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Offline s2srea

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Bp. Fellay on Francis: "What we have before us is a genuine Modernist!"
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2013, 02:52:07 PM »
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    I think this is the first time Fellay has criticized Francis publicly. I am glad he did.


    It's far too late and it means nothing.It will have no bearing on how laity and priests perceive him.


    I disagree. With how some people view Bishop Felly, and other leaders within the society, they'll bite at whatever he gives... and that where the problem lies. If +Fellay blows with the wind, so does his sheeple who follow blindly one without official authority. Its a dangerous situation.


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    « Reply #16 on: October 14, 2013, 02:55:38 PM »
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  • Please don't jump to take His Excellency too seriously in his comments.  If it wasn't for Modernist Rome, Bishop Fellay would now be part of the conciliar church.  

    Bishop Fellay still downplays his betrayal of April 15, 2012.  He still blames Bishop Williamson and the Resistance priests for the division within the SSPX.  He still shows no signs of regret for his actions.  He still refuses to step down.  No.  If he was sincere and realized his errors, he would humbly admit his mistakes and immediately step down.  These are key pieces of evidence that Bishop Fellay cannot be trusted, regardless of any good intentions.


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    « Reply #17 on: October 14, 2013, 02:58:50 PM »
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  • Modernism is a heresy, +Fellay just labeled Francis a modernist, so +Fellay just called Francis out as a heretic!

    hmmmm... :popcorn:

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    « Reply #18 on: October 14, 2013, 02:59:02 PM »
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    With how some people view Bishop Felly, and other leaders within the society, they'll bite at whatever he gives... and that where the problem lies. If +Fellay blows with the wind, so does his sheeple who follow blindly one without official authority. Its a dangerous situation.


    I agree and that is what I meant. I shall expand on my point in the reply to Ecclesia Militans

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    « Reply #19 on: October 14, 2013, 03:00:53 PM »
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    Please don't jump to take His Excellency too seriously in his comments.

    And don't take John Vennari too seriously either.  He has lost credibility as a writer because of his silence regarding the betrayal of Archbishop Lefebvre by Bishop Fellay and the neo-SSPX superiors.


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    « Reply #20 on: October 14, 2013, 03:08:48 PM »
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    Please don't jump to take His Excellency too seriously in his comments.  If it wasn't for Modernist Rome, Bishop Fellay would now be part of the conciliar church.  

    Bishop Fellay still downplays his betrayal of April 15, 2012.  He still blames Bishop Williamson and the Resistance priests for the division within the SSPX.  He still shows no signs of regret for his actions.  He still refuses to step down.  No.  If he was sincere and realized his errors, he would humbly admit his mistakes and immediately step down.  These are key pieces of evidence that Bishop Fellay cannot be trusted, regardless of any good intentions.


     :applause:

    It is unfortunate but the majority of those that remain assisting at the SSPX have not the inclination to call for Bishop Fellay to resign. If he was sincere he would have resigned though who would replace him is another matter.

    I am sorry to say the bulk of the priests and the laity haven't the inclination to 'get rid of Bishop Fellay'. If one hasn't the inclination or intent they can't act upon it.

    Momentum was lost and Bishop Fellay should have been shafted long ago. It's too late now.

    Bishop Fellay has betrayed Archbishop Lefebvre. That fact matters. At this stage one must declare themselves either with the Resistance or the Church of Bishop Fellay.

    I don't believe Bishop Fellay to be evil or bad. He is a liberal.


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    « Reply #21 on: October 14, 2013, 03:16:53 PM »
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  • yes, francis has worked out quite well for BF, he can do his 'about  face' and appear to be on the side of the angels... a case of carry on regardless.

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    « Reply #22 on: October 14, 2013, 03:51:46 PM »
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    It seems that no matter what Bp. Fellay says will please the resisters, for they they are showing themselves to be of ill will as time goes on. They have dug themselves into a position that they refuse to see even basic logic from.


    The author of the April 15 doctrinal betrayal has lost all moral authority, so his words are seen for mere words. He has some nerve calling anybody inconsistent.


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    « Reply #23 on: October 14, 2013, 03:59:59 PM »
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  • It is possible to address Bishop Fellay's contentions respectfully, and explain why we have problems accepting some of the things he says in this article.

    It is always better to ask for explanations, than to make accusations, if you are hoping to make an impact upon the subject.

    Handled poorly, you can build a hostile disposition, just as that disposition has been imparted to many resisters.

    I will give it a whirl when I get home tonight.

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    « Reply #24 on: October 14, 2013, 05:12:14 PM »
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  • I am certainly glad to read this speech by Bishop Fellay.  The relative silence from the SSPX on Francis has been disappointing up til now.  However I would say that if this is truly a mea culpa on Bishop Fellay's part in regard to how the whole potential agreement of 2012 went down, then I would expect in the near future to hear about some personal apologies and discussions with Bishop Williamson and the priests that were expelled unjustly for pointing out this very fact (the potential agreement is a disaster!).  It may indeed be too late for the SSPX to be a 'big, happy, family' again, after all independent/resistance chapels have already been set up etc.  But I would hope to see at least through back channels some apologies and attempts to patch things up.  Public apologies and Bishop Fellay resigning might be too much to ask for though.  This is of course assuming good will on the part of Bishop Fellay and the SSPX 'top brass'.  I will remain slightly hopeful, but continue watching vigilantly.  I am sure many others who assist at SSPX Masses will do the same.

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    « Reply #25 on: October 14, 2013, 06:04:46 PM »
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    Bishop Fellay on Pope Francis
    “What we have before us is a genuine Modernist!”

                   
    by John Vennari
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    Bishop Bernard Fellay warned on October 12, “The situation of the Church is a real disaster, and the present Pope is making it 10,000 times worse.”  He said this in an address at the Angelus Press Conference, the weekend of Oct 11-13 in Kansas City."


    Yes, so Pope Francis is a genuine Modernist and the Church is lost.  And Pope Benedict XVI is also a genuine Modernist, and the (conciliar) Church is wonderful to deceitfully put all of the SSPX and faithful (in obedience) under his Modernist leadership .

    Hmm... does anyone see a contradiction in this?

    More theatrics for public consumption...


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    « Reply #26 on: October 14, 2013, 06:07:58 PM »
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    Bishop Fellay on Pope Francis - “What we have before us is a genuine Modernist!”




    Like they say, "It takes one to know one!"

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    « Reply #27 on: October 14, 2013, 06:14:42 PM »
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     As is typical of the Modernist, as Pius X warned in Pascendi, the Modernist will sometimes speak in a heretical fashion, and then speak in an orthodox manner.
                   
     



    Perhaps this is why Bishop Fellay can do a 180 without so much as an apology or a "mea culpa".

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    « Reply #28 on: October 14, 2013, 06:22:50 PM »
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    It seems that no matter what Bp. Fellay says will please the resisters, for they they are showing themselves to be of ill will as time goes on. They have dug themselves into a position that they refuse to see even basic logic from. I think in the end such souls will either give up the faith or become a small sect that will fizzle out in the end, much like the Petite eglise.




    No, I think in the end such souls will become the true Remnant, a small sect that saves the True Catholic Faith in its purest form.

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    « Reply #29 on: October 14, 2013, 06:28:53 PM »
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    It seems that no matter what Bp. Fellay says will please the resisters, for they they are showing themselves to be of ill will as time goes on. They have dug themselves into a position that they refuse to see even basic logic from. I think in the end such souls will either give up the faith or become a small sect that will fizzle out in the end, much like the Petite eglise.



    Puh-leeze.... You act as if the Resistance's main point of contention with Bishop Fellay was that he wasn't speaking out against modernism or the pope enough. Really, that has only be a by-product of the main issues; those issues of doctrine. And the fact that many on this very thread have expressed contentment with his words at hand and your refusal to acknowledge that is actual example of your ill-will towards truthful facts. The logic is on our side, trust me you.