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Offline AntiFellayism

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  • Ordained a priest at 30, and consecrated a bishop at 66 years old.
    I stand corrected on St. Alphonsus.
    Non Habemus Papam


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  • "Bishops in their 30s" were actually quite common right before Vatican II ... especially in mission territories, where people needed the Sacraments.  And that's the case today as well.  Now, certainly, no bishop would receive ordinary jurisdiction over a diocese at such a young age, but then that's not what's going on here either.  We are in a missionary situation these days.  I don't have any real problem with the age.  One might argue that there are too many bishops, but not compared to the size of the world, and the "two bishops in every garage" is an exaggeration.  It's more like two bishops for every continent.
    There is a joke going around that for the sedevacantists, there are more bishops than priests around :laugh1::laugh2:


    Thục-line bishops
    The "Thục-line" bishops essentially means bishops who derive their episcopacy from Archbishop Thục or from bishops in Thục's lineage. The "Thục-line" is lengthy and complex, reportedly comprising 200 or more individuals.[37] Many bishops in the "Thục-line" are part of the non-sedevacantist but conclavist Palmarian Catholic Church; this is due to Thục having consecrated Bishop Clemente Domínguez y Gómez, future head of the Palmarian Church, and the very numerous episcopal consecrations within this organization.

    In 1981, in Toulon, France, Archbishop Thục consecrated three sedevacantist bishops. On 7 May 1981, he consecrated the sedeprivationist French priest Michel-Louis Guérard des Lauriers as a bishop. Des Lauriers was a Dominican theologian, an expert on the dogma of the Assumption, an advisor to Pope Pius XII,[38] a former professor at the Dominican university Le Saulchoir in Belgium and later at the Pontifical Lateran University in Rome,[39] a former professor at the International Seminary of Saint Pius X of the SSPX in Écône, Switzerland, and the main intellectual force behind the famous critical study of the Mass of Paul VI (Novus Ordo Mass) called the Ottaviani Intervention, presented to Paul VI in October 1969.[40][41][42] On 17 October of the same year, Thục consecrated the two sedevacantist Mexican priests and former seminary professors Moisés Carmona and Adolfo Zamora as bishops.[43] Carmona and Zamora had been sedevacantist leaders and propagators in Mexico[44] for many years,[45] and were among the priests who formed the Unión Católica Trento[43] (Tridentine Catholic Union).[31] The Vatican declared Thục ipso facto excommunicated for these consecrations and for his declaration of sedevacantism.[46]

    The sedevacantist community generally accepts and respects bishops descended from the three sedevacantist bishops Thục consecrated in 1981 (des Lauriers, Carmona, and Zamora).

    Living notable sedevacantist bishops who descend from Archbishop Thục through Bishop Moisés Carmona include Bishop Mark Pivarunas of the Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen (consecrated in 1991 by Carmona), Bishop Daniel Dolan of Cincinnati (consecrated in 1993 by Pivarunas), and Bishop Martín Dávila Gandara of the Sociedad Sacerdotal Trento (consecrated in 1999 by Pivarunas and Dolan).

    Living notable sedevacantist bishops who descend from Archbishop Thục through Bishop Guerard des Lauriers, O.P., include Bishop Geert Stuyver of the Istituto Mater Boni Consilii (consecrated in 2002 by Bishop Robert McKenna, O.P.), Bishop Donald Sanborn of the Roman Catholic Institute (consecrated in 2002 by McKenna), and Bishop Joseph Selway of the Roman Catholic Institute (consecrated in 2018 by Sanborn, Dolan, and Stuyver).

    Méndez-line bishops
    On 19 October 1993, in Carlsbad, California, United States, Bishop Méndez-Gonzalez consecrated the sedevacantist Father Clarence Kelly of the Society of Saint Pius V (SSPV) to the episcopacy. By Méndez' wish, the consecration was kept secret until his death in 1995.[47][48][49]

    There are two sedevacantist bishops who descend from Bishop Méndez through Bishop Kelly: Bishop Joseph Santay (consecrated in 2007 by Kelly[50]) and Bishop James Carroll (consecrated in 2018 by Santay and Kelly[51]).

    Kelly, Santay, and Carroll are bishops of the Congregation of Saint Pius V.

    Whose lineages derive from earlier movements
    A considerable number of sedevacantist bishops are thought to derive their holy orders from Bishop Carlos Duarte Costa, who in 1945 set up his own schismatic "Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church".[52][53] Carlos Duarte Costa was not a sedevacantist, and instead questioned the status of the papacy itself – he denied Papal Infallibility and rejected the pope's universal jurisdiction.[54] In further contrast to most Catholic traditionalism, Duarte Costa was left-wing.[55]

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism


    Offline Ladislaus

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  • Yes, I believe that the +Carmona and +des Lauriers lines are solid.

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  • Dear Sirs

    Dom Vital Maria Gonçalves de Oliveira was consecrated Bishop of Olinda  in may 21, 1871 at age 26.
    The Bishop Rodrigo consecration can be seen at



    Bishop Dolan is much respected here in Brazil; he´s a great Bishop.
    He was ordained father by Mons. Lefebvre.

    God bless you all.



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  • Young bishops in the history of the Church:

    James as Latin Archbishop of Nicosia. James was just 16 at the time.
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    Odo of Bayeux, half brother of William the Conqueror. Unfortunately, we don't know his year of birth; estimates range from 1030 to 1035 so he may have been as young as 14 or as old as 19 when his brother William made him bishop in either 1049 or 1050.
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    Prince Frederick, Duke of York and Albany, the second son of King George III.  Born on 16 August 1763, he was appointed as Prince Bishop of Osnabrück on 27 February 1764, at the age of just 6 months and 11 days!
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    Hugh of Vermandois became Archbishop of Reims in 925, at only five years old.
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    In 933 Emperor Romanus I Lekapenos appointed his youngest son, Theophylaktos (917-956) Patriarch (and thus bishop) of Constantinople aged 16.
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    Rannuccio Farnese (1530-1565) was made a Cardinal-deacon in 1545 age 15 by his grandfather Pope Paul III. He was also granted several bishoprics, including titular Latin Patriarch of Constantinople in 1546 age 15 or 16. His oldest brother Alessandro (1520-1589) was appointed Bishop of Monreal in Sicily in 1536 aged 15 years, 7 months, and 10 days.


    https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/48369/has-there-ever-been-an-archbishop-or-bishop-younger-than-the-16-year-old-james-o
    Odo of Bayeux was more a soldier than a bishop. During the battle of Hastings he rode into battle armed and armoured, except he welded a mace so as not a draw blood. Almost all of those examples are young and worldly aristocrats, and Prince Frederick was Anglican. St Carlo Borromeo was a rare example of young Papal relative raised to the episcopacy who proved worthy, even saintly. There are a few examples of young bishops in more recent times pre V2. Canon Law regs can be, and were, derogated from. Personally, a young and de-facto independent bishop might not be wise. Bishop Fellay had a definite role as an auxiliary bishop (insofar as the SSPX position is clear, which it is not), but hopefully this bishop withstands the tumults of this time, and doesn't decamp like others have. I will say with CMRI, there was the need to move away from the very compromised Stuckhardt era, so that move from Washington might not have been too bad.


    Offline Ladislaus

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  • Some of those were clearly grave abuses and nepotism, but it's not unheard of for a bishop to be consecrated in his late 20s or early 30s ... especially when it's not the ordinary of a diocese but an auxiliary to help with the Sacraments.