Author Topic: BOMBSHELL - A Legal analysis of the Recognition of the SSPX (Read 6581 times)

saintalice · « **Reply #5 on:** April 14, 2015, 05:28:10 PM »

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So what is gained by this recent "administrative" move? They can now evade Income Tax?

Oh you betcha! Just like they do here. And not just income tax, property tax, sales tax. They (and all other churches, including mega churches like the the Joel Osteen's, etc.) have an "Unconditional exemption" which is nothing more than a subsidy from the US Government paid for by the taxpayer.

So whether we like it or not, whether we attend their chapels or not we (and every other American) financially supports the SSPX (and other churches) by our taxes.

*end of rant*

Centroamerica · « **Reply #6 on:** April 14, 2015, 07:56:50 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Here is my "edited to improve reading comprehension for English speakers" version:

If anyone believes that I have mis-interpreted the original, I'm open to correction. I haven't changed any meaning(s) -- just rephrasing and paraphrasing things to be easier to read and understand.

Of course, I'm leaving the original for the sake of all you sticklers for accuracy :)

UPDATE (14/04) At Adelante la Fe we have asked this prominent lawyer to make an assessment of the various information, from both sides, which tries to downplay this news. They would claim that it was something merely "administrative".

This is his response:

After the release of this news [accord between Argentina and the SSPX], several communiques have been released -- by both parties -- which obscure rather than clarify.

"I reread the relevant parts of the Code of Canon Law and am even more convinced that there is no way to consider the SSPX part of the Church in Argentina, nor in the world. It violates any legal logic. (??? I think he means the opposite, if you read on.)

"Those who claim that this action was a purely administrative move -- in order to allow the SSPX to freely exercise the apostolic life in Argentina -- have no basis for this claim, because for decades they have been in our country with a seminary, churches, schools and other property. They were in the country legally, and were able to attain the status of a non-profit civil association. So what is gained by this recent "administrative" move? They can now evade Income Tax? They can now receive wages and subsidies from the government?

"It would be pretty serious if the SSPX received benefits in Argentina as "Romans" even though they were not in communion with Rome.

"The procedure took about fifteen business days, which is incredible for any bureaucratic procedure. To achieve this, a very careful application would have had to be made, making sure to navigate the red tape perfectly and making sure to cross all your T's and dot all your I's. There would have needed to be an "angel" in authority watching over things from above to make sure everything sailed through so smoothly. Moreover, the record includes a "slash fifteen (/ 15)" which means that it started this year. So it is NOT merely a note from Poli accompanying a process which started in 2011, as stated by the Agency DICI.

"Was all this accomplished without the agreement of Rome and Ecône? Impossible."

This is a fine translation. It is not literal, as there are sticklers, but the meaning is not changed.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #7 on:** April 14, 2015, 08:01:43 PM »

* Note: DICI seems to be on a roll as far as making false statements. Just this month there seems to have accuмulated a list of falsehoods. Some of these include:

1) Bishop Williamson and Bishop Faure do not "recognize the Roman authorities, except in a purely rhetorical manner".

Everyone who reads what the bishops say knows that this is false, but here DICI says don't worry they really don't, and if they do it isn't really so. I have no yet spoken with a single soul that believes this false allegation of DICI.

2) Bishop Williamson was expelled from the Society for because of his "violent criticisms of any relations with the Roman authorities".

For years we have been told that it was for disobedience, namely his unsanctioned visit to Brazil and refusing to shut down the Eleison comments. Now we are told a different story. "Oh what a terrible web we weave when first we manage to deceive." With falsehood after falsehood, the errors cannot contain themselves and they are revealed, even if several years later.

3) And now finally, DICI is telling us that this appeal was made in 2011 and the process has just finally finished, but a prominent Argentinian lawyer, not affiliated with the resistance, has now publicly stated that DICI has again responded with another falsehood. The process was started and ended very rapidly with a date of this year and Menzingen and Rome would both had to have been involved.

Regardless, if this is a small detail that doesn't show much or if it lends support to the evidence of a unilateral recognition (which I am not claiming it does), it does indeed show that DICI is providing false information, whether intentionally or unintentionally, and cannot be considered anymore a reputable source of information.

GGMoreno · « **Reply #8 on:** April 14, 2015, 08:42:03 PM »

I am glad this is out in the public. I think people have a choice to make very soon, if not right now. It is God's grace that exposes what has been done by night, under the temporary cover of darkness. One gets tired of having to spell things out to those who refuse to see. Every once in a while, Our Lord gives us goldmines like this so that we can push on in our resistance and in our encouragement to those who might be asleep.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #9 on:** April 14, 2015, 10:17:19 PM »

Maybe some would be interested to know that if you peruse the site and are able to find the section where it speaks about authors, this is an accordist site that is a friend site of Rorate Caeli. I am refereing to the original source which appears on the display under the article title on the link. This time it is the accordistas who are saying this. Someone has pointed out that Rorate did not give a translation of this because it proves Menzingen is lying.

However, the authors of this site, Adelante la fe, are mostly all priests, some even from the Society of St. Peter and others.

This news from the lawyer is big because now we have an official accordista site of priests that are claiming that Menzingen is lying.

It is a first.