Author Topic: Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum (Read 15347 times)

Matthew · « **Reply #15 on:** October 13, 2012, 01:06:39 PM »

Hahaha good catch, SJB.

Gotta give due credit to Honest Abe I guess... even when he got it from Our Lord.

:rolleyes:

padrepio · « **Reply #16 on:** October 13, 2012, 01:12:13 PM »

I don't mean to offend anyone, but isn't anyone familiar with how Paypal works. If you donate money and Paypal tells you the account is Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, c/o Fr. Pfeiffer, then how can the money go to anyone else.

This is preventing the priests from getting the funds they need. If anything, why don't you mail checks to the address.

I've donated money to the Paypal account and my receipt from PayPal states Father Pfeiffer, Our Lady of Mt. Carmel as the recipient.

Pablo · « **Reply #17 on:** October 13, 2012, 01:44:53 PM »

AntiFellayism,

Nice pics.

I do not believe, however, that His Excellency Bishop Richard Williamson will be a part of Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church.

I think another Bishop will be sent there by the Holy Mother and her Son.

Bishop Williamson missed the boat.

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Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #18 on:** October 13, 2012, 01:53:01 PM »

Quote from: Ethelred

If this is true, and it smells like Bp Fellay's usual actions, then the good Bishop Williamson could finally be expelled from the Neo-SSPX "very, very" soon.
For sure the Neo-SSPX can't join New-Rome as long as Bishop Williamson is a formal member. Because the good shepherd always throws a monkey wrench into the works of the New-Roman and Menzingen modernists. They must be "very, very" angry on him. :-)

Ethelred,

You hit the nail on the head. Rome has no use for +Williamson and +Fellay could only do it in a cowardly manner making it look as if it is +Williamson’s fault.

Bishop Fellay began the purging of the SSPX years ago. Now is the time to complete it. By expelling + Williamson and some district superiors, the faithful will follow and start new. With the opposition gone, what stops them from fulfilling their "just" dream of “reintegration”. This is a well calculated move that may have been ordered from above.

A few days ago, +Williamson stated that there was danger of a deal “before the end of the year”. That same day, I read that BXVI had completed his new encyclical for the "Year of Faith” at Castel Gandolfo, but it would not be released until January. Does it make sense to anyone to delay the precious encyclical for the "Year of Faith” until January with all the fuss and celebration going on? The excuse is that the pope wants to release first his 3rd volume on the life of Christ. I believe that the encyclical will be about the “new 1962 missal” (and the burial of the old) and Rome is waiting for the “reintegration” to take place before the bomb goes off.

There has been a silence in the English speaking world about the June 25-28 Sacred Liturgy 2013 (Hybrid) Conference in Rome. The Pope will offer the mass according to this missal on the Feast of Sts. Peter and Paul, June 29th, the day after the conference ends.The big emphasis at this conference is this hybrid in relation to the “Year of Faith”. All the speakers at the conference are “reform of the reform” bishops, priests and laity. The two main bishops at the conference are Bishop Dominique Rey and Bishop Mark Aillet (until recently, a priest in the St. Martin Community in France who has been working hard for the “reform of the reform”) http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2010/03/reform-of-reform-communities-communaute.html

I may add that the two bishops mentioned, will be made cardinals at the new consistory next February, maybe as early as November 2012.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #19 on:** October 13, 2012, 02:06:14 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11107&view=getnewpost
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It would be a suicidal move on Bishop Fellay's part.

The elderly lady in this picture ought to be ashamed of her immodest top.

JuanDiego · « **Reply #20 on:** October 13, 2012, 02:07:57 PM »

Quote from: SJB

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Abe Lincoln said "a house divided against itself cannot stand", and I truly believe that unity within the SSPX is essential.

Abe Lincoln???

And Jesus knowing their thoughts, said to them: Every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand. [Matthew 12:25]

Thank you SJB I couldn't think of that one fast enought when I was commenting, and I appreciate your referencing it. Sorry if I offended you.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #21 on:** October 13, 2012, 02:08:32 PM »

Quote from: Skunkwurxsspx

Quote from: InDominoSperavi
Gentiloup from the french forum named Un évêque s'est levé (link on my website)read a confidential letter that Bp Fellay sent the superiors of districts. In this letter, Bp Fellay tells Bp Williamson that he gives him 10 days to close his website, to apologize, to promise that he will not criticize any more. Otherwise, he will be expelled from the society. Tomorrow is the last of the 10 days, says Gentiloup...
Avec l'Immaculée

Thank you for the heads-up, InDominoSperavi.

Forceful and decisive . . . only if Bishop Fellay had been so in dealing with modernist Rome! . . . But no.

What is with him??? . . . The NSSPX is admittedly not going to sign any deals with new Rome (at least for the time being), and, according to Fr. Chazal, they're seriously "back-peddling" on the issues.

Would it then not serve Menzingen's "alleged" desire for unity within the Society to seek genuine healing by at least inviting the resistance priest members over to speak their minds and hearts freely and openly in order to hear them out fully without the threat of sanctions?

Wouldn't that be a great fatherly gesture on the part of Bishop Fellay?

I mean, isn't that what a TRUE leader would do who is not afraid of the truth?

What a wasted opportunity for genuine healing and reconciliation!

As far as Bishop Williamson, my preference had been for him to remain within the official structures of the NSSPX so that he might exercise his influence more directly and perhaps one day even ascend to a position of great influence (take Bishop Fellay's current job).

Now that we're seeing the cookie crumble the "other" way with this latest development (sad though it be), it fuels my speculations/hopes that things might be hastened for the Vienna Five to get their first bishop after all.

Proof that they are still preparing for Rome.

Ethelred · « **Reply #22 on:** October 13, 2012, 02:08:56 PM »

Quote from: Nemmersdorf

You must realize that it is almost certain that "THEY" will not allow Bishop W to settle anywhere abroad, because of the "Swedish interview".

That's indeed possible.
Still the good bishop could, once expelled from Bp F's Neo-SSPX, logistically join the resistance cell founded by Frs. Pfeiffer, Chazal, Ringrose, etc. and so strengthen the true SSPX immensely. Then the consecration of new bishops could happen in good old England (allowing more Europeans to attend ... :-) .

Ethelred · « **Reply #23 on:** October 13, 2012, 02:10:46 PM »

Quote from: Seraphim

Proof that they are still preparing for Rome.

Indeed.

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

Bishop Fellay began the purging of the SSPX years ago. Now is the time to complete it. By expelling + Williamson and some district superiors, the faithful will follow and start new. With the opposition gone, what stops them from fulfilling their "just" dream of “reintegration”. This is a well calculated move that may have been ordered from above.

A few days ago, +Williamson stated that there was danger of a deal “before the end of the year”. That same day, I read that BXVI had completed his new encyclical for the "Year of Faith” at Castel Gandolfo, but it would not be released until January. Does it make sense to anyone to delay the precious encyclical for the "Year of Faith” until January with all the fuss and celebration going on? The excuse is that the pope wants to release first his 3rd volume on the life of Christ. I believe that the encyclical will be about the “new 1962 missal” (and the burial of the old) and Rome is waiting for the “reintegration” to take place before the bomb goes off.

Very good observations, Marie Auxiliadora. I'm pretty sure by now that Menzingen only postponed the signature on the Newrome-agreement for a few months (likely late 2012, as you indicate, too), because the three bishops with their April 2012 letter to Menzingen, and Fathers Chazal, Pfeiffer etc throw a monkey wrench into the works of the betrayers. That's why Menzingen does the great "cleansing" since then...

The "agreement is only postponed" thesis became more solid for me when I reported in August 2012 here on Cathinfo about our brave Father Weinzierl:

Running List of SSPX Priests to Support and Pray For

Quote from: me

32) Fr. Hermann Weinzierl (Germany) - His SSPX employment ended due to his disagreement with the SSPX sellout - Contact Info available

The Bavarian Fr. Weinzierl was a former SSPX priest. [..] Now comes the interesting part also for you English-speaking Catholics:

Some weeks ago the German SSPX district superior Fr. Schmidberger demanded from Fr. Weinzierl to sign a docuмent stating that the latter will continue to work for the SSPX also when the SSPX signs an agreement with Newrome.

The point is: If no agreement is planned, you don't need to demand from your (freelancing) priests to sign such a docuмent. Says a lot, doesn't it?

Of course Fr. Weinzierl rejected this traitorous docuмent and so his SSPX employment ended. He's now an independent priest who moved next to the nice Austrian town Bregenz (Bregenzer Festspiele), close to the German, Swiss and Liechtenstein border. In this German-speaking tri-border region the father will look after the traditional Catholics who ask for him.

(By the way, my last information (a week ago, or so) is that Fr. Weinzierl is doing well as independent priest. If I remember correctly, he has about 50 faithful layfolk who attend his Masses in his new place. May God continue to bless you, dear Father!)

John Grace · « **Reply #24 on:** October 13, 2012, 02:11:29 PM »

Quote from: Seraphim

Quote from: John Grace
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11107&view=getnewpost
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It would be a suicidal move on Bishop Fellay's part.

The elderly lady in this picture ought to be ashamed of her immodest top.

Rather off topic.

AntiFellayism · « **Reply #25 on:** October 13, 2012, 02:35:42 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

Quote from: Seraphim
Quote from: John Grace
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11107&view=getnewpost
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It would be a suicidal move on Bishop Fellay's part.

The elderly lady in this picture ought to be ashamed of her immodest top.

Rather off topic.

Off topic but definitely not off sight. Disgusting, really.

Elmer Fudd · « **Reply #26 on:** October 13, 2012, 02:36:36 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

Quote from: Seraphim
Quote from: John Grace
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11107&view=getnewpost
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It would be a suicidal move on Bishop Fellay's part.

The elderly lady in this picture ought to be ashamed of her immodest top.

Rather off topic.

I've seen worse in my own chapel.

Miseremini · « **Reply #27 on:** October 13, 2012, 02:40:51 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

I must disagree, Pablo.

We must have some measure of prudence about where our money is going.

I think that right now, given the current state of the Resistance, the safest way to donate is to find faithful priests and personally put money in their consecrated hands. Just like with any charity, the more personal the better. (More personal = less chance of fraud)

I think 1:6 of the Didache states it very well

6. But concerning this it was also said, "Let thine alms sweat into thine hands until thou knowest to whom thou art giving."

Matthew · « **Reply #28 on:** October 13, 2012, 02:50:49 PM »

Quote from: Elmer Fudd

Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Seraphim
Quote from: John Grace
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11107&view=getnewpost
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It would be a suicidal move on Bishop Fellay's part.

The elderly lady in this picture ought to be ashamed of her immodest top.

Rather off topic.

I've seen worse in my own chapel.

Yes, she disgraces her hoary head.

Who does she think she's kidding? Trying to turn on the young men at 80 or 90?

This is a lesson for us all -- our soul doesn't change even as our body decays and begins to betray us left and right. The women who loves to wear fashionable/immodest clothing at 20 is not going to suddenly change into a modest 1850's matron just because she reached her 80th birthday...

Same goes for young men and lust.

Olive · « **Reply #29 on:** October 13, 2012, 03:15:38 PM »

Here is the direct link to that conference which Marie Aux mentioned:

http://sacraliturgia2013.com/

Looks lovely, eh?