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Offline Mr G

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FSSP Expelled in France
« on: July 15, 2021, 12:27:27 PM »
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  • The Remnant Newspaper - CONCELEBRATE OR GO TO HELL: FSSP Expelled in France



    Edward Pentin | DIJON, France — A French archbishop who plans to expel a traditional priestly fraternity from his diocese because they won’t concelebrate Masses has said he took the decision in anticipation of a new decree, or motu proprio, that Pope Francis is reported to be preparing to publish.

    “You will have a new motu proprio in the coming days or weeks,” Archbishop Roland Minnerath of Dijon was filmed telling a group of faithful who were protesting against the archbishop’s decision outside the city’s archdiocesan offices on June 26.

    On June 16, Catholic News Agency reported that Archbishop Minnerath would be expelling the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP) from the Basilica of Fontaine-lès-Dijon, St. Bernard of Clairvaux’s birthplace, at the end of the summer.

    Father Roch Perrel, the FSSP’s superior in Dijon, told CNA that the archbishop had made the decision because the FSSP’s priests fail to follow a practice promoted at the Second Vatican Council of two or more priests concelebrating at the altar.

    “[Archbishop Minnerath] wanted to concelebrate the Chrism Mass during Holy Week, but we haven’t done it for years, as we have reservations about the new [Paul VI] Mass and we don’t celebrate at the same pace,” said Father Perrel, who went on to emphasize that, according to Canon 902 of the Code of Canon Law, no one can be forced to concelebrate.

    “The archbishop had first accepted [their refusal], although he didn’t like it, but now he is kicking us out for this motive, and in this sense, he is abusing his authority,” Father Perrel said, adding that the archbishop had been wanting to transfer the community a year ago.
    The archbishop’s decision has caused an outcry in the parish and came in the context of well-sourced reports that give credence to the archbishop’s comments that Pope Francis is drafting a motu proprio that aims to restrict the celebration of Mass in the Extraordinary Form — news first reported May 25 on the Italian website MessainLatino.
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    REMNANT COMMENT: Perhaps this will help our critics understand why The Remnant has been vehemently opposed to a Society of St. Pius X “reconciliation” under Francis?

    If this papal plan were implemented, just imagine how much worse it would be right now if Bishop Bernard Fellay had "regularized" the SSPX a couple of years ago. There would be no recourse and no bargaining chips either. Why? Because, as it is, if the Vatican shuts down the FSSP and the other Ecclesia Dei communities, millions of traditional Catholics will just march on over to the SSPX.

    Archbishop Lefebvre was right when he said that the only way his Society could reconcile with the Vatican at this point would be if the Vatican were to return to the Catholic Faith. Until that happens, the defense of the Faith comes first... even if that should incur the wrath of Pachamama herself.  

    By the way, I'm convinced that the vast majority of FSSP priests will not go along with the anti-SP insanity either. In Dijon they're already refusing to back down, just as they'll do all over the world if this papal persecution continues.

    If Francis wants a war all he has to do is carry on. He will have squandered the last bit of credibility he has left, and he will look even weaker in the eyes of his ɠƖobaƖıst handlers.

    In other words, go ahead Francis. Knock yourself out!  MJM


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    Re: FSSP Expelled in France
    « Reply #1 on: July 15, 2021, 02:25:05 PM »
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  • So the FSSP is going to head toward the classic SSPX/Resistance position? yeah right!

    But just imagine if the SSPX keeps heading toward Rome, with increasing docility and obedience, while the FSSP gets rebellious and heads the other way.

    The SSPX and FSSP would literally switch places!

    Nothing would surprise me, though, given the Clown World we're living in.
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    Re: FSSP Expelled in France
    « Reply #2 on: July 15, 2021, 02:37:32 PM »
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  • One FSSP priest did say he'd sooner work at Walmart than say the New Order. We might discover tomorrow whether the rumours are real, exaggerated, or just something mostly conjured up by online trad grifters.

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    Re: FSSP Expelled in France
    « Reply #3 on: July 15, 2021, 02:56:40 PM »
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  • I'm guessing the AntiMotu will include an exemption for FSSP and similar (pending episcopal approval).  They don't wan to send the FSSP back over to the SSPX.

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    Re: FSSP Expelled in France
    « Reply #4 on: July 15, 2021, 03:03:49 PM »
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  • One FSSP priest did say he'd sooner work at Walmart than say the New Order. We might discover tomorrow whether the rumours are real, exaggerated, or just something mostly conjured up by online trad grifters.
    I wonder if an Eastern Rite priest with biritual faculties would be required to say the New Mass. I remember reading an article about a married byzantine priest who said the TLM, Divine Liturgy, and Novus Ordo.


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    Re: FSSP Expelled in France
    « Reply #5 on: July 15, 2021, 03:55:09 PM »
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  • One FSSP priest did say he'd sooner work at Walmart than say the New Order.

    I sympathize. I don't know why any priest would bother giving his life to say the Novus Ordo.

    All the priests in the famous book "Priest, Where is Thy Mass?" said the same thing: that they finally felt like a real priest when they discovered and said their first Tridentine Mass. And all those in the book never looked back.

    At least working at wal-mart facilitates people getting needed groceries and other merchandise. Saying the Novus Ordo? All it accomplishes is a diminution of the Faith, a loss of belief in countless Catholic dogmas, and the destruction of the Church.

    Better for a priest to retire, if he doesn't have the courage to be Traditional and "disobey" man to follow God in the Traditional Movement.
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    Re: FSSP Expelled in France
    « Reply #6 on: July 15, 2021, 04:34:11 PM »
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  • I sympathize. I don't know why any priest would bother giving his life to say the Novus Ordo.

    All the priests in the famous book "Priest, Where is Thy Mass?" said the same thing: that they finally felt like a real priest when they discovered and said their first Tridentine Mass. And all those in the book never looked back.

    I know that exact feeling.  When I was about 10, I concluded that I would like to be a priest.  Then, as I experienced one NO priest after another, I decided it wasn’t for me.  When I finally saw a video of the Tridentine Mass, a light bulb went off ... THAT is what I was drawn to.  So that rekindled my desire to be a priest, and some years later I ended up at STAS.

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    Re: FSSP Expelled in France
    « Reply #7 on: July 15, 2021, 04:39:01 PM »
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  • Heh.  Maybe Bergoglio is going to kill two birds with one stone tomorrow: Get rid of SP AND then retire!  
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: FSSP Expelled in France
    « Reply #8 on: July 15, 2021, 04:51:10 PM »
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  • I wonder if an Eastern Rite priest with biritual faculties would be required to say the New Mass. I remember reading an article about a married byzantine priest who said the TLM, Divine Liturgy, and Novus Ordo.
    If a priest is in an Eastern Rite parish under an Eastern Rite Bishop, I don't think that's likely, but if a priest is a sort of solo operator catering maybe to small Greek or Eastern body of faithful, who knows? They sometimes use biritual for NOM & TLM priests, but Eastern or Greek Rite priests offering the Mass of Ages or the Pauline liturgy are the only biritual.
    If the rumoured near suppression (now I think the Taylor Marshall idea that it would mean FSSP priests forced to say the New Ordo seems a bit far fetched, surely stripping diocesan priests of the faculties to offer it seems simpler) comes to pass, hopefully there will be Conciliar priests willing to abandon the relative security of their circuмstances for a traditional Mass circuit which is a far harder thing.

    I sympathize. I don't know why any priest would bother giving his life to say the Novus Ordo.

    All the priests in the famous book "Priest, Where is Thy Mass?" said the same thing: that they finally felt like a real priest when they discovered and said their first Tridentine Mass. And all those in the book never looked back.

    At least working at wal-mart facilitates people getting needed groceries and other merchandise. Saying the Novus Ordo? All it accomplishes is a diminution of the Faith, a loss of belief in countless Catholic dogmas, and the destruction of the Church.

    Better for a priest to retire, if he doesn't have the courage to be Traditional and "disobey" man to follow God in the Traditional Movement.
    Even Walmart can be a basis for starting out offering Mass in front rooms or sheds. And Walmart (apart from their bicycles, for one nearly killed me) is a far more useful thing that the New Ordo which just demoralises. 
    Part of me thinks nothing will happen. Francis never denied rumours that went out before about suppression, but didn't mind agitating people he despised. Who knows (except Francis and crew obviously)?