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But how are you going to do it, Bernadette?

By standing in line and taking communion in the hand?

By singing along with the choir as it sings "We Are the Bread of Life?"

The Novus Ordo church is the schismatic one because they claim to be catholic but act entirely different.  They have ceased going along with the 2000 year tradition of the Catholic Church.  

But, let's put that aside.

How exactly are you going to bring tradition to your fellow parishioners?

Why are you needling Bernadette?  She already answered your questions sufficiently.

Bernadette has never taken communion in the hand since becoming a traditional Catholic...she doesn't join in and sing...in fact, she tries to go to the most traditional mass she can find if she doesn't go to the Latin Mass of the Diocese which is at a very inconvenient time and distance...and if the sspx is regularized she will go back right away....Bernadette also doesn't go to communion if she feels the priest does not have the right intention...

 :dancing:

What!  Bernadette can know the priest right intention, but a sede can't determine intention.  

Myrna...I can tell, just as you would be able to...for example, when a certain NO priest says loud and clear in his sermon "it is a meal...a meal of commemoration of the death of Christ"...I know that this priest is a bleeding heart liberal, and I would doubt his intention...as would you, I believe.  Trust me...this happened two weeks ago and the priest is an old Irish priest who should know better....

And Myrna...I haven't anything against sedes...in fact I like them quite a bit.  I've sede friends and acquaintances...and in my opinion, the best priests in the world that I have ever had the good fortune to meet have been the sede priests of the CMRI...I just personally can't accept the theory...that is all.

Not to worry Bernadette, I understand you can determine an intention, hopefully you can understand too, when the conciliar "pope" participate with interfaith worship, his intention is known to those who have eyes to see.   A few pages ago, you couldn't understand the question I raised about intention.  Thanks for seeing my point of view now.  

I don't like a pope participating in interfaith worship either...I abhor the modernist mindset...but I also can't understand where the sedes think a true pope is going to come from...who will decide and who it will be...and the question of the new rite of ordination is very troubling...so to abandon it all and take refuge in sedevacantism has presented itself to me as a pretty dream, an easy exit from the problems in the church and not based on the reality of what it means to be a Catholic...a string of bad popes formed by modern theology/products of their own times who truly believing that they are right, can be dealt with easier and is in keeping with the true Catholic viewpoint...my opinion of course.

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SS...if trads hope to increase their numbers...they sure as hell should give a rat's rear end about what the world thinks of them...it isn't advisable to become too self-assured, rather, keep some humility and some charity for those who aren't as 'fortunate' as you....

No, they shouldn't care what the modern world thinks of them. Now, if we're talking about the "Trad community", yeah, ok. But the modern world is not Catholic. The modern world is ruled by wicked ʝʊdɛօ-Masons.

Hey...I gave you a thumbs up for your blank post...ain't I nice?!

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 I will now be able to compare the best arguments from the SSPX camp versus the best arguments (in my opinion) from the sedevacantist camp.

John Lane considers himself "in the SSPX camp" so there's a third category.  

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9389&view=findpost&p=22006186

The argument isn't between SSPXers and sedevacantists.  The argument is between those who think that sedevacantism is a theologically lawful and probable opinion (whether they hold it or not) and those who claim it is morally wrong, theologically wrong, and "schismatic".

In the first group are many SSPX priests, three of the bishops, and many of the laity, and of course Archbishop Lefebvre himself.  In the second camp at present are the General Council of the SSPX, many of the priests of the SSPX, and a whole bunch of fearful and ignorant laymen.  :)

The reality of the current situation is that the real division between traditional Catholics is now being made clear.  The second group - the dogmatising anti-sedevacantists - are joining their confreres in the Ecclesia Dei/Indult scene, even to the point of now saying that the texts of Vatican II have been misunderstood and misapplied, etc., and therefore throwing away the stance taken consistently by Archbishop Lefebvre.  

But it isn't clear yet where this will end.  It may well be that Bishop Fellay and his Council will reverse direction and once again maintain the position of Archbishop Lefebvre.  Anything else will split the Society, which would be a tragedy.

When the day comes that +Williamson, +de Galleretta, and +Tissier categorically state that sedevacantism is a theologically lawful and probable opinion for all the sspx faithful and anyone else in the world interested to hear, then I might sit up and listen....

Alright, thanks for clearing that up.

Okay SS-no sense of humor

For the record, I DO have a sense of humor. If you met me in real life, you'd find that I cut up a lot. I am usually serious on here, though.

I can be humorous when I want to, though.  :alcohol:

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Quote from: Capt McQuigg

But how are you going to do it, Bernadette?

By standing in line and taking communion in the hand?

By singing along with the choir as it sings "We Are the Bread of Life?"

The Novus Ordo church is the schismatic one because they claim to be catholic but act entirely different.  They have ceased going along with the 2000 year tradition of the Catholic Church.  

But, let's put that aside.

How exactly are you going to bring tradition to your fellow parishioners?

Why are you needling Bernadette?  She already answered your questions sufficiently.

Bernadette has never taken communion in the hand since becoming a traditional Catholic...she doesn't join in and sing...in fact, she tries to go to the most traditional mass she can find if she doesn't go to the Latin Mass of the Diocese which is at a very inconvenient time and distance...and if the sspx is regularized she will go back right away....Bernadette also doesn't go to communion if she feels the priest does not have the right intention...

 :dancing:

What!  Bernadette can know the priest right intention, but a sede can't determine intention.  

Myrna...I can tell, just as you would be able to...for example, when a certain NO priest says loud and clear in his sermon "it is a meal...a meal of commemoration of the death of Christ"...I know that this priest is a bleeding heart liberal, and I would doubt his intention...as would you, I believe.  Trust me...this happened two weeks ago and the priest is an old Irish priest who should know better....

And Myrna...I haven't anything against sedes...in fact I like them quite a bit.  I've sede friends and acquaintances...and in my opinion, the best priests in the world that I have ever had the good fortune to meet have been the sede priests of the CMRI...I just personally can't accept the theory...that is all.

Not to worry Bernadette, I understand you can determine an intention, hopefully you can understand too, when the conciliar "pope" participate with interfaith worship, his intention is known to those who have eyes to see.   A few pages ago, you couldn't understand the question I raised about intention.  Thanks for seeing my point of view now.  

I don't like a pope participating in interfaith worship either...I abhor the modernist mindset...but I also can't understand where the sedes think a true pope is going to come from...who will decide and who it will be...and the question of the new rite of ordination is very troubling...so to abandon it all and take refuge in sedevacantism has presented itself to me as a pretty dream, an easy exit from the problems in the church and not based on the reality of what it means to be a Catholic...a string of bad popes formed by modern theology/products of their own times who truly believing that they are right, can be dealt with easier and is in keeping with the true Catholic viewpoint...my opinion of course.

My own opinion of what I bolded above for Bernadette is:  Have a little Faith, it's not up to you or I to fix the crisis, its up to us to live and keep the faith right now.   Just like when the apostles were in the boat and the storm came, Jesus was sleeping and the apostles were so scared  woke Jesus and said: "Master we perish" and Jesus said: "Where is your faith?"  Luke Chapter 8

 

Hmm... yeah, it appears Tele won't be joining us tonight. That's a shame.