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Eleison Comments - Bishops' Letter (no. 638)
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  • BISHOPS’ LETTER
    October 5, 2019



    With Vatican II, the Devil mastered Rome.
    What Catholic can think, it still is home?


    A reader asks what were the circuмstances behind the writing of the letter of April 7, 2012, addressed to Bishop Fellay and his two Assistants, by the three other bishops then of the Society of St Pius X. The letter is fast becoming ancient history, but readers may remember that the letter played an important part in making Traditional Catholics aware of the significant change of direction of the Society that had been surreptitiously taking place over the last 15 years, and which many of them had not noticed. But in March of 2012 the animal had just broken cover, or come out into the open.


    In that month in “Cor Unum,” the Society’s magazine appearing three times a year for priests, the Superior General (SG) wrote that it was time for the Society to change Archbishop Lefebvre’s policy of no practical agreement without a doctrinal agreement, because the hostility of the Roman churchmen towards Catholic Tradition was growing less, and so the Society’s trust in the Conciliar Romans should grow more. In fact since the early 2000’s, more and more priests and laity of the Society had been suspecting that the Society was being led in a different direction. Now the SG himself was confirming those suspicions. That “Cor Unum” caused quite a stir within the Society.


    At the dinner-table in the Society’s Priory in London, England, the editor of these “Comments” wondered aloud about writing to the SG a letter of protest against the change of direction, and about sending it to Bishop Tissier for him to check the contents. A priestly colleague at table asked if the letter should not be submitted also to Bishop de Galarreta, in case it could go to Society Headquarters as a joint protest against such a serious departure from the Archbishop’s constant preaching and practice of “Doctrine first.” The colleague was right, and so the idea of a letter of the three bishops was born. When consulted on the project, Bishop Tissier recommended that a draft of the letter be written, and when a draft was submitted to him he gave to it his enthusiastic approval. The draft was then submitted to Bishop de Galarreta who also approved, but reinforced considerably the draft by rewriting the last part of it. A final text was then signed by all three bishops and posted to Headquarters in Menzingen with copies for the SG and his two Assistants.


    Their reply came just one week later. Not for nothing had Headquarters been changing the Society’s direction while disguising the change. They genuinely thought that Conciliar Rome was becoming more Catholic, to the point that the Archbishop’s grave reservations as to co-operating with the Neo-modernists in Rome were in effect out of date. To Cardinal Ratzinger in 1988 the Archbishop had said that co-operation was impossible, because the SSPX and Rome were working in directly opposite directions – Rome wanted to de-christianise society while the SSPX was striving to re-christianise society. But in 2012, SSPX Headquarters were adamant that the situation had changed, and so by opposing the three bishops they were not opposing the Archbishop. But what would the latter have said about the shenanigans of Pope Francis? What would he not have said? Yet in a recently appeared book-interview of the now former SG, Bishop Fellay vigorously repudiates even the least criticism of Pope Francis.


    And so on a pre-arranged date in June of 2012 the latter presented himself in Rome with a trusted adjutant to put the seal on an agreement with Rome which would at last put an end to what SSPX Headquarters must have considered was an unnecessary 37-year squabble between the SSPX and Rome. Unnecessary? Squabble? Conciliar Rome is at war with Catholic Tradition! And the Romans had obviously learned of the three bishops’ letter. In which case what use would it have been for them to trap the Society’s official leadership if the other three of its four bishops avoided the trap? Tradition risked starting up all over again. And so the SG in 2012 was sent away from Rome, empty-handed. He would have to get to work on those bishops to bring them round. He wasted no time . . .


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    Re: Bishops' Letter
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  • This inside information confirms the historical interpretation I have given the "failed" 2012 signed doctrinal declaration for the past 5 years:

    It was signed by Bishop Fellay, who was ready to go into modernist Rome, but Rome was spooked by the Letter (and the division it manifested within the SSPX), and reneged on the agreement in order to preserve the leadership and authority of Bishop Fellay, in order to try again later.

    To facilitate this, Rome made a counteroffer it knew +Fellay must reject, in order to create the appearance of a "traditional +Fellay" holding the line, and allow him to say that he had rejected Rome's offer.

    The strategy worked; +Fellay survived the 2012 General Chapter, and the rest is history.
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    Re: Bishops' Letter
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    This inside information confirms the historical interpretation I have given the "failed" 2012 signed doctrinal declaration for the past 5 years:
    Are you still in 2017? It is 2019 for the rest of us. Or did you only mean that you waited 2 whole years before you started to rebel, which doesn't seem accurate? Maybe a typo. Anyway, the General Council gave a fitting response to the 2012 letter. 

    If anyone is justified in rebelling against Bp. Fellay, without clearly proving incontrovertibly that Bp. Fellay is not Catholic anymore, then everyone is equally justified in rebelling against Bp. Williamson, as some of the Pfeifferites are doing.

    But if no one is justified in rebelling against Bp. Williamson within the resistance today, since Bp. Williamson still has the Faith, then equally or rather even moreso no one ever could be justified in rebelling against Bp. Fellay, when he was SG.

    Every Society Priest is expected to show deference to the Superior General and the General Council in prudential matters. Even SSPX Bishops like Bp. Williamson were not exempt from that strict obligation. It is similar to how monks take a vow of obedience to their superiors. One is obliged after taking such a vow or voluntarily agreeing to live in its spirit in a Fraternity of Priests to defer to the prudential judgment of one's superiors in all such matters, like the best way to negotiate with Rome.

    And Justice, Truth and Right is so clearly on the side of the General Council that the other Two Bishops agreed with Bp. Fellay and are still with the Society. I pray and hope the happy day comes when Bp. Williamson is reconciled back to us.

    The letter of response from the General Council refutes falsities. From: https://www.therecusant.com/menz-letter-to-3-bishops

    "Letter of Reply to Three Bishops
    from the SSPX General Council



    Menzingen,
    14 April, 2012



    To their Excellencies Tissier de Mallerais, Williamson and de Galarreta.


    Your Excellencies,

    To your collective letter addressed to the members of the General Council we have given our full attention. We thank you for your concern and for your charity.

    Allow us in turn with the same concern for charity and justice to make the following observations.

    Firstly, the letter gives a good account of the gravity of the crisis shaking the Church and analyses with precision the nature of the errors flying all around. However, the description suffers from two faults with regard to the reality of the Church: it is lacking both in supernatural spirit and in realism.

    It lacks supernatural spirit. Reading your letter one seriously wonders if you still believe that the visible Church with its seat in Rome is truly the Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ, a Church horribly disfigured for sure from head to foot, but a Church which nevertheless still has for its head Our Lord Jesus Christ. One has the impression that you are so scandalised that you no longer accept that that could still be true. It Benedict XVI still the legitimate pope for you? If he is, can Jesus Christ still speak through his mouth? If the pope expresses a legitimate desire concerning ourselves which is a good desire and gives no command contrary to the commandments of God, has one the right to pay no attention and to simply dismiss his desire? If not, on what principle do you base your acting in this way? Do you not think that, if Our Lord gives a command, He will also give us the means to continue our work? Well, the Pope has let us know that his concern to settle our affair for the good of the Church was at the very heart of his pontificate, and that he also knew that it would be easier both for him and for ourselves to leave things as they presently stand. Hence it is a firm and just desire to which he is giving expression. Given the attitude that you put forward there is no further place for Gideons or for Davids or for anyone counting on the help of the Lord. You blame us for being naïve or fearful, but it is your vision of the Church that is too human and even fatalistic; you see dangers, plots, difficulties, you now longer see the help of grace and the Holy Ghost. If one is ready to grant that divine providence conducts the affairs of men, while leaving them their liberty, then one must also accept that the gestures in our favour of the last few years come from Providence. Now, these gestures indicate a line - not always a straight line - but a line clearly in favour of Tradition. Why should this line suddenly come to an end when we are doing all we can to remain faithful and when our efforts are being accompanied by no few prayers on our part? Would the Good Lord drop us at the most decisive moment? That makes no sense. Especially if we are not trying to impose on Him any will of our own but we are trying to discern amidst events what God wants and we are ready to act as He wishes.

    At the same time your attitude lacks realism both as to the depth and the breadth of the errors.

    Depth: within the Society, we are in the process of making the Council's errors into super-heresies, as though it is becoming absolute evil, worse than anything, in the same way that Liberals have dogmatised this pastoral council. The evils are already dramatic enough so that one not need to exaggerate them any further. (Cf. Roberto de Mattei, A History never written, p. 22; Msgr. Gherardini, A Debate to be begun, p. 53, etc.) No more distinctions are being made. Whereas Archbishop Lefebvre more than once made the necessary distinctions concerning Liberals. This failure to distinguish leads one or the other of you three to an "absolute hardening". This is serious because such a caricature no longer corresponds to reality and logically it will in the future finish up in a true schism. And it may well be that this fact is one of the arguments pushing me to delay no longer in responding to the pressure from Rome.

    Breadth: on the one hand the present authorities are blamed for all the errors and evils to be found in the Church leaving out the fact that they are trying at least partly to free themselves from the worst of them (the pope's condemning of the "hermeneutic of rupture" denounces very real errors). On the other hand it is claimed that everybody is firmly rooted in this pertinacity ("all modernists", "all rotten"). Now that is obviously false. A great majority may still be carried away by the movement, but not everybody.

    So that as for the most crucial question of all, that of whether we can survive in the case of the Society being recognised by Rome, we do not arrive at the same conclusion as you do.

    Let it be noted in passing that we did not look for a practical agreement. That is false. All we have done is not refuse a priori, as you ask us to do, to consider the Popes offer. For the common good of the Society, we would far prefer the present solution of the intermediary status quo but it is clear that Rome will put up with it no longer.

    In itself, the proposed solution of a personal Prelature is not a trap. That is clear firstly from the fact that the present situation in April of 2012 is very different from that of 1988. To claim that nothing has changed is a historic error. The same evils are making the Church suffer, the consequences are even more serious and obvious than ever; but at the same time one may observe a change of attitude in the Church, helped by the gestures and acts of Benedict XVI towards Tradition. This new movement which started about ten years ago is growing stronger. It includes a good number (still a minority) of young priests, seminarians and even a small number now of young bishops who are clearly to be distinguished from their predecessors, who tell us of their sympathy and support, but who are still somewhat stifled by the dominant line in the hierarchy in favour of Vatican II. This hierarchy is loosing speed. That is an objective fact and shows that it is no longer an illusion to think of a fight arising within the Church, even if we are well aware of how long and difficult it will be. I have been able to observe in Rome that even if the glories of Vatican II are still in the mouths of many, and are pushed down our throats, is nevertheless not in all the heads. Fewer and fewer Romans believe in Vatican II.

    This concrete situation, together with the canonical solution being proposed, is very different from that of 1988 and when we compare the arguments given by Archbishop Lefebvre at that time we draw the conclusion that he would not have hesitated to accept what is being proposed to us. Let us not loose that sense of the Church, which was so strong in our venerated founder.

    Church history shows that the curing of evils afflicting it normally happens gradually and slowly.
    And when one problem is over, there is another that begins... oportet haereses esse. It is not realistic to require that everything be settled to arrive at what you call a practical agreement. When one watches how events are unfolding it is highly likely that the end of this crisis will take tens of years yet. But to refuse to work in the vineyard because there are still many weeds that risk stifling and obstructing the vine runs up against a notable lesson from the Bible: it Our Lord himself who gives us to understand with His parable of the chaff that there will always be in one form or another weeds to be pulled up and fought against in His Church.

    You cannot know how much your attitude over the last few months - quite different for each of you - has been hard for us. It has prevented the Superior General from sharing with you these great concerns, which he would gladly have brought you in to, had he not found himself faced with such a strong and passionate lack of understanding. How much he would have loved to be able to count on you, on your advice to undergo this so delicate moment in our history. It is a great trial, perhaps the greatest of all 18 years of his being superior. Our venerable founder gave to the Society bishops a task and precise duties. He made clear that the principle of unity in our Society is the Superior General. But for a certain time now, you have been trying - each one of you in his own way - to impose on him your point of view, even in the form of threats, and even in public. This dialectic between the truth and the faith on the one side and authority on the other is contrary to the spirit of the priesthood. He might at least have hoped that you were trying to understand the arguments driving him to act as he has acted these last few years in accordance with the will of divine Providence.

    We are praying hard for each of you that we may find ourselves all together once again in this fight which is far from over, for the greater glory of God and for love of dear Society.

    [size={defaultattr}][font={defaultattr}][size={defaultattr}][font={defaultattr}][size={defaultattr}][font={defaultattr}]May Our risen Lord and Our Lady deign to protect and bless you,

    +Bernard Fellay

    Niklaus Pfluger+

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    "We wish also to make amends for the insults to which Your Vicar on earth and Your Priests are everywhere subjected [above all by schismatic sedevacantists - Nishant Xavier], for the profanation, by conscious neglect or Terrible Acts of Sacrilege, of the very Sacrament of Your Divine Love; and lastly for the Public Crimes of Nations who resist the Rights and The Teaching Authority of the Church which You have founded." - Act of Reparation to the Sacred Heart of Lord Jesus.

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    Re: Bishops' Letter
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  • Are you still in 2017? It is 2019 for the rest of us. Or did you only mean that you waited 2 whole years before you started to rebel, which doesn't seem accurate? Maybe a typo. Anyway, the General Council gave a fitting response to the 2012 letter.


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  • Son, you are a white belt, and I am a 4th degree black belt.

    Yawn...

    I’ll see if my 9 year-old has time to refute you later.



    The level of the ex-SSPX seminarian's arrogance is simply fascinating.

    It was Divine Providence that removed him from the seminary.

    Deo gratias!  We have to count our blessings :pray:

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Bishops' Letter
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  • The level of the ex-SSPX seminarian's arrogance is simply fascinating.

    It was Divine Providence that removed him from the seminary.

    Deo gratias!  We have to count our blessings :pray:
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  • The level of the ex-SSPX seminarian's arrogance is simply fascinating.

    It was Divine Providence that removed him from the seminary.

    Deo gratias!  We have to count our blessings :pray:



    Yes, there is a bit of ego in his response, I'll grant. HOWEVER, I have to agree with Sean in this case. XavierSem's post isn't worthy of a rebuttal. His ignorance is epic regarding the topic under discussion. You CAN'T GET any more naive and ignorant about the topic under discussion than XS is.

    Let's be realistic and objective here: Sean has been involved in the trad movement for a couple decades, having explored many of the groups involved in the Trad movement and read countless books on the topic.

    XavierSem didn't even have to shave 7 years ago, when these Bishop Letters in question were released. He was a young teenager then. He would have been going to whatever chapel Mommy and Daddy drove him to every Sunday.

    And wind back the clock to the turn of the Millennium, when the discussions between the SSPX and Cardinal Castrillon-Hoyos were going on, and XavierSem here would have LITERALLY been in diapers! Meanwhile, while XavierSem was getting his diapers changed, Sean and I were in our mid-20's, attending college level classes at S.T.A.S. under brilliant professors like +Williamson, Fr. Iscara, Fr. Peek, Fr. Gaudray, and others. We already knew a lot about the Crisis by that point, nevermind everything we've learned through books, discussions, and experience since then.

    Say what you will about Sean, but he's completely in-the-right in this particular tussle.

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    Re: Bishops' Letter
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  • XavierSem actually posted the response!

    Saved me the effort. That was going to be submitted by MY SIDE, the Resistance, as evidence of how proud and arrogant Bp. Fellay was when he wrote that letter.

    Keep in mind, +Fellay was extremely young at his Consecration (barely meeting the Canonical age requirement), while +Williamson was the oldest at 48 years old. +de Mallerais isn't much younger.

    The arrogance of +Fellay accusing the other 3 of lacking a supernatural spirit, of being in error, etc. blows my mind. But then again, all works of error and evil blow my mind to some degree. I can't comprehend the mystery of iniquity.
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  • Someone with a PhD in guilt-tripping drew up that letter. Perhaps his greatest trial in all 18 years of being Superior General was the attitude of the other 3 bishops and how he couldn't count on them for advice? Amazing. But the letter betrays itself. It sounds like they gave plenty of advice, just not the kind he wanted to hear.  

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  • Is that Cor Unum published somewhere? 

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  • Quote from: homeschoolmom on Sat Oct 05 2019 15:24:39 GMT-0500 (CDT)
    Is that Cor Unum published somewhere?

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/cor-unum-march-2012-bishop-fellay-to-sspx-members/

    Letter from the Superior General to SSPX Members
    ("Cor Unum", March 2012)
    Dear Members of the Society of Saint Pius X,

    As you all know, last autumn was marked by the question of our relations with Rome, in particular by two astonishing events.

    The first was the absence of any evaluation by Rome of the doctrinal discussions that had been conducted for two years by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The only thing that was communicated to us was an indirect and unofficial remark to the effect that these discussions had shown that the Society was not attacking any dogma. Officially: nothing. Not one positive word, not one negative word. As if these discussion had not taken place, and even though we had been invited to see Cardinal Levada for the purpose [of an evaluation]. Indeed, the Preliminary Note to the Preamble proposed on September 14 simply mentioned that the discussions have achieved their aim, which was to set forth and to clarify our positions. This amounts, at best, to the establishment of a status quaestionis [state of the question], nothing more. The same Preliminary Note mentions some demands and concerns of the Society with respect to maintaining the integrity of the faith. One might possibly consider that as a hint in our favour. And that is all.

    The discussions ended, it is true, somewhat abruptly, the stumbling block being the question of the present-day Magisterium, its relation with Tradition, with the teaching of the Church in past eras, and the development of Tradition. Therefore everything seems to indicate, as far as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is concerned, that these discussions are effectively over.

    The second result is the proposal made by that same Congregation: to recognize the Society by granting it a canonical status of personal prelature, provided that we sign an ambiguous docuмent, which we spoke about in the last issue of Cor unum. This is surprising, inasmuch as the discussions manifested a profound disagreement on almost all the points that were addressed.

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    For our part, our experts clearly showed the opposition that exists between the teaching of the Church before the Council, on the one hand, and on the other hand the teaching of Vatican Council II and its aftermath.

    For Rome’s part, their experts strove to say that we are mistaken, that we unfairly attribute the abuses and errors (which they acknowledge) to the Council, whereas they were due to other causes, since the Church can do no wrong and cannot teach error. We even found ourselves accused of Protestantism, since they say that we set our own reason and judgment above the present-day Magisterium; that we pick and chose what we like in the past so as to set it in opposition to the current Magisterium, whereas it has the responsibility of making present this teaching from the past, for it too is the proximate norm of the faith.

    Our experts replied that the deposit of faith that has been entrusted to the Church does not undergo any new enlargement, but only a homogeneous development “in eodem sensu” [“in the same meaning”]. That deposit was completed at the death of the Apostles. We can, however, find a certain progress when an implicit truth is made more explicit, or expressed by a more precise formula. Subjective progress, in other words progress made by believers, certainly exists also, but it is more difficult to define: in principle an adult person should know his faith better than a child. These two forms of progress have been recognized for a long time, since Saint Vincent of Lérins already spoke about them in his Commonitorium. And their limits were also set as of that moment. The First Vatican Council did the same. Vatican II, for its part, mixes these two forms of progress and uses extremely imprecise language that can be understood either in the traditional way or in the modern way. The progressives have made ample use of it and have misused it as well.

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    Thus we have received a proposal that tried to make us enter into the scheme of the hermeneutic of continuity. This asserts that the Council is and must be in perfect harmony with the teaching of the Church throughout the centuries: Vatican II! A traditional Council?

    We replied that indeed the Council, and the whole Church, should be in complete harmony with the past teaching, with Tradition. This is a fundamental principle of the Church. Nevertheless, the factual reality contradicts the possibility of any such continuity.

    “Contra factum non fit argumentum.” [“There is no arguing with a fact.”] How is such a thing possible? It is a mystery! In effect, doesn’t that contradict the promise of divine assistance made by Our Lord for His Church? To all appearances, yes, and this is the great mystery, and we are trying to explain how it could happen by means of distinctions and definitions, while recognizing that the very reality of the crisis it [sic!] itself a great mystery permitted by the good Lord.

    For the first time on December 1, and a second time on January 12, we communicated to Rome the fact that it is impossible for us to sign a docuмent that contains such ambiguities. So as not to burn all our bridges, we proposed an alternative, following a line of thought that Archbishop Lefebvre addressed to Cardinal Gagnon in 1987: we agree to be recognized AS WE ARE. It is important not to end all relations and to keep a door open, even though nothing suggests that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith would agree to consider, even remotely, such a perspective.

    We just received from that Congregation on March 16 of this year a response to our proposal. It consists of a letter couched in harsh terms in the form of an ultimatum and, of course, a rejection of our docuмent. If we continue to hold our position, in one month we will be declared schismatic because we would de facto be rejecting the current Magisterium. Nevertheless the discussion that followed the delivery of the letter helped us to get  a clearer insight into these demands by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

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    In order to understand clearly the course that we are charting in this new situation, it seems to us advisable to provide you with a few considerations and observations:

    1.    Our principled position: the faith first and foremost: we intend to remain Catholic and, to that end, to preserve the Catholic faith first of all.

    2.    The situation in the Church may oblige us to perform acts of prudence relative and corresponding to the concrete situation. The Chapter in 2006 set forth a very clear line of conduct in matters concerning our situation with respect to Rome. We give priority to the faith, without seeking for our part a practical solution BEFORE the doctrinal question is resolved.

    This is not a principle, but a line of conduct that should regulate our concrete action. Here we are faced with a syllogism, the major premise of which is the affirmation of the principle of the primacy of the faith so as to remain Catholic. The minor premise is an historical observation concerning the present situation of the Church, and the PRACTICAL conclusion is inspired by the virtue of prudence that regulates human action: no seeking agreement at the expense of the faith. In 2006, heresies continued to spread, the authorities themselves were propagating the modern and Modernist spirit of Vatican II and were imposing it on everyone like a bulldozer (this is the minor premise). It would be impossible to arrive at a practical agreement until they were converted; we would be crushed, torn to pieces, destroyed or subjected to pressures so strong that we could not resist (that is the conclusion).

    If the minor premise were to change,, in other words, if there was a change in the situation of the Church with respect to Tradition, then that might necessitate a corresponding modification of the conclusion, without any change whatsoever in our principles! Since Divine Providence is expressed through the reality of events, in order to know His will we must attentively watch the reality of the Church, and observe and investigate what is happening within it.

    Now there is no doubt that since 2006 we have witnessed a development in the Church, an important and extremely interesting development, although it is not very visible. Nevertheless this development, assisted by measures undertaken by the Supreme Pontiff, albeit timid ones, with regard to the internal life of the Church, is at the same time thwarted by a large majority of the hierarchy, which wants to hear nothing of it. Moreover this attempt at internal renewal is placed under the bushel basket of a constant affirmation of the importance of the Second Vatican Council and of its reforms, in particular those that affect the life of the Church ad extra: her relations with the world, with other religions and with States.

    Thus we are witnessing two opposed, unequal movements:

    The hierarchy, consisting of persons who made the Council (a generation which today has almost disappeared) and of those who applied the Council, who made the transition from the pre-conciliar Church – which was traditional but already partially characterized by an appetite for novelties – to the conciliar or post-conciliar Church, with its infatuation for novelty and the subsequent catastrophe. For the most part they do not want to go back; perhaps some of them will concede that there have been abuses, etc., or even a crisis, but the cause of them could never be the Council.

    On the other hand, the subsequent generations look at these facts in a different light. They do not have that visceral emotion bond with a Council that they themselves did not experience. They know even less about the pre-conciliar period. Some members of those generations, more than you might think, do not even know that there used to be another rite. What they see is an extremely sad decadence and very little reason for enthusiasm, while they experience frustration and profound disillusionment: convents are closing, the lack of vocations has its consequences everywhere, and the churches are empty. Not having received correct, sound doctrine, they do not know what they have lost, but when they discover something of it through contact with Tradition, then they are filled with great bitterness, they feel betrayed and deprived of this immense treasure. This movement is manifestly growing almost everywhere in the world, especially among young priests and seminarians. It eludes the hierarchy – in part – which tries somehow or other to nip in the bud this desire for and trend toward a restoration of the Church.

    The few steps taken by Benedict XVI in this direction, official acts ad intra that affect the liturgy, discipline and morality, are therefore important, even though their application leaves something to be desired.
      
    We find some elements of this movement, however, even among young bishops, some of whom clearly but discreetly express to us their sympathy or even their fundamental agreement: “Hold fast, keep going, remain as you are, you are our hope....” These are no longer rare words on the lips of bishops that we meet.    

    It may be in Rome that these things are more manifest! We now have friendly contacts in the most important dicasteries, and also in the Pope’s entourage!

    As we see this situation, we think that the efforts of the aging hierarchy will not succeed in stopping this movement that has begun – a movement that desires and hopes for the restoration of the Church, although still in a rather muddled way. Even though the return of a “Julian the apostate” cannot be rules out, I do not think that the movement can be stopped.

    If this is true, and I am convinced of it, this requires that we take up a new position with respect to the official Church. Quite obviously we must support this movement with all our strength, and possibly to guide and enlighten it. This is precisely what many people expect of the Society.

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    This is the context in which it is advisable to ask the question about some form of recognition of the Society by the official Church. This is not a question of our applying for an identity card that we already have! Nor is it a matter of a false complex or feeling that we are consigned to a “ghetto”. It is a question of a supernatural view of the Church and the fact that she remains in the hands of Our Lord Jesus Christ, although she is disfigured by her enemies. Our new friends in Rome declare that the impact of such recognition would be extremely powerful on the whole Church, as a confirmation of the importance of Tradition for the Church. However, such a concrete realization requires two absolutely necessary points in order to assure our survival:

    The first is that no concessions affecting the faith and what follows from it (liturgy, sacraments, morality, discipline) may be demanded of the Society.    

    The second is that a real liberty and autonomy of action should be granted to the Society, and that these freedoms should allow it to live and to develop in concrete circuмstances.

    Humanly speaking, we doubt that the current hierarchy is disposed to accept these stipulations. But a number of very serious indications oblige us to think that nevertheless Pope Benedict XVI may be ready to do so.    

    The Church today is so debilitated, the hierarchy so divided, that we do not think that the bulldozer approach is still possible. On the contrary, we are gaining ground every day, even in our present situation, although many still denounce it as being schismatic.

    Let it be understood that we have ruled the possibility of our embarking on an alliance that would consist of swallowing the conciliar poison and compromising our positions. That is absolutely not what we are talking about.    
    Nevertheless, considering the lessons of Church history, we see that the saints, with much moral courage and a strong faith, brought back souls that had gone astray in terrible situations of crisis, with much mercy (and firmness), without falling into a reprehensible excess of rigidity, as was the case with the Donatists, for example, or with Tertullian. Notwithstanding the difficulties, the saints did not refuse to work with and in the Church, in spite of the Arian occupation (for example) and the numerous Arian bishops still in office.    

    Let us learn the lessons of this History, by considering the admirable equilibrium of our venerated founder, Archbishop Lefebvre, a balance of strength, faith and charity, of missionary zeal and love for the Church.

    Concrete circuмstances are what will show when the time has arrived to “take the step” towards the official Church. Today, despite the Roman overture of September 14, and because of the conditions that have been set, this still seems impossible. When the good Lord wills it, that time will come. Nor can we rule out the possibility that a swift resolution will be reached, because the pope seems to be throwing all his weight into this matter. As for us, let us remain very faithful and anxious to please God alone. That is enough; He will guide our steps safely, as He has done since the foundation of the Society.

    We entrust and consecrate again our dear Society to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, who is terrible as an army set in battle array. As a good Mother, she deigns to protect us, to guide us in the midst of so many dangers, until the victory: her triumph on earth and our salvation in heaven!

    Wishing you an end of Lent and an Easter season filled with graces, I give you my blessing.


    +Bernard Fellay
    Laetare Sunday, March 18, 2012
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Bishops' Letter
    « Reply #11 on: October 05, 2019, 03:29:40 PM »
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  • Dear Matthew,

    It seems to me a MISTAKE to allow this thread to go on with a deceptive title.
    If anyone is looking for EC 638, they'll never find it when it's called "Bishops' Letter."

    You can resolve this mess with a few keystrokes, I'm sure!

    ~Neil
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    Re: Bishops' Letter
    « Reply #12 on: October 05, 2019, 03:35:05 PM »
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  • Dear Matthew,

    It seems to me a MISTAKE to allow this thread to go on with a deceptive title.
    If anyone is looking for EC 638, they'll never find it when it's called "Bishops' Letter."

    You can resolve this mess with a few keystrokes, I'm sure!

    ~Neil

    The “deceptive” title was given to this EC by Bishop Williamson, and you seem to have found it just fine.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #13 on: October 05, 2019, 03:53:51 PM »
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  • The “deceptive” title was given to this EC by Bishop Williamson, and you seem to have found it just fine.
    FYI:
    I found  it because I first read it in my own e-mail, then came here looking for it.
    The CathInfo policy is to identify ALL ECs by "EC" followed by the number, and perhaps the title.
    In case you were on one of your many absences when this was discussed in past years, you might be willing to learn something.

    And then again, maybe not.
    Probably the latter.
    Have a nice day.
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    « Reply #14 on: October 05, 2019, 03:57:48 PM »
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  • FYI:
    I found  it because I first read it in my own e-mail, then came here looking for it.
    The CathInfo policy is to identify ALL ECs by "EC" followed by the number, and perhaps the title.
    In case you were on one of your many absences when this was discussed in past years, you might be willing to learn something.

    And then again, maybe not.
    Probably the latter.
    Have a nice day.

    Another raging Feeneyite coming to get his licks in.

    Good riddance.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."