofficial organs now openly critical and attacking the bishop as though he were outside the Society
4) The degree of acquiesence at large in the Society making an expulsion easy for the management
5) The increase in threats by district superiors to priests and laity opposing the new direction
6) The bishop's dogged published resistance to the latest Menzingen policy and contempt for "Fellay and his gang"
7) The disease of liberalism growing inside the Society making it impossible for true traditionalists to remain.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 14, 2012, 06:24:46 AM
Quote from: Kephapaulos
There is such a limited view of things in the pro-agreement side too. Evil people, unfortunately, do exist. Not everyone wants to hear it. There are covert enemies of the Church. There have been for a long time. They are the powers that be. They are the Jєωs, Freemasons, Illuminati, and others. Bishop Williamson is the bishop who is not afraid to speak about such matters, and in one of his Eleison Comments, he speaks of where one puts talking about such matters in proper context. How can so many be so foolish? Of course, human respect seems to win in our day still.

Now, of course, we do not want to fall into the sin of anger and end up being like the enemies, but we must have fortitude and TRUE brotherly love (not the fraternité of the French Revolution).


I remember a few years ago, an individual I know introduced a few new people to the Traditional Mass but always disliked the priest mentioning Freemason's in his sermon. He found it too 'emotive' and didn't feel the newbies should hear this. I thought it rather strange. I found it stranger he encouraged people to attend doctrinal classes offered by Opus Dei.

Another example is a woman stopped attending the Mass offered by Institute of Christ the King because somebody showed her Karol Wojtyla Beatified?- Never! by Father Luigi Villa Th. D.

It was too much for her and as far as I'm aware he the man who showed her the book) didn't emphasis the Jєωιѕн roots of Karol Wojtyla. The man himself is solid on the Jєωs as are most people in Tradition. They know the score.

She couldn't take criticism of JPII.

A friend of mine has great admiration for Bishop Williamson, agrees with him regarding the Jєωs and the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst' yet can't agree with him in relation to Benedict XVI. Whilst my friend doesn't attend the SSPX, he has admiration for Benedict XVI becuase he 'liberated the Mass'.

True brotherly love is to educate others.

These people are not SSPX people so understandable, they are not fully educated or aware. God willing, they become more aware. Once they make a clean break from the Indult world, they will see a world of difference.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 14, 2012, 06:36:41 AM
Quote
I attend a very. very small chapel. The line might consist only of myself, since I have heard no one else bringing up any subjects relating to the deal. I think I would stand a very great chance of the priest telling me not to return.  Then there would be no Mass for me except NO


Indeed.It is a reality. Tradition is small in many countries so naturally friendships will form with non Trads but applying the "brotherly love" mentioned in the thread, I do feel we need to influence Novus Ordo Catholics and not the other way around.

To cite an Irish example, the pro-life group, Youth Defence, which is supported by many Trads will probably go to World Youth Day in Brazil.

In the past, I offered my fraternal correction to them but they didn't pay any heed.

On the point of people not speaking, they won't until Bishop Fellay signs. Perhaps he has already.Who knows? It's understandable laity are not rocking the boat. They will have to act at some point though as a line has been drawn in the sand. I think, we are past the "Did Bishop Fellay really say this?" mindset.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 14, 2012, 06:42:56 AM
Quote
There is such a limited view of things in the pro-agreement side too. Evil people, unfortunately, do exist. Not everyone wants to hear it.


I don't think we should regard the pro-agreement side as "evil people". Their argument is not convincing.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 14, 2012, 09:14:02 AM
Perhaps it made no sense to her at the time but perhaps now she sees the bigger picture.

http://wwwwithburningsorrow.blogspot.ie/2010/05/reticence-set-aside.html
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I chanced upon the secular/ conspiracy/ Jєωιѕн domination “Theology” being carried by HE Bishop Williamson in doing a good turn. I was copying the talks he gave at St Josephs here in London for St Georges House, The publicized talks on “1984” and “Alice in Wonderland” made no sense to me, but the talks on papal encyclicals did - so I started to listen to what I was copying. My word was I shocked… I then started to look on the internet plus reading some of dinoscopus and the full impact of world wide damage being done by dear Bishop Williamson became apparent to me . At every point he was introducing his personal and distorted views on worldly issues from the platform of his Episcopal dignity.


With this from Dorothy Banks in mind, I read the Gene Kerrigan article.
Whilst a subject for another thread and Kerrigan is not regarded as being religious, he makes the point here in this extract at the end of his article.He is on to something in his comment.We know who these people are.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/gene-kerrigan-all-of-us-are-being-screwed-by-the-elite-3258447.html
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Throughout this crisis, the politicians have consistently sought to protect a small cabal of bankers, to pay bondholders money we don't owe them and to balance the books through austerity.

Behind the scenes, powerful forces have the ears -- and the hearts -- of the political classes. And there's absolutely no mistake about that.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Wessex on October 14, 2012, 12:10:59 PM
Have just been reading a a contribution on an Australian parish website in Novus Ordo territory from a former SSPX priest who rubbed shoulders one time with Bp. Williamson and many of the key SSPX players. He seems to have a handle on how the various districts are responding to the current internal crisis. Germany, Switzerland, Holland and most of the UK are happy to go where Menzingen leads them. The Americas would be the obvious constituency for a new revitalised trad movement headed by Bp. Williamson. The mystery district is France, though capable of making dramatic gestures in support of tradition, is somewhat unpredictable as shown by Bp. Tissier's surprising volte-face. I had hoped that the UK would rally around their home-grown bishop and persuade him to remain in London but the silence here is deafening.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: trento on October 14, 2012, 12:21:45 PM
I found this video of Bishop Williamson's interview by Stephen Heiner done back in 2009:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dcVFkEyLs0&feature=plcp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dcVFkEyLs0&feature=plcp)

I was rather surprised that Bishop Williamson knew about Bishop Fellay's comment about 95% of the Council being good much earlier back in 2009 before the recent CNS video of recent months and still had no qualms about it then. In this interview, Bishop Williamson even seems to show understanding about Bishop Fellay's intent when +Fellay made that statement. Question: What changed between 2009 and 2012?

Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 14, 2012, 12:30:12 PM
Quote from: trento
I found this video of Bishop Williamson's interview by Stephen Heiner done back in 2009:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dcVFkEyLs0&feature=plcp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dcVFkEyLs0&feature=plcp)

I was rather surprised that Bishop Williamson knew about Bishop Fellay's comment about 95% of the Council being good much earlier back in 2009 before the recent CNS video of recent months and still had no qualms about it then. In this interview, Bishop Williamson even seems to show understanding about Bishop Fellay's intent when +Fellay made that statement. Question: What changed between 2009 and 2012?



Did Fr Couture ask you to post this? Any thoughts yourself on the Bishop being threatened with expulsion? Have you an opinion on the Menzingen lawyer, trento?
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: JMacQ on October 14, 2012, 02:05:21 PM
" Have just been reading a a contribution on an Australian parish website in Novus Ordo territory from a former SSPX priest who rubbed shoulders one time with Bp. Williamson and many of the key SSPX players. "


Wessex, that may be Fr Brandon Arthur. Any chance you can give us the link to the article. God bless.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: SeanJohnson on October 14, 2012, 02:29:17 PM
I was not aware Fr Brandon Arthur had left the SSPX.

Wondered what became of him.

Anyone know wht he has been doing since, and is doing now?
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Wessex on October 14, 2012, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: JMacQ
" Have just been reading a a contribution on an Australian parish website in Novus Ordo territory from a former SSPX priest who rubbed shoulders one time with Bp. Williamson and many of the key SSPX players. "


Wessex, that may be Fr Brandon Arthur. Any chance you can give us the link to the article. God bless.



My pleasure. Yes, Fr. Brendon Arthur. He obviously welcomes a deal with Rome. I have merged some of his observations with some of my conclusions. The fact he was a member for seventeen years until recently yields some interesting comments despite his bias. You will need to scroll down the list of comments. There is also an interesting comment from PKTP, late of Rorate Caeli.


http://www.acountrypriest.com/debate-within-the-sspx/#comments
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Croix de Fer on October 14, 2012, 03:03:14 PM
Don't give money at the collections during Mass, or any other time, to SSPX, until Fellay and the neo-SSPXers stop their assault on Bishop Williamson, and apologize to him. Give them no more money.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: JMacQ on October 14, 2012, 03:35:10 PM
Quote from: Wessex
Quote from: JMacQ
" Have just been reading a a contribution on an Australian parish website in Novus Ordo territory from a former SSPX priest who rubbed shoulders one time with Bp. Williamson and many of the key SSPX players. "


Wessex, that may be Fr Brandon Arthur. Any chance you can give us the link to the article. God bless.



My pleasure. Yes, Fr. Brendon Arthur. He obviously welcomes a deal with Rome. I have merged some of his observations with some of my conclusions. The fact he was a member for seventeen years until recently yields some interesting comments despite his bias. You will need to scroll down the list of comments. There is also an interesting comment from PKTP, late of Rorate Caeli.


http://www.acountrypriest.com/debate-within-the-sspx/#comments



Thank you, Wessex. I met him years ago when he was still stationed in Holland. Shame he jumped into the NO abyss.

Jesus and Mary help him to return to his truly Catholic priesthood, hopefully under Bishop Williamson.

BTW I asked my priest this morning. He told me that the Bishop has been expelled, and that he has ten days to appeal. But that he is already expelled. My priest, SSPX old guard, very independent in his thinking and the kind of man that makes you run for cover when he is upset, was obviously very affected. I have never seen him looking so tired and sad.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Elmer Fudd on October 14, 2012, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: JMacQ
Quote from: Wessex
Quote from: JMacQ
" Have just been reading a a contribution on an Australian parish website in Novus Ordo territory from a former SSPX priest who rubbed shoulders one time with Bp. Williamson and many of the key SSPX players. "


Wessex, that may be Fr Brandon Arthur. Any chance you can give us the link to the article. God bless.



My pleasure. Yes, Fr. Brendon Arthur. He obviously welcomes a deal with Rome. I have merged some of his observations with some of my conclusions. The fact he was a member for seventeen years until recently yields some interesting comments despite his bias. You will need to scroll down the list of comments. There is also an interesting comment from PKTP, late of Rorate Caeli.


http://www.acountrypriest.com/debate-within-the-sspx/#comments



Thank you, Wessex. I met him years ago when he was still stationed in Holland. Shame he jumped into the NO abyss.

Jesus and Mary help him to return to his truly Catholic priesthood, hopefully under Bishop Williamson.

BTW I asked my priest this morning. He told me that the Bishop has been expelled, and that he has ten days to appeal. But that he is already expelled. My priest, SSPX old guard, very independent in his thinking and the kind of man that makes you run for cover when he is upset, was obviously very affected. I have never seen him looking so tired and sad.


It should be apparent to all the +Fellay was hell bent on removing +Williamson from the beginning, but in order for him to remove +Williamson, he had to make him out as the rotten apple of the society.

It should be more apparent that +Fellay's agenda is to make a deal with Modernist Rome, since the beginning of October, he enlisted McCall and Fr. Rostand who came out swinging in order to silence the opposition. And it has had some affect.

And now in the middle of the month +Fellay has given +Williamson the axe, if true. I'll have to wait for the official notification from the SSPX, which I'm sure they will send via email.

So now since the opposition has been removed, and given the fact that the official response to the preamble will be  presented to the Modernist at the end of this month, me thinks a surprise is in the making.

Look for it around the Feast of Christ the King, last sunday in october.

Yes indeed this a sad day if +Williamson has been given the axe.
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: John Grace on October 14, 2012, 04:49:18 PM
Quote
It should be apparent to all the +Fellay was hell bent on removing +Williamson from the beginning, but in order for him to remove +Williamson, he had to make him out as the rotten apple of the society.

It should be more apparent that +Fellay's agenda is to make a deal with Modernist Rome, since the beginning of October, he enlisted McCall and Fr. Rostand who came out swinging in order to silence the opposition. And it has had some affect.

And now in the middle of the month +Fellay has given +Williamson the axe, if true. I'll have to wait for the official notification from the SSPX, which I'm sure they will send via email.

So now since the opposition has been removed, and given the fact that the official response to the preamble will be  presented to the Modernist at the end of this month, me thinks a surprise is in the making.

Look for it around the Feast of Christ the King, last sunday in october.

Yes indeed this a sad day if +Williamson has been given the axe.


Indeed, we await an official notification.

Meanwhile.Images by Maximilian Krah.

"I'm sailing in the right direction!"


Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Elizabeth on October 14, 2012, 07:30:55 PM
Fr. Chazal noted how difficult this would be as, Bp. Williamson has given his whole life to the Society.  

I think he also mentioned that this type of expulsion is only done by the pope, but I may be mistaken.

 :pray: :pray: :pray:

I for one was skeptical of an ultimatum, but it is sadly true.

P.S. Hadn't seen the photos of The Crow until after logging in and posting.  Are they from his Facebook page or something?
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: trento on October 15, 2012, 12:32:59 AM
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: trento
I found this video of Bishop Williamson's interview by Stephen Heiner done back in 2009:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dcVFkEyLs0&feature=plcp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dcVFkEyLs0&feature=plcp)

I was rather surprised that Bishop Williamson knew about Bishop Fellay's comment about 95% of the Council being good much earlier back in 2009 before the recent CNS video of recent months and still had no qualms about it then. In this interview, Bishop Williamson even seems to show understanding about Bishop Fellay's intent when +Fellay made that statement. Question: What changed between 2009 and 2012?



Did Fr Couture ask you to post this? Any thoughts yourself on the Bishop being threatened with expulsion? Have you an opinion on the Menzingen lawyer, trento?

 :facepalm: Do I need to ask Fr. Couture to post every single question on the thread? Do you guys ask Bishop Williamson or Fr. Chazal if it is alright to post their videos on the Internet too?  :facepalm: :facepalm:

You want to know my thoughts on +Williamson's expulsion thread? I do not accept that +Williamson ought to be expelled on his views regarding 9/11, the number of Jєωs gasses in the chambers, etc, but I do think it is not proper for a Catholic bishop to put forth his theories in sermons. In fact, I think it only gives ammunition to +Williamson's enemies to nail him via other means such as the secular courts. You may not agree with me and I believe I will get a lot of thumbs down for this, but I'm telling it as I see it.

I've yet to see what +Williamson's expulsion threat is based on, but if it is due to insubordination, then it would be the same as what happened to Frs. Chazal and Joe Pfeiffer.

I'm more concerned with the split that happened in the SSPX, especially in Asia, Korea being the most sad example. The resistance folks are burning bridges with people who are not pro-agreement but have not publicly declared their position, calling them evil, thieves, and such. This, I believe, is counter-productive, and the doomed 'public' resistance will only be due to the very attitude of those folks themselves! Fr. Onoda is pro-agreement? Fr. Laisney is pro-agreement? :facepalm:
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Ethelred on October 15, 2012, 02:10:08 AM
Quote from: trento
...

 :facepalm:

?

 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Ethelred on October 15, 2012, 02:28:04 AM
Quote from: John Grace
Meanwhile.Images by Maximilian Krah.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img89/719/maxjudaizer.jpg)


You see what 45 years of Jєωιѕн Communism did to the (East-) Germans?
The formerly orderly Germans don't even have haircutters anymore!



Compare this to how an anti-Communistic German looked like before :

(http://imageshack.us/a/img9/5804/erwinrommel.jpg)


I prefer the 2nd picture and person anytime!

(Btw, it shows Field Marshal Erwin Johannes Eugen Rommel from South-Germany, aka "Desert Fox")
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Francisco on October 15, 2012, 02:32:29 AM
Quote from: trento
.............................................................................................................................................................................
... Fr. Onoda is pro-agreement? Fr. Laisney is pro-agreement? :facepalm:


Yes, Fr Onoda is AGAINST the agreement - this hard-working, self-less priest has been a fighter for Tradition for twenty years now. But, as afar as Fr Laisney is concerned, having heard him speak myself, I would say that he is more for an agreement rather than against.

Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Nadir on October 15, 2012, 02:39:18 AM
Quote from: Wessex
Have just been reading a a contribution on an Australian parish website in Novus Ordo territory from a former SSPX priest who rubbed shoulders one time with Bp. Williamson and many of the key SSPX players. He seems to have a handle on how the various districts are responding to the current internal crisis.....


Have you not a link to this, Wessex?
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: Nadir on October 15, 2012, 03:10:14 AM
Quote from: Nadir
Quote from: Wessex
Have just been reading a a contribution on an Australian parish website in Novus Ordo territory from a former SSPX priest who rubbed shoulders one time with Bp. Williamson and many of the key SSPX players. He seems to have a handle on how the various districts are responding to the current internal crisis.....


Have you not a link to this, Wessex?


Oops! posted prematurely, not having read the whole of the thread. Sad about Fr Arthur having gone over to Newchurch. Tragic really. Pray for him. :pray:
Title: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
Post by: PAT317 on October 15, 2012, 08:39:04 AM
Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: John Grace
Meanwhile.Images by Maximilian Krah.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img89/719/maxjudaizer.jpg)


You see what 45 years of Jєωιѕн Communism did to the (East-) Germans?
The formerly orderly Germans don't even have haircutters anymore!



Compare this to how an anti-Communistic German looked like before :

(http://imageshack.us/a/img9/5804/erwinrommel.jpg)


I prefer the 2nd picture and person anytime!

(Btw, it shows Field Marshal Erwin Johannes Eugen Rommel from South-Germany, aka "Desert Fox")


 :laugh1:

Or maybe I should use a crying emoticon instead.

I was wondering when someone would get around to commenting on the 'do.