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« on: June 30, 2013, 01:43:34 PM »
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    « Reply #1 on: June 30, 2013, 02:50:13 PM »
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  • I had never seen Bp. Williamson before in person.    I'm a DC native, so have seen my fair share of V.I.P.s around and about.  He has a very powerful presence, more so than those I have seen--and dramatically different to the assorted cardinals and bishops.  

    Personally, I am praying for an end to in-fighting amongst trads.  





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    « Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013, 02:54:47 PM »
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  • Good sermon.  I especially appreciated how he renounced pride.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 18, 2013, 04:03:28 PM »
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    FWIW, going on Traditio today, I found this article, July 16, 2013 -
    Our Lady of Mount Carmel, Double Major Feast, that purports to cover
    the Silver Anniversary Pontifical High Mass using the following image
    and followed by the caption below:





    Two Pontifical High Masses Were Celebrated on the 25th Anniversary
    Of Archbishop Lefebvre's Consecration of Four Traditional Bishops
    300 Traditional Catholic Faithful Attended Each Mass, even from Abroad
    While a Similar Anniversary Celebration at Fellay's Principal Seminary
    Saw Half the Chairs Go Empty
    Bishop Williamson Reports:
    "The Resistance" to Fellay Is Growing "Stronger and Stronger"
    [/font][/size]




    Now, tell me if I'm wrong, but this looks like a picture of the interior of
    St. Isidore's Church, 277 S. Watkins Road - Watkins, CO 80137, and not
    the temporary oversize tent that was set up by Fr. Ronald Ringrose for
    this Silver Anniversary Pontifical High Mass in Vienna, Virginia, June 29th,
    2013.  Furthermore, the Resistance is not "to Fellay," as the caption
    alludes, but it is rather resistance to error and resistance to any defection
    away from the Traditional Catholic Faith of our Fathers.

    This seems to be two more examples of how the would-be anonymous
    "fathers" of Traditio get their facts mixed up, or, rather, deliberately skew
    information to falsely represent their own agenda, whatever that happens
    to be at the moment.  Therefore, it is something readers ought to know,
    that you can't base your opinions or even your impressions on what you
    see on Traditio.com, and you ought to be very cautious going there and
    reading the posts in the Daily Commentary.

    Another fact, that seems to be consistent as far back as the beginning
    of the site is, that they use a date four days in the future at all times,
    with very few exceptions.  Therefore, any post you see, such as this one
    from "July 16th," would have been posted actually 1 to 4 days previously,
    so it is really July 12th, 13th or 14th, but likely not 16th, and the fact that
    they tie the date to the traditional Church Calendar, giving the name of the
    feast day and its rank, further deceives newcomers into thinking that the
    post had been made 4 days later than it really was.

    For example, today, July 18th, the current latest post is July 20th, and
    it's likely that a July 21st post will appear before the day is done.

    Just in case Fr. Morrison (or whoever it is lately) reads this and has
    second thoughts (because that has happened in the past!) I am uploading
    a copy of the image here on CI, so, if the image gets changed in the future
    to accurately represent the tent-Pontifical Mass that actually took place,
    then we will know because the original version is right here, for all time,
    or, however long CI lasts............



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    « Reply #4 on: July 18, 2013, 04:25:26 PM »
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  • No, it's St. Hedwig Church in Trenton, NJ. Traditio often uses wrong or photoshopped or irrelevant photos.

    Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    FWIW, going on Traditio today, I found this article, July 16, 2013 -
    Our Lady of Mount Carmel, Double Major Feast, that purports to cover
    the Silver Anniversary Pontifical High Mass using the following image
    and followed by the caption below:





    Two Pontifical High Masses Were Celebrated on the 25th Anniversary
    Of Archbishop Lefebvre's Consecration of Four Traditional Bishops
    300 Traditional Catholic Faithful Attended Each Mass, even from Abroad
    While a Similar Anniversary Celebration at Fellay's Principal Seminary
    Saw Half the Chairs Go Empty
    Bishop Williamson Reports:
    "The Resistance" to Fellay Is Growing "Stronger and Stronger"
    [/font][/size]




    Now, tell me if I'm wrong, but this looks like a picture of the interior of
    St. Isidore's Church, 277 S. Watkins Road - Watkins, CO 80137, and not
    the temporary oversize tent that was set up by Fr. Ronald Ringrose for
    this Silver Anniversary Pontifical High Mass in Vienna, Virginia, June 29th,
    2013.  Furthermore, the Resistance is not "to Fellay," as the caption
    alludes, but it is rather resistance to error and resistance to any defection
    away from the Traditional Catholic Faith of our Fathers.

    This seems to be two more examples of how the would-be anonymous
    "fathers" of Traditio get their facts mixed up, or, rather, deliberately skew
    information to falsely represent their own agenda, whatever that happens
    to be at the moment.  Therefore, it is something readers ought to know,
    that you can't base your opinions or even your impressions on what you
    see on Traditio.com, and you ought to be very cautious going there and
    reading the posts in the Daily Commentary.

    Another fact, that seems to be consistent as far back as the beginning
    of the site is, that they use a date four days in the future at all times,
    with very few exceptions.  Therefore, any post you see, such as this one
    from "July 16th," would have been posted actually 1 to 4 days previously,
    so it is really July 12th, 13th or 14th, but likely not 16th, and the fact that
    they tie the date to the traditional Church Calendar, giving the name of the
    feast day and its rank, further deceives newcomers into thinking that the
    post had been made 4 days later than it really was.

    For example, today, July 18th, the current latest post is July 20th, and
    it's likely that a July 21st post will appear before the day is done.

    Just in case Fr. Morrison (or whoever it is lately) reads this and has
    second thoughts (because that has happened in the past!) I am uploading
    a copy of the image here on CI, so, if the image gets changed in the future
    to accurately represent the tent-Pontifical Mass that actually took place,
    then we will know because the original version is right here, for all time,
    or, however long CI lasts............



    I am sincerely sorry for any gossip, detraction, libel, slander, calumny, rumors, heresy, schism, false information, lies or half-truths which may have appeared in my posts. May God forgive me.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 18, 2013, 04:28:58 PM »
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    Thanks for the correction, obediens!  


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    « Reply #6 on: July 18, 2013, 05:05:56 PM »
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    « Reply #7 on: July 18, 2013, 05:11:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Thank you so much.   [/quote
    For Bishop Williamson's sermon.  


    In defense of Traditio.com    I thought it was nice that they mentioned the Mass in Vienna.

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    « Reply #8 on: July 18, 2013, 06:07:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Thank you so much.   [/quote
    For Bishop Williamson's sermon.  


    In defense of Traditio.com    I thought it was nice that they mentioned the Mass in Vienna.



    You really don't need to defend Traditio, VCR.

    They do a lot of damage by falsifying data.  If it had not been
    for Traditio, HEBF would not have been able to deny a lot
    of the accusations against him, because his minions only
    needed to say, "OH, you read that on Traditio?  HAHAHAHA"

    See what I mean??


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    « Reply #9 on: July 19, 2013, 01:12:00 AM »
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    Oversight:

    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Thank you so much.  

    For Bishop Williamson's sermon.  


    In defense of Traditio.com    I thought it was nice that they mentioned the Mass in Vienna.



    You really don't need to defend Traditio, VCR.

    ETA:  They mentioned the Mass in Vienna but got several facts
    wrong, so it's a problem that they spread disinformation.  
    This only hurts the Resistance!!  And that's not "nice!"

    They do a lot of damage by falsifying data.  If it had not been
    for Traditio, HEBF would not have been able to deny a lot
    of the accusations against him, because his minions only
    needed to say, "OH, you read that on Traditio?  HAHAHAHA"

    See what I mean??


    ...

    Another fact, that seems to be consistent as far back as the beginning
    of the site is, that they use a date four days in the future at all times,
    with very few exceptions.  Therefore, any post you see, such as this one
    from "July 16th," would have been posted actually 1 to 4 days previously,
    so it is really July 12th, 13th or 14th, but likely not 16th, and the fact that
    they tie the date to the traditional Church Calendar, giving the name of the
    feast day and its rank, further deceives newcomers into thinking that the
    post had been made 4 days later than it really was.

    For example, today, July 18th, the current latest post is July 20th, and
    it's likely that a July 21st post will appear before the day is done...





    As I was saying previously, Traditio.com would get the post in for
    the 21st before the day is done, and here it is.  This is still Thursday,
    but we can see Sunday's post already on the website:

    July 21, 2013 - Ninth Sunday after Pentecost
    Semidouble Feast


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    « Reply #10 on: July 19, 2013, 12:37:26 PM »
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    This daily offering of Traditio.com is unusually replete with error and
    since it is intensely Resistance-related, it does all the more damage
    to this common cause:



    July 16, 2013 - Our Lady of Mount Carmel
    Double Major Feast
    Richard Williamson Celebrates Abp. Lefebvre Anniversary Mass before Two Crowds
    While a Similar Fellay Celebration Saw Half of the Seats Go Empty [WRONG!]
    From: The TRADITIO Fathers


    Quote from: the quoted website

    In his July 13, 2013, Bulletin, traditional Catholic bishop Richard Williamson, formerly the senior bishop of the Society of St. Pius X,


    1 -- It's not his "Bulletin" (capital "B" means proper noun, and +W does
    not call it his "Bulletin") but rather it's his Eleison Comments or EC ..

    2 -- +W has not said that he is no longer SSPX, in fact, he has asserted
    that he is still an SSPX bishop, but that he was illegitimately expelled ..

    3 -- Nor has +W claimed to be an "independent" bishop ..

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    now an independent traditional Catholic bishop, reported on the Silver Jubilee celebration in the United States of Archbishop Lefebvre's June 30, 1988, consecration of four traditional Catholic bishops. Bishop Williamson celebrated two Pontifical High Masses with the assistance of twelve traditional Catholic priests from Brazil, Canada, Colombia, England, France, Mexico, and the United States. Each Mass was celebrated before 250-300 of the faithful, some of whom had come great distances, even from abroad, to attend.

    These Masses were celebrated at St. Athanasius Traditional Catholic Church in Vienna, Virginia,


    4 -- actually, they were celebrated in the garden of the rectory,
    not in the church, which would have been too small for the crowd,
    but explaining that would have put the lie to the fake picture above ..

    Quote
    where five leading priests, known as the "Vienna Five,"


    5 -- nobody is calling them the "Vienna Five" except Traditio ..

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    who left the Novus Ordo "sellout" Superior-Dictator of the Neo-SSPX, Bernie Fellay, founded the SSPX of the Strict Observance (SSPX-SO)


    6 -- They did not found the SSPX-SO..  that is a term dreamed
    up on Traditio.com alone, and the fact that these Resistance
    priests are not using "SSPX-SO" is proof that they want nothing
    to do with the remote leadership of this unreliable website ..

    Quote
    on August 10, 2012, to return to the founding principles of the SSPX's founder, Archbishop Lefebvre. Since then almost one hundred other NSSPX priests have left Fellay's corrupted organization and either joined the SSPX-SO or decided to operate independently.


    7 -- "almost 100" is a gross exaggeration..  it's probably closer to 30 ..

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    On June 27, 2013, Fellay and his other two Neo-SSPX bishops, Tissier de Mallerais and Galarreta, had issued a declaration that they were still ready to join the New Order sect,


    8 -- that is not literally what it says but is rather a reasonable
    interpretation of what it says..

    Quote
    if that sect admitted them, that the "door to a deal"


    9 -- the SARD does not contain the words "door to a deal" and
    therefore it is a lie to imply that this is quoting the SARD..

    Quote
    between Fellay & Co. and Newpope Francis-Bergoglio "remains open."


    10 -- Nor does the SARD contain the words "remains open" so
    this is a second lie on the same subject ..

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    Bishop Williamson reports that even if Newrome remains Modernist, Fellay will be taken in anyway, "satisfied to be just another of the Conciliar pantheon, along with the heretics, oecumaniacs, pantheists, or whatever else is there."


    11 -- Again, it was not +Williamson who "reports" this, but rather
    the author of Traditio must be reading CI where he would have
    seen this as material posted by a certain CI member of high repute.
    These "quoted" words are his, that is, except for the word,
    "oecumaniacs," which Traditio typically spells in the older way, but
    thereby brings discredit to the word's archaic spelling which is the
    opposite of what a site would do if it were supporting tradition..

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    Bishop Williamson states that Fellay just is trying to fool clueless NSSPXers by making "the label on the outside" of his corrupted organization "look a little more like Archbishop Lefebvre."


    12 -- Wrong again, Traditio.com - it was not +W who said that but
    DAW who is a member of CI and not on the tow of Traditio's draw-
    strings as one of its informants ..  It seems Traditio really wants to
    recruit this source, though, and quotes him again and again over
    the years .. pathetic!  Hey, Traditio - you'll just have to keep coming
    to CI to read his posts!   HAHAHAHAHAHA

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    Fellay's ploy is reminiscent of Benedict-Ratzinger's "Motu" Mess of 2007, which fraudulently tried to put the "traditional" label on the Freemason presbyter Hannibal Bugnini's Half Novus Ordo Vatican II Mess of 1962 in order to fool clueless Newchurchers.


    Well, I have to hand it to you here:  you got this one right..

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    Bishop Williamson further reports that The Resistance to Fellay is growing "stronger and stronger."


    Well, that didn't last long, did it?

    13 -- No, +W reports no such thing..  it's not "Resistance to Fellay,"
    rather it's Resistance to error, lies about the Faith, corruption, "things
    like that," as Fr. Schell used to say, bless his soul..

    14 -- Furthermore, +W does not say the Resistance is growing
    "stronger and stronger," rather he writes in his EC CCCXIII that
    "It seems ... the Resistance is going to grow stronger and
    stronger"..


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    A crowd of 200-300 people, who overflowed the available seating, made the pilgrimage to St. Athanasius in the sticks of Virginia, while Fellay's own celebration at Econe, Switzerland, saw half of the chairs empty.


    Wrong again, Traditio!

    15 -- the silver anniversary to-do at Econe reportedly had 200-300
    attendees, but the priestly ordination ceremony there had half the
    chairs empty, not "Fellay's own celebration at Econe"..

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    It is ironic that Vienna is not far from where Fellay is trying to bilk his NSSPXers into forking over hundreds of thousands of dollars to build his new "Taj Mahal" seminary, when a perfectly good one already exists in Winona, Minnesota. Given the fact that NSSPXers are leaving Fellay like rats leaving a sinking ship, Fellay won't need his Taj Mahal seminary. He'll be hard pressed to get any seminarians at Winona!


    16 -- No, it seems there are plenty of young men who are eager
    to attend the new seminary, unfortunately .. something should be
    done about that .. but what? .. certainly not misrepresenting facts,
    such that the young men won't believe ANYTHING you say,
    Traditio!!! .. and there are probably two or three times as many
    who are eager to enroll at the new seminary BECAUSE of Traditio's
    BAD EXAMPLE of what the Resistance is all about!!


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    « Reply #11 on: July 19, 2013, 02:49:35 PM »
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    Please note:

    The post on Traditio, above, that purports to refer to the Silver
    Anniversary celebration in Virginia does not quote from +W's
    sermons or speeches in Vienna that weekend, but rather takes
    quotes from EC CCCXIII found here, and one or more CI posts
    by CI member laymen.  So don't be looking in the video of this
    OP to see what Traditio is referring to.


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    « Reply #12 on: July 19, 2013, 07:16:18 PM »
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  • I understand my error now.   Thanks.  The Catholic Faith is about Truth.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 19, 2013, 08:22:54 PM »
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  • However many trads do more damage to the resistance then Traditio.
    On this forum there are traditional Catholics who claim they are resistance and yet support freemasonry ( see father themann thread).   There are many who support modernism,liberalism ,socialism and other anti Catholic teachings. Also many lack Christian charity and are full of pride and arrogance.  

    Yes Bishop Williamson's sermons go in one ear and out the other for many.
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    « Reply #14 on: July 19, 2013, 08:27:40 PM »
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    It was one of his best.  
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