Author Topic: Boston KY may be a cult? (Read 9588 times)

buddy · « **on:** September 30, 2015, 05:38:39 AM »

Is it possible that the seminary in Boson KY is taking on the characteristics of a cult?

1. It is being led by at least two strongly controlling personalities in Fr. Pfeiffer and Pablo

2. There are an increasing number of rules that are isolating the seminarians from interaction with the faithful.

3. The seminary is surrounding itself with men like Bishop Ambrose and Pablo who do not have a record of consistent and open backgrounds.

4. They have not been open or above-board about acquisition or use of the resources they have received.

5. They are not accountable to any outside individual or group.

I was involved with resistance group in Phoenix but have distanced myself from the group because of Pablo and his antics here.

As I have read many of the posts from others in the forum, I’m having a growing feeling that the Boston KY seminary is more like a cult than a school for seminarians.

TKGS · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2015, 06:36:54 AM »

Quote from: buddy

I was involved with resistance group in Phoenix but have distanced myself from the group because of Pablo and his antics here.

As I have read many of the posts from others in the forum, I’m having a growing feeling that the Boston KY seminary is more like a cult than a school for seminarian.

I follow these "resistance' topics in order to keep informed about the current events going on in the Church but I am not involved with the "resistance" myself. One thing seems to be clear and that is Fr. Pfeiffer, Pablo, and the Boston, Kentucky seminary are not synonymous with the "resistance". It seems to me (tell me if I am wrong) that Fr. Pfeiffer immediately claimed to be the head to the "resistance" in the United States but that many other priests simply did not accept this claim.

So, in the interests of clarity, could we differentiate between "resistance" chapels and groups in general and Fr. Pfeiffer's group in particular?

I presume the "resistance group" in Phoenix is directly associated with Fr. Pfeiffer, otherwise you would not have distance yourself. Is this that a correct assumption? It would seem both unfair and unwise to distance yourself from a group because of the antics of Pablo if the group is not actually associated with Fr. Pfeiffer. Does anyone know what "resistance" chapels are associated with Fr. Pfeiffer and which ones are not? This is really becoming difficult to follow.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2015, 10:14:05 AM »

I am convinced that the Boston, KY OLMC, or the SSPX-MC, or whatever you wish to call it, is a cult. It is presided over and run by basically two individuals. One is a cleric, wearing the cassock. The other is a layman, who wears dark glasses much of the time, and operates effectively behind the scenes. Another individual, also a cleric, is a faithful lieutenant in the cult, who does basically what he's told. This cleric frowns disapprovingly upon all the negative things being said and written about OLMC . He refers to them as "dirty laundry" which need not be aired. Until recently, another individual, also a cleric, was the cult's 'step-n-fetchit,' as it were. He performed various carpentry tasks around the compound and elsewhere, helped out here and there with the seminarians, and, most importantly, acted as a kind of 'cash cow' to the cleric in chief. (More on that later)
The cleric in chief has a unique MO. He books expensive flights to points throughout the world, in response, he says, to the invitations of needy Catholics, crying out for his services. In a number of places, particularly here in the U.S. this cleric in chief has set up "Resistance" chapels. He declares himself the "pastor" of these chapels. Some of them assume the name 'Our Lady of Good Success.' for whatever reason. He doesn't appear to tolerate competition from other clerics who might invade his newly claimed territories, and does his best to drive them off. Thereafter, the cleric in chief visits his newly sown fields as often as he can, every six or seven weeks, (often much less frequently), reaping a harvest such as he might.

buddy · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2015, 10:16:51 AM »

The comments I made are only about the seminary in particular and not the resistance in general.

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** September 30, 2015, 10:19:10 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

It would seem both unfair and unwise to distance yourself from a group because of the antics of Pablo if the group is not actually associated with Fr. Pfeiffer. Does anyone know what "resistance" chapels are associated with Fr. Pfeiffer and which ones are not? This is really becoming difficult to follow.

Come now, it's not rocket science. Fr. Pfeiffer's network of priests isn't that large -- it has approximately 2 priests at the moment. He has a few more priests that are on his "friend list" but they don't do anything active with/for Fr. Pfeiffer or his Seminary in Boston, KY.

He used to have Fr. Voigt as a "satellite" of sorts, who was half with them, and half independent. But now he's 100% separated from that group.

So if the Mass center in question has Fr. Pfeiffer and/or Fr. Hewko saying Mass there, then it's with the Pfeiffer group in KY. If it's any other priest, then your group is obviously separate from KY and you're all set.

stgobnait · « **Reply #5 on:** September 30, 2015, 10:37:07 AM »

To everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under Heaven, and Fr Pfeiffer did respond to calls from around the world, in the given time of breakdown of neo sspx, if things have changed now, well then, we watch and pray......

TKGS · « **Reply #6 on:** September 30, 2015, 12:15:03 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: TKGS
It would seem both unfair and unwise to distance yourself from a group because of the antics of Pablo if the group is not actually associated with Fr. Pfeiffer. Does anyone know what "resistance" chapels are associated with Fr. Pfeiffer and which ones are not? This is really becoming difficult to follow.

Come now, it's not rocket science. Fr. Pfeiffer's network of priests isn't that large -- it has approximately 2 priests at the moment. He has a few more priests that are on his "friend list" but they don't do anything active with/for Fr. Pfeiffer or his Seminary in Boston, KY.

He used to have Fr. Voigt as a "satellite" of sorts, who was half with them, and half independent. But now he's 100% separated from that group.

So if the Mass center in question has Fr. Pfeiffer and/or Fr. Hewko saying Mass there, then it's with the Pfeiffer group in KY. If it's any other priest, then your group is obviously separate from KY and you're all set.

I wasn't thinking it was rocket science. But Phoenix is a long way from Kentucky. I would not have thought Fr. Pheiffer or Fr. Hewko goes to Phoenix every week to say Mass.

I take it that the "2 priests at the moment" are only Fr. Pheiffer and Fr. Hewko? That's news to me. Based on how much discussion these Boston, KY topics have generated (in both the number of posts and the geographic area they seem to cover), I would have thought they had more priests and Mass centers. I don't listen to any of Fr. Pheiffer's sermons (I listened to the first one that was posted and he seemed to go on for ever without actually saying anything).

So, checking the Traditio Mass Directory, I find 5 traditional Mass centers in Phoenix. One is diocesan, one is SSPX, one is "Traditional Resistance", one is Independent, and one is CMRI. No celebrant is listed for the "Traditional Resistance" center, but based on what I read in this topic, I presume this is a Fr. Pfeiffer chapel. Is this correct?

buddy · « **Reply #7 on:** September 30, 2015, 12:30:27 PM »

It is a Fr. Pfeiffer satellite, especially since Fr. P used to be the paster at the SSPX chapel here almost 20 years ago (with his sidekick, Pablo). That was before my time so I have no knowledge except by hearsay about how things were.

Both fathers rotate here about once a month.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #8 on:** September 30, 2015, 12:32:45 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

I don't listen to any of Fr. Pheiffer's sermons (I listened to the first one that was posted and he seemed to go on for ever without actually saying anything).

Funny. From what I recall, his first sermon posted was the only one that had any substance. It was the only sermon I ever heard from him that I liked. I listened to it twice at work the week it was posted, and it was pretty long.

TKGS · « **Reply #9 on:** September 30, 2015, 01:44:48 PM »

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Quote from: TKGS
I don't listen to any of Fr. Pheiffer's sermons (I listened to the first one that was posted and he seemed to go on for ever without actually saying anything).

Funny. From what I recall, his first sermon posted was the only one that had any substance. It was the only sermon I ever heard from him that I liked. I listened to it twice at work the week it was posted, and it was pretty long.

Ok, let me clarify :cheers: The first one posted on CathInfo that I noticed. By the way, I have clicked on a couple of other sermons of his that have been posted and exited when I saw how long they were.

Sorry folks, but I only click on about half the new topics. However, if I have never looked at a particular topic but notice a lot of replies keep getting added, I look to see what's getting so much attention. This is why I sometimes seem to not know everything that's going on.

TKGS · « **Reply #10 on:** September 30, 2015, 01:53:50 PM »

Quote from: buddy

It is a Fr. Pfeiffer satellite, especially since Fr. P used to be the paster at the SSPX chapel here almost 20 years ago (with his sidekick, Pablo). That was before my time so I have no knowledge except by hearsay about how things were.

Both fathers rotate here about once a month.

Thanks for the information. I just seem to never really know what the full story is.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #11 on:** September 30, 2015, 02:00:41 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

I wasn't thinking it was rocket science. But Phoenix is a long way from Kentucky. I would not have thought Fr. Pheiffer or Fr. Hewko goes to Phoenix every week to say Mass.

I take it that the "2 priests at the moment" are only Fr. Pheiffer and Fr. Hewko? That's news to me. Based on how much discussion these Boston, KY topics have generated (in both the number of posts and the geographic area they seem to cover), I would have thought they had more priests and Mass centers. I don't listen to any of Fr. Pheiffer's sermons (I listened to the first one that was posted and he seemed to go on for ever without actually saying anything).

So, checking the Traditio Mass Directory, I find 5 traditional Mass centers in Phoenix. One is diocesan, one is SSPX, one is "Traditional Resistance", one is Independent, and one is CMRI. No celebrant is listed for the "Traditional Resistance" center, but based on what I read in this topic, I presume this is a Fr. Pfeiffer chapel. Is this correct?

It's not a problem that you don't keep up with something that doesn't really affect you, but let me just say that it's obvious from this that you'd need some "Resistance 101" to understand what sort of impact Boston, KY has on the American Resistance.

MariaAngelaGrow · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2015, 02:42:30 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

Until recently, another individual, also a cleric, was the cult's 'step-n-fetchit,' as it were. He performed various carpentry tasks around the compound and elsewhere, helped out here and there with the seminarians, and, most importantly, acted as a kind of 'cash cow' to the cleric in chief. (More on that later)

Hollingsworth, if you know anything regarding Fr Voigt and money, please tell us. People are being told that Fr Voigt was stealing from the MC in Boston, KY. This is defamation if it is untrue, and this allegation has spread to a number of people. I have been trying to defend Fr Voigt's good name with a number of individuals. Please if you know anything tangible, tell us. I do not believe Fr Voigt deserves this.

Matthew · « **Reply #13 on:** September 30, 2015, 02:54:59 PM »

Yes, Maria, it is CALUMNY, SLANDER and DEFAMATION. But for a man like Pablo, whose evils might even extend as far as witchcraft, I can't say I'm surprised.

Here's my testimony:

Fr. Voigt is NOT guilty of any kind of sins involving money. He came here for Mass once a month for 3/4 of a year. I spoke with him countless times.

Also, Fr. Voigt is a zealous priest, a good priest. The faithful he served recognized this, and freely gave him donations to cover his needs. Besides the fact that Fr. Voigt impressed me as a serious priest, one who takes the spiritual life seriously, he also had no MOTIVE for stealing. On the other hand, Boston, KY -- and the one who carries the purse, and the things that were put therein, that is to say Pablo -- always needs more money. According to reports I've received (many in confidence), Fr. Pfeiffer's OLMC operation is facing hard times, including declining turnout, at many of its locations. People are leaving for the SSPX, sedevacantists, the Indult, or other groups. It's hard to keep people focused when you're only there every 8 weeks or less.

But back to Pablo's accusation. It sounds to me like classic projection -- assaulting someone, stealing their wallet, then calling the cops and accusing the victim of assault and robbery!

1. Pablo (with one assistant, a woman named Rose) takes care of the finances. This charge of his is most ridiculous, since OLMC's money doesn't even pass through Fr. Voigt's hands to begin with. Moreover, Fr. Voigt isn't eyeing OLMC's money, it's the other way around! OLMC *has no money*. They are the ones who always need more.

Fr. Voigt took care of his own finances -- he would get the collection, and use it to buy his own plane tickets, so he could promise his various locations when Mass would be each month. Sure enough, he was always there when he said he would be (1st Sunday of the month, 2nd Sunday, etc.) with the only exceptions coming from things outside his control, like the weather.

Basically, Fr. Voigt helped out Fr. Pfeiffer's organization, saying Mass and working in the Seminary, but he tried to maintain a certain level of autonomy. I believe finances were always kept separate, except for possible donations from Fr. Voigt to the seminary.

You know how Fr. Pfeiffer's e-mail alerts often tell you on September 19th when and where Mass will be on September 20th? I've even seen InThisSign e-mails Saturday night saying "Location: TBD" talking about a Mass taking place the next day! Fr. Voigt knew that you can't grow -- or even maintain -- a location with that kind of unpredictability and lack of regularity.

Anyhow, from what I could gather Fr. Voigt donated whatever extra he had left over to "the cause" (Fr. Pfeiffer). He also spent very little time there; one could never accuse him of freeloading off the Boston, KY operation. He would spend weekdays staying with various families, especially where there was a young man needing vocational training/guidance. He felt especially called to help with the seminary and work with the youth -- he is a Salesian after all. That was always his main motivation for working with Fr. Pfeiffer. He told me, "The Resistance needs a seminary."

And as someone else put it, Fr. Voigt was more like a cash cow for Boston, KY. Someone said that he loaned money to Fr. Pfeiffer, but didn't get paid back. To me, based on what I know, that sounds highly plausible. Several individuals also said that Pablo tried to set Fr. Voigt up, but Fr. left before Pablo's machinations could begin. We do know for a fact that Fr. Voigt left partially because of Pablo.

I think we all know who is "in the right" in a dispute between Fr. Voigt and Pablo!

Long story short, there is NOTHING I have ever seen that suggests we give the FIRST SHRED of credence to any slander against Fr. Voigt in this regard.

On the other hand, we have legions of evidence that Pablo is nefarious, and is working all kinds of evil in Boston, KY.

So if you hear any slander against Fr. Voigt, please remember the source: Pablo.

This is just one more paper on the pile (5 feet high) of Pablo's evil works.

P.S. I need to clarify. I'm not accusing Fr. Pfeiffer of anything. I'm accusing Pablo of the slander, as well as possibly stealing Fr. Voigt's money (borrowing without repaying) and then adding injustice to injustice by slandering his name afterwards.

If you're going to be Bursar of a religious group, you had better be at a high level of holiness! Look at some other famous bursars, or "those who held the purse, and the contents therein":

Judas Iscariot
Bishop Fellay
Pablo

Ouch! I don't think +Fellay deserves that kind of company...

Seriously, though, It's easy to get caught up in material considerations or concerns when you are in charge of a group's material resources. I think it has to be much more difficult to keep a spiritual outlook when you have the duties of bursar. You get special temptations, such as "maybe if we hired an image consultant or marketing agency, we could be more attractive and bring in more revenues!"

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #14 on:** September 30, 2015, 03:03:39 PM »

Where is Fr Voight saying Mass now?