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Bp Tissier calls into question NO Ordination
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2016, 09:03:00 PM »
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    Deo gratias! So much for the idea that Bishop Tissier was weak and compromising .....


    I think he draws strength and courage from his priestly comrades when surrounded by them, and that is why they isolated him in the Chicago priory, away from his French roots, from which he might have drawn more courage to stand up for the fight.

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    « Reply #16 on: July 03, 2016, 09:06:28 PM »
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  • If you were a witch...


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    « Reply #17 on: July 03, 2016, 10:21:26 PM »
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    Deo gratias! So much for the idea that Bishop Tissier was weak and compromising .....

    I think he draws strength and courage from his priestly comrades when surrounded by them, and that is why they isolated him in the Chicago priory, away from his French roots, from which he might have drawn more courage to stand up for the fight.


    The French can become a courageous fighting force when they have a COMMANDER to lead them, but it's not so easy for him to lead from 6,000 miles away in Illinois by Lake Michigan, where the earth is reputedly flat, fer cryin' out loud.*


    *If you're not sure what "fer cryin' out loud" means, ask someone from Chicago.

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    « Reply #18 on: July 03, 2016, 10:32:50 PM »
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  • Neil/matto - I think that the occult gets their hosts from NO conservative(ish) masses.  Because, communion in the hand makes it so easy for them.  When I was in the NO I caught a teenager in the pew in front of me with his host in his hand.  I made him eat it.  It revealed to me how easily they can be smuggled out of there.  Communion in the hand is an enormous abuse.  

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    « Reply #19 on: July 03, 2016, 11:06:35 PM »
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    Neil/matto - I think that the occult gets their hosts from NO conservative(ish) masses.  Because, communion in the hand makes it so easy for them.  When I was in the NO I caught a teenager in the pew in front of me with his host in his hand.  I made him eat it.  It revealed to me how easily they can be smuggled out of there.  Communion in the hand is an enormous abuse.  

    Here's an ironic situation for you:  while Newchurch progressives deny the aspect of sacrifice in the Mass, witches have utter disgust for validly consecrated communion hosts. Some say being physically close to one makes them queasy or nauseous. The reason for this is, they "can't stand to be in the presence of the one who is." Even so, they prefer a TLM host for the purpose of conducting a Black Mass. You see, for a witch, such a ritual is really a sacrifice for them because they get sick to their stomach, but they do it anyway.  That's a true sacrifice, literally. Isn't that ironic?

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    « Reply #20 on: July 03, 2016, 11:20:30 PM »
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  • It is so much easier to have an invalid Novus Ordo Mass, compared to a Tridentine Mass.

    Just for starters, the Novus Ordo encourages "individuality" and experimentation on the part of the priest, which totally opens the door to invalid consecrations, depending on what the priest chooses to do that day. For example, invalid matter for the sacrament -- or invalid form.

    The devil is real and he exists. I'm sure he hates the TLM and he conspired to get it reduced to a rare event (after Vatican II) for a good reason.

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    « Reply #21 on: July 06, 2016, 09:55:49 PM »
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    https://damselofthefaith.wordpress.com/2016/07/02/econe-ordination-sermon-of-bishop-tissier-de-mallerias-2016/


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    An unofficial translation of the profound and powerful sermon on the nature of the priesthood given by His Lordship, Bishop Tissier de Mallerais at the ordinations at the Seminary of St. Pius X, Ecône, Switzerland, 29th June 2016.

    Instaurare omnia in Christo

    In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

    Monseigneur the Superior General,
    My Lord,
    My dear brothers in the priesthood,
    Dear ordinands,
    Dear faithful,

    It is with great joy that we are undertaking this ordination of the numerous ordinands [8 priests and 12 deacons]. We remember the beautiful words of St. Pius X “To restore all things in Christ” …especially by the Catholic priesthood.

    The feast of St. Peter and St. Paul, which we celebrate today, has this beautiful prayer that I invite you to ponder: “O God, Who made this day holy by the martyrdom of Thine Apostle Peter and Paul, grant Thy Church to follow in all things the teaching of those from whom she first received the faith.” To fully profess the teachings the Church received through the preaching of the Holy Apostles, the Catholic faith, is the purpose for which we will ordain these deacons and priests.

    The priest, a real mediator between God and men

    The priest, dear friends, is nothing other than the mediator between God and men, Mediator Dei et hominum.

    Certainly our Lord Jesus Christ alone is mediator of redemption through the Cross, but the priesthood, instituted by our Lord Jesus Christ, is the instrument of Christ-the-Priest to implement the redemption of souls through the mouth, heart, hands of the priest – sending up the prayer of the Church to God. This prayer of praise, supplication of the faithful is sent up by the priest. The priest is an intercessory mediator.

    And in return, the grace of God will descend upon the faithful through the heart, with the words, by the hands, by the gestures of the priest.

    So the priest is really mediator between God and men, reconciling God with men – especially by the great prayer of atonement and supplication which is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass – which in turn obtains the propitiation of God toward sinners.

    Symbolised by the incensation of the offertory

    This lifelong, dual role of ascending and descending mediation, dear ordinands, is expressed very well in the incensing of the offerings in the Offertory of the Mass. The priest will start by drawing three signs of the cross on the offerings (i.e. the chalice filled with wine and the paten on which the host). He draws three large signs of the cross with the censer “Incensum istud – ad te benedictum – ascendat ad te Domine“. He says these words: “May this incense – by Thee blessed –  ascend to Thee, Lord” to express prayer, the great prayer of our Lord on the Cross, the supplication of Our Lord on the Cross for sinners.

    And then the censer will draw three concentric circles around the offerings “et descendat super nos misericordia tua” “and may Thy mercy descend upon us”: three encircling gestures as if God’s mercy was enveloping us all, entirely, to express, by the action of the priest, the grace, forgiveness, the mercy of God (true mercy) in response to the regret for sins and repentance of the sinner.

    So it is in this spirit of Catholic priesthood as mediator between God and men I will order you, dear ordinands.

    Loss of understanding of the Catholic Priesthood

    Recently, oh it three years ago, a survey was made by the media in a European country deemed fervent in the Catholic faith. And it was a survey on the piety of the priest – to know what was the piety of the priest today.

    The survey first touched upon the prayer life of the priest, because the priest is precisely the man of prayer and grace. And they were asked the question: “How long, how regularly do you pray, you Catholic priests of the Catholic Church?” And the result of the survey was that 42% of the priests of this “fervent” country did not even pray once a day, even less than that, and some did not pray at all. 42% of the priests of this country. This is the situation of the Church, the priesthood today.

    The question was asked: “How regularly do you go to confession, you priests who also need to receive the sacrament of penance?” And the answer was that 54% go to confession once a year or less or less. That is to say, therefore, that the priest as the man of grace and mercy has disappeared from the face of the Church.

    Mission of the Society of St. Pius X

    Such is the current situation of the priesthood and therefore the urgency that the Priestly Society of St. Pius X, who received its inheritance of the Church from our venerated founder, communicates this ideal and even this reality of the Catholic priesthood – this mediator and sanctifying of souls, this reality of the priest as a man of prayer and of grace.

    And the Society uses all appropriate means today, given the situation of the Church, to transmit to all the priests of the Church, the truth of the Priesthood of Our Lord Jesus Christ, this reality of Christ Priest and King, communicates it to the whole Church.

    Priest as Mediator symbolised in the ordination ceremony

    This nature of the priest as mediator seems to me very simply illustrated in the ordination ceremony:

    by the anointing of the hands of the priest,
    by the tradition of the chalice and paten,
    and by the second imposition of hands accompanied by the power to absolve sins.
    These three rites are performed after the actual ordination, when the ordinands are already priests by the silent imposition of hands by the Bishop and the consecration preface. They are already priests. Nevertheless the Church insists on these three secondary rites, to clarify what is the nature of the priest’s power.

    1. Annointing of hands – to consecrate & bless

    And first, the anointing of the hands, so beautiful, so rich in significance. The priest is not a man like the others, he is consecrated because of the anointing of his hands. When anointing the hands of the ordinand, the Bishop says these words: “Consecrate and sanctify, Lord, by this anointing and our blessing, these hands so that all they bless and consecrate may be consecrated and sanctified the name of the Lord.”

    Now through your hands, dear candidates for the priesthood, you will accomplish wonders, you will consecrate and sanctify. Consecrate at the Mass, of course, holding the paten which will support our Lord Jesus Christ – His sacrificed Body, taking the chalice that will become the chalice of Precious Blood. So you will consecrate the Holy Eucharist – sacramentally renewing the Sacrifice of the Cross.

    And you will sanctify souls by your hands, by all the blessings of the Church, by baptism, by the Holy Communions that you give.

    Now, my dear faithful, this wonderful anointing the priest’s hands was sabotaged by the conciliar Church for the last 46 years. Paul VI instituted other words which do not speak of consecration or sanctification. That’s why we carefully keep this treasure of prayers of ordination.

    2. Presentation of the chalice and paten – offer the Sacrifice

    The second rite is the rite of presentation to the young priest’s chalice and paten, with very clear words: “Receive the power to offer the Sacrifice to God.” These words cannot be found in other part of the ordination. Nowhere. It is in this secondary rite you will find the ultimate precision of what the priesthood is that you will receive. Receive the power to offer the Sacrifice to God, and he continues, “and to celebrate the Mass both for the living and the dead in the name of the Lord.” To celebrate Mass, it is clear, both for the living and the dead.

    Not just a sacrifice of praise for the living, but also the sacrifice of expiation and propitiation for the souls in purgatory about which we no longer talk in the Church today. Your priesthood is a priesthood that has effects in eternity, not only on earth but in heaven to bring souls to heaven and purgatory to rescue souls.

    Archbishop Lefebvre told us: “The priest is a man of eternity, who does not live in time but whose priesthood has effects in eternity.”

    Now this beautiful prayer was deliberately viciated, again, by the conciliar church, the new ordination rite where the Bishop presents the chalice and paten with the wine and host, and yes, simply saying: “Receive the gifts of the faithful to offer them to God.” So what is this? You receive the gifts of the faithful to offer to God? That’s all? We do not receive the gift of the faithful, we receive the gift of God which is our Lord Jesus Christ sacrificed on the cross to offer again to God His Father. That’s the truth! We cannot, of course, accept this new sabotaged rite of ordination which poses doubts about the validity of many ordinations according to the new rite.

    3. Unfolding the chasuble – forgive sins

    And the third beautiful rite, secondary it is true and yet so important, symbolises the power to absolve sins. The priest says to the ordinand, deploying his chasuble to signify that now he will be able to exercise his priesthood and all his priestly duties, he says, “Receive the Holy Ghost. Those whose sins you forgive will be forgiven and those you retain shall be retained.” The beautiful words of our Lord to the apostles on Easter Day, Easter Sunday evening. What could be more beautiful? They express this power, that young priests have already received by the laying on of hands and the silent preface this is true, but express explicitly that the priest has the power to forgive sins. You tell me, but only God can forgive sins. Exactly the priest is the instrument of God, our Lord Jesus Christ, to forgive sins.

    Now my dear faithful that prayer, this rite of transmitting the power to forgive sin, was simply deleted from the new rite of ordination. There is no trace of it. So this new rite of ordination is not Catholic. And so we will of course continue faithfully transmitting the real and valid priesthood – made valid by the traditional rite of ordination.

    I conclude, dear faithful, inviting you to invoke the Blessed Virgin Mary, her Immaculate Heart, which can only have pity for the plight of the Church of Rome today, so that she helps us to transmit the torch: to clearly preach the doctrine of our Lord Jesus Christ, true God, true King, true priest; this doctrine of the priesthood of our Lord Jesus Christ in which our future priests will participate today by the grace of God, Amen.

    In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. Amen

    What doctrinal beauty regarding the nation of the Holy Priesthood comes from the mouth of the good Bishop! May God bless him!
    ~Damsel of the Faith




    Just for reference sake, it might be nice to have these two ordination sermons together on one page.  The one above is by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, and the one below by Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta:


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    The link already doesn't work (I copied this from Google cache), but here it is:
    http://sspx.org/en/mgr-de-galarretas-sermon-ordinations-2016

    Given by Mgr. Alfonso de Galarreta
    Winona, MN - June 3, 2016

     

    Today is a day full of joy – of a noble, profound, Christian joy – bringing us together around the altar and the sacrifice of Our Lord, in order to confer the sacred orders of Priesthood and Deaconate, on this feast day of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, our priestly ideal.

    “Sacerdos alter Christus” – the priest is another Christ who, by means of the sacrament of the Eucharist, continues the presence and action of Our Lord, Eternal High Priest. As a sacrament, the Eucharist perpetuates the incarnation, the presence of Our Lord among us. As a sacrifice, it perpetuates the redemption, the cross of Our Lord.

    The Sacred Heart of Jesus is the object of the preaching and apostolate of the priest. But it is also, at the same time, the form and model of the priestly spirituality and activity. St. Paul wants us to know the inexhaustible treasures of wisdom, science, holiness and charity that lay in the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

    Our Lord Himself reveals to us these treasures of His priestly Heart when He says: “I am the way, the truth, the life.” Not one way, or one truth, or one life – but the way, the truth, the life.

    St. Augustine says that Our Lord is the way as Man, and the truth and life as God. For that reason, Our Lord is, at the same time, the fatherland and our way to the fatherland.

    Our Lord is Way because nobody can go to the Father unless it is through Him. He is Way because He is the High Priest who reconciles men with God. He is the only Mediator. He is Way through His Priesthood, His Kingship and His Church, the only Bride and Mystical Body of Christ, and there is no other way to attain God.

    Our Lord is also Truth, Wisdom incarnate, Light without darkness, without error or lies: “For this I have come into the world, to give testimony of the truth… and all those who are of the Truth hear My voice.” Our Lord died on the cross to give testimony of this truth. He is the source of all truth.

    He is also Life – resurrection and Life: “I have come so that my sheep may have life, and life in abundance.”  Our Lord is the supernatural life of souls by His grace, His virtues and holiness, His sacrifice, which is the source of all graces and holiness.

    The proof that the priests is the apostle of the Heart of Jesus is given by the correspondence that exists between what Our Lord tells us and the powers received by the priest with the sacramental character and grace.

    The priest has a triple power: “postestas regendi, potestas docendi, potestas sanctificandi.” The power to rule, to direct souls in the Way that is Our Lord Jesus Christ. The power to teach the truth, only the truth, integral, supernatural truth. The power to communicate grace to souls and sanctify them in Our Lord Jesus Christ, the power to offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

    At the same time, the reflection on these three powers and their relation with the treasures of the Sacred Heart proves and explains why the solution to the present crisis of the Church resides in the Catholic priesthood, in its sanctity and fidelity.

    The Liberal, Modernist spirit that has penetrated into the Church opposed Our Lord and His action.

    Our Lord is the Way – and religious freedom dissolves the social Kingship of Christ. The Church is the only way of salvation, and the Modernist spirit relativizes this and leads to religious indifferentism.

    The situation in the Church is clear: there is a doctrinal, dogmatic relativism, which in turn leads to moral relativism and ends into the acceptance and promotion of sin, of scandal.

    A clear example of this is the question of the communion to the divorced and supposedly "remarried.” There is a new attitude of the Church regarding these de facto unions, and even unnatural unions. An unconceivable situation, directly opposed to Our Lord as Life, Truth and Way.

    If the ecclesiastical authorities have reached to the point of calling the evil good, it is because they have first called the error truth. All this holds together – between all these things there is coherence, logic, causality.

    Our Lord taught us that the tree is recognized by its fruits, and the good tree produces good fruits. Therefore, if the fruit is bitter, corrupted, an incitement to sin, then most certainly the tree from which it comes is a bad tree. And if the tree is bad, it is because the seed was bad.

    The problem we live today in the Church is not only of consequences, but the whole of the post-Council is the bad tree, and all of it is virtually contained in its seed, the Second Vatican Council.

    If today we are faced with the scandal of communion of the divorced “remarried,” it is on account of the legislation and practice of the post-Council, which allowed the inversion of the ends of marriage, weakened the indissolubility, and introduced personalism by inventing a new good of marriage: the personal good of the spouses.

    All these doctrines, which for years now have been entering into the Church, are contained in the Council, in Gaudium et Spes, which establishes these principles. And when the present Pope permits all these things, there is only the homogenous development of error.

    At the same time, we are amazed that there is no general reaction in the Church against these measures, that there is no group of Bishops or Cardinals who publicly oppose this scandal. This shows the gravity of Modernism, which firstly disarms, makes the antibodies disappear.

    While there are some improvements, a certain dissolution of this spirit, regarding us it is always the same: to be recognized we will have to accept the conciliar novelties…

    Not long ago, Pope Francis felt obliged to correct Mgr. Pozzo’s words, stating that the recognition of the SSPX is possible, but only with the previous acknowledgment of Vatican II, because it has its value.

    The hierarchical superior of Mgr. Pozzo, Cardinal Mueller, explains that to be Catholic one has to accept the Pope and the Council – religious liberty, ecuмenism, etc., are doctrine, common doctrine, that is, doctrine of faith. He compares this with the case of the resurrection of Our Lord, a truth of faith, but one that has not been explicitly defined. And he concludes saying that to demand the acknowledgment of the Council is not an unreasonable demand and should not be an unsurmountable obstacle for the SSPX. In fact, this acknowledgment will lead us to “full communion,” a communion in error. It is clear that the condition is the acceptance of the Council and post-Council.

    Therefore, it is also clear that the combat continues. As our General Superior, Bishop Fellay, has said, if we have to choose between faith and a compromise, the choice is already made – no compromise.


    God may certainly change the circuмstances, put us in a different situation, and that is our firm hope. But reality is what it is.

    The Sacred Heart of Jesus is also, essentially, the Heart of the Redeemer, a Heart of reparation. St. Margaret Mary says that Our Lord showed her that there were two sanctities, that of love and that of justice, and both are demanding, strict, each in its own way.

    There is a double holiness and reparation, to justice and charity, and the priest must offer himself together with Our Lord for the redemption of men and in reparation. Our Lord Himself gave to His apostles this golden rule when He said: “I sacrifice Myself for them, for them to be sanctified in Truth.”

    That must be our attitude towards those who are of the family of the Church, the authorities. That is the solution for those errors and weaknesses that we denounce. We have the key, in our true identification with the priestly Heart of Jesus.

    As St. John says, we must believe in love, in the love of Our Lord, we must trust in the powerful aid of His grace. We have to answer love with love, gift with our own gift, sacrifice with our own sacrifice. That is the way of redemption and restoration.

    Let us go to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the heart of a Mother, full of love, goodness, mercy, constancy and patience, as the love of a mother is. And Her heart is the surest, most perfect and shortest way to the sacred Heart of Jesus.

    Amen.


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