Author Topic: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum (Read 15330 times)

John Grace · « **Reply #30 on:** October 13, 2012, 03:29:06 PM »

Nice to read this and I'm not surprised. I edited my point about not caring about the critics of the Bishop. I shall pray they wake up and see the facts.
Their problem is they seem to resent the fact the Bishop has support. The reality is the Bishop is popular and whilst not about popularity and is all about truth, Bishop Fellay hates that the Bishop has support.

Ireland is certainly 100% behind the Bishop. Whilst he is most welcome in Ireland, I would like to see him remain in England.

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I think there are enough people in the UK who would ensure that His Excellency does not want for any of his material needs. We don't have a house in Wimbledon, we have a flat in a council estate in Glasgow, but we do have a spare room, and His Excellency will not be homeless while I have anything to say about it.

BTW, as a British citizen, Bp Williamson has the right to live in any EU country he likes, and they can't do a thing about it. Although I daresay he wouldn't like to live in either Germany or Sweden!

John Grace · « **Reply #31 on:** October 13, 2012, 04:04:31 PM »

I do genuinely try to see where his critics are coming from. I'm not including the Zionist, Friends of Israel brigade in my analysis, but in the comment 'Patricius' made a few days ago, he suggested the Bishop is causing division? How is this the case? Can Patricius outline where the Bishop has abandoned the principles of the Archbishop?

I won't speak of revisionism but do those who laugh at the Bishop regarding 7/7 or September 11th not realise the evidence is clear that Mossad was behind September 11th. I noticed in England one or two did slightly disapprove when he mentioned September 11th.

Even this Dorothy Banks? Has she studied the evidence?

My question for them would be do they not realise Mossad were behind the attacks. I do try to see where people are coming from. I genuinely don't mean to disparage them though.

Even this business of the Bishop having an "unhealthy attitude" towards women wears a bit thin. I don't think he has an unhealthy attitude towards women at all.

It is Bishop Fellay, who has abandoned Archbishop Lefebvre.

It's pure lunacy on the part of Bishop Fellay if he expels the Bishop. Bishop Fellay seems to be losing the plot.He obviously needs prayers.

hugeman · « **Reply #32 on:** October 13, 2012, 04:27:26 PM »

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I don't mean to offend anyone, but isn't anyone familiar with how Paypal works. If you donate money and Paypal tells you the account is Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, c/o Fr. Pfeiffer, then how can the money go to anyone else.

This is preventing the priests from getting the funds they need. If anything, why don't you mail checks to the address.

I've donated money to the Paypal account and my receipt from PayPal states Father Pfeiffer, Our Lady of Mt. Carmel as the recipient.

Dear Friends,

Pablo is a hard-working supporter of the true faith, the Society of Saint Pius X, and the Catholic Church. Had it not been for his unbelieveable efforts these past many months, we, the faithful would know significantly less of the problems with Bp Fellay's faulty theology than we now know. Let's be charitable.

And give your gift to Almighty God. We have no right to expect priests to be able to provide the true Mass, if we are unwilling to support them. The many, many, viewers to al these websites are certainly welcome, but it comes down to the fact that these priests need material support. Bishop Fellay and the reckless and irresponsible superiors are violating Canon Law by expelling their own priests and withholding basic sustenance, and they violate Christ's law by not giving to these laborers their earned hire.

When you give your gift to the good Lord-- put it into His basket and let Him do as He needs. Your reward is marked from the very moment that you willingly give-- and we know our return is 100 fold! Why get so concerned of each single dime? Christ Himself is the General in this Battle, let's give Him the tools so His priests can do their work. If, after some of the dust settles, we see opportunities to save money and maximize savings opportunities, then talk to the priests.

Send your donations through the paypal account-- paypal are reliable transferrers of funds. When your priest visits and offers Mass, then give him your donation personally

Maria Elizabeth · « **Reply #33 on:** October 13, 2012, 04:35:01 PM »

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Father Chazal told us that he and fr Pfeiffer were going to do a website and to organize everything when they come back in America, around the 15th October. So I suppose that he will organize the financial support. I suppose that if everything about Bp Williamson is true, Bp Williamson might join them soon in America and of course, we'll support them and all the priests that will want to follow Bp Williamson.

You must realize that it is almost certain that "THEY" will not allow Bishop W to settle anywhere abroad, because of the "Swedish interview".

My concern, exactly! My guess is, "they" will try their best to confine the good bishop; to prevent his movement, as much as possible.

John Grace · « **Reply #34 on:** October 13, 2012, 04:54:47 PM »

The Bishop Williamson Conference June 2012 currently doing the rounds is worth mentioning on this thread.

Andrew · « **Reply #35 on:** October 13, 2012, 07:48:23 PM »

I think Bishop Williamson just doesn't understand that he has to toe the line. He isn't the leader for a reason, like you can't discuss 9/11 conspiracy theories in a sermon.... Really he's just a sore spot in the SSPX and has to learn to toe the line and go out with grace or he should be thrown out along with all the others who aren't in line with the most excellent Bishop Fellay. :applause:

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #36 on:** October 13, 2012, 08:20:38 PM »

This message is going to pass through our Church very quickly.

Sigismund · « **Reply #37 on:** October 13, 2012, 09:22:09 PM »

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Well, so much for +Fellay having a conversion or change of heart.

It's apparent that he's committed to this new orientation for the SSPX -- a new orientation that favors the modern world, Jєωιѕн interests, and NewRome.

And in such a New Order of the SSPX, there is truly no place for good bishops like Bishop Williamson, as well as the faithful priests who have been ejected.

If this is true, it's apparent that Bishop Fellay is still committed to his own destruction, and that of the SSPX.

He continues to favor "Newrome" even though "Newrome" clearly does not favor him.

Sigismund · « **Reply #38 on:** October 13, 2012, 09:23:33 PM »

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Hahaha good catch, SJB.

Gotta give due credit to Honest Abe I guess... even when he got it from Our Lord.

:rolleyes:

Add I am sure Lincoln knew Who he was quoting.

Zorayda · « **Reply #39 on:** October 13, 2012, 10:16:37 PM »

Menzingen & cronies have lost all their credibility so now they have to frame the good bishop. Another Stalinistic Freemasonic strategy - framing & scapegoating? This is their final phase before expulsion. This ultimatum is a hoax because Fellay I'm sure has already had all the expulsion papers all worked up (they've been sitting on his desk for years). Fellay has cornered him & has been waiting for the right opportunity to kick him out.

You need to think ten steps ahead of Fellay. How would you get rid of your enemies? Well Fellay knows the good bishop won't back down & won't give up the good fight. Fellay will resort with all his power to make the good Bishop look like the enemy & then chop chop!

So now my friends, bring out all your weapons, all your pots & pans & make a lot of noise. Get your faxes out & start cranking!!! End the Fellay Regime for good!!!!!! :dwarf:

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #40 on:** October 13, 2012, 10:33:23 PM »

If Bishop Williamson is expelled (which I hope and pray does not happen), I wonder how many priests and faithful will be brave enough to actually leave the SSPX and form another group with him. I very much do agree that Bishop Fellay step down. Even IF the anti-agreement side were wrong, he still would need to resign because the faithful need certain and steadfast leadership and clarity of explanation as well as unclouded prudence and clever foresight. Diplomacy can only go so far. Politicians make use of "diplomacy".

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #41 on:** October 13, 2012, 10:42:13 PM »

There is such a limited view of things in the pro-agreement side too. Evil people, unfortunately, do exist. Not everyone wants to hear it. There are covert enemies of the Church. There have been for a long time. They are the powers that be. They are the Jєωs, Freemasons, Illuminati, and others. Bishop Williamson is the bishop who is not afraid to speak about such matters, and in one of his Eleison Comments, he speaks of where one puts talking about such matters in proper context. How can so many be so foolish? Of course, human respect seems to win in our day still.

Now, of course, we do not want to fall into the sin of anger and end up being like the enemies, but we must have fortitude and TRUE brotherly love (not the fraternité of the French Revolution).

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #42 on:** October 14, 2012, 01:14:01 AM »

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Previously, when the Bishop was threatened with expulsion, the laity in Ireland formed a long line to speak with the priests after Mass. A French priest stationed in Ireland at the time was left ashen faced. He was really shaken by the support for the Bishop.

I attend a very. very small chapel. The line might consist only of myself, since I have heard no one else bringing up any subjects relating to the deal. I think I would stand a very great chance of the priest telling me not to return. Then there would be no Mass for me except NO. :sad:

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #43 on:** October 14, 2012, 01:29:45 AM »

"Never ever has a Faithful ever handed me a dollar and said "Buy yourself a soft drink, or a coffee"

Or, when I put 30,000 miles on my new truck in service at an SSPX Chapel did a Parishioner ever put one dollar of gas in, or even offer to.

Take care of laymen that help your Chapel.

Problems arise when we are on the cheap with them. "

:scratchchin:

That really gave me a bit to think about. Protestant churches treat their loyal volunteers like gold. I think we could learn something from them in that single department. Hope some of you here will look around and see if you can do something nice for those who do the thankless work that keeps things going.

I'm gonna buy Fr's driver lunch tomorrow in your honor, Pablo. :ready-to-eat:

Wessex · « **Reply #44 on:** October 14, 2012, 04:32:30 AM »

In the financial world they say the news is in the price or the market anticipates the news, meaning the SSPX establishment is planning its future direction without the bishop and the laity is largely resigned to this new situation. There is enough evidence to support this cold reality:

1) The total betrayal at the Chapter meeting that excluded the bishop
2) The management view that the other bishops are now superfluous to its future plans and are being pushed to the margins, suddenly possessing an inferior episcopal status to the divine SG
3) Official and unofficial organs now openly critical and attacking the bishop as though he were outside the Society
4) The degree of acquiesence at large in the Society making an expulsion easy for the management
5) The increase in threats by district superiors to priests and laity opposing the new direction
6) The bishop's dogged published resistance to the latest Menzingen policy and contempt for "Fellay and his gang"
7) The disease of liberalism growing inside the Society making it impossible for true traditionalists to remain.