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John Anthony · « **on:** December 08, 2013, 10:50:16 AM »

In his latest EC, Bishop Williamson writes:

"In Texas I addressed a meeting of right-wing patriots who have for many years rallied around the Spotlight newspaper, now the American Free Press, to defend their country from anti-patriots. By no means all of them are Catholics, but they do grasp that there is a serious problem in their nation’s politics. In any case they listened attentively to the argument that politics are merely a spill-over from religion, or from its lack, and that the only solution is a return to Catholicism."

By no means all of them are Catholics? The leading figure of the AFP is Texe Marrs, founder of the Power of Prophecy ministry. I've had a little trouble figuring out Mr. Marrs' theology even from his own website. His politics, on the other hand, are pretty easy to figure out: the sort of stuff that gives serious revisionism and conspiracy theorizing a bad name.

So here's my question: why is it that Bishop Williamson is quite willing to evangelize among the The Mexes Are Going to Turn Austin into Guadalajara/ The Jєωs Run Everything crowd, but unwilling to evangelize Rome, or do more than nip at Bishop Fellay's heels in a thousand or so words a week?

Why has he not challenged Bishop Fellay to a disputation on the front lawn of Econe when the weather gets better?

Or perhaps we could start slowly, and have Frs. Pfeiffer challenge Fr. Themann to a disputation at Winona.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #1 on:** December 08, 2013, 10:55:24 AM »

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Why has he not challenged Bishop Fellay to a disputation on the front lawn of Econe when the weather gets better?

Bishop Fellay would not take the challenge; Bishop Fellay's new direction is indefensible.

John Grace · « **Reply #2 on:** December 08, 2013, 11:00:50 AM »

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Why has he not challenged Bishop Fellay to a disputation on the front lawn of Econe when the weather gets better?

Bishop Fellay would not take the challenge; Bishop Fellay's new direction is indefensible.

Fr Morgan acting on behalf of Bishop Fellay prevented an elderly woman from asking a question in Dublin.

I doubt very much Bishop Fellay would accept the challenge at Econe.

A few years ago a 'Iasci' on Ignis Ardens suggested a 'March on Menzingen'. I took this to mean a delegation from each District. It didn't happen. It seemed a good idea though.

John Anthony · « **Reply #3 on:** December 08, 2013, 11:06:11 AM »

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Why has he not challenged Bishop Fellay to a disputation on the front lawn of Econe when the weather gets better?

Bishop Fellay would not take the challenge; Bishop Fellay's new direction is indefensible.

Fr Morgan acting on behalf of Bishop Fellay prevented an elderly woman from asking a question in Dublin.

I doubt very much Bishop Fellay would accept the challenge at Econe.

A few years ago a 'Iasci' on Ignis Ardens suggested a 'March on Menzingen'. I took this to mean a delegation from each District. It didn't happen. It seemed a good idea though.

Dear Mr. Grace,

Why not then offer the challenge? It would be lot of free publicity for the Resistance if +Fellay declined.

John Anthony · « **Reply #4 on:** December 08, 2013, 11:08:22 AM »

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Why has he not challenged Bishop Fellay to a disputation on the front lawn of Econe when the weather gets better?

Bishop Fellay would not take the challenge; Bishop Fellay's new direction is indefensible.

Dear Ecclesia Militans,

Same response as to Mr. Grace.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #5 on:** December 08, 2013, 11:33:20 AM »

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Quote from: John Anthony
Why has he not challenged Bishop Fellay to a disputation on the front lawn of Econe when the weather gets better?

Bishop Fellay would not take the challenge; Bishop Fellay's new direction is indefensible.

Dear Ecclesia Militans,

Same response as to Mr. Grace.

Bishop Fellay would not answer the challenge.

ihsv · « **Reply #6 on:** December 08, 2013, 11:40:18 AM »

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Dear Mr. Grace,

Why not then offer the challenge? It would be lot of free publicity for the Resistance if +Fellay declined.

1) Publicity? That's a juvenile reason to pursue a debate.

2) Any opposition to the current direction of the SSPX has been squashed with an iron fist. A debate where one party is clearly not of good will, and unwilling to permit discussion even among their own priests on the topic, is a waste of time.

Machabees · « **Reply #7 on:** December 08, 2013, 12:00:47 PM »

Quote from: John Anthony

In his latest EC, Bishop Williamson writes:

"In Texas I addressed a meeting of right-wing patriots who have for many years rallied around the Spotlight newspaper, now the American Free Press, to defend their country from anti-patriots. By no means all of them are Catholics, but they do grasp that there is a serious problem in their nation’s politics. In any case they listened attentively to the argument that politics are merely a spill-over from religion, or from its lack, and that the only solution is a return to Catholicism."

By no means all of them are Catholics? The leading figure of the AFP is Texe Marrs, founder of the Power of Prophecy ministry. I've had a little trouble figuring out Mr. Marrs' theology even from his own website. His politics, on the other hand, are pretty easy to figure out: the sort of stuff that gives serious revisionism and conspiracy theorizing a bad name.

So here's my question: why is it that Bishop Williamson is quite willing to evangelize among the The Mexes Are Going to Turn Austin into Guadalajara/ The Jєωs Run Everything crowd, but unwilling to evangelize Rome, or do more than nip at Bishop Fellay's heels in a thousand or so words a week?

Why has he not challenged Bishop Fellay to a disputation on the front lawn of Econe when the weather gets better?

Or perhaps we could start slowly, and have Frs. Pfeiffer challenge Fr. Themann to a disputation at Winona.

Is a Catholic Bishop only confined to the Cathedral? Are not Bishops of the Catholic Church Missionary by genus?

Is not the harvest great and the laborers few?

Is not the Social reign of our Lord need to be heard by all?

Does not the pagans, heretics, and infidels need to hear the words of redemption?

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #8 on:** December 08, 2013, 01:41:29 PM »

Quote from: John Anthony

In his latest EC, Bishop Williamson writes:

"In Texas I addressed a meeting of right-wing patriots who have for many years rallied around the Spotlight newspaper, now the American Free Press, to defend their country from anti-patriots. By no means all of them are Catholics, but they do grasp that there is a serious problem in their nation’s politics. In any case they listened attentively to the argument that politics are merely a spill-over from religion, or from its lack, and that the only solution is a return to Catholicism."

By no means all of them are Catholics? The leading figure of the AFP is Texe Marrs, founder of the Power of Prophecy ministry. I've had a little trouble figuring out Mr. Marrs' theology even from his own website. His politics, on the other hand, are pretty easy to figure out: the sort of stuff that gives serious revisionism and conspiracy theorizing a bad name.

So here's my question: why is it that Bishop Williamson is quite willing to evangelize among the The Mexes Are Going to Turn Austin into Guadalajara/ The Jєωs Run Everything crowd, but unwilling to evangelize Rome, or do more than nip at Bishop Fellay's heels in a thousand or so words a week?

Why has he not challenged Bishop Fellay to a disputation on the front lawn of Econe when the weather gets better?

Or perhaps we could start slowly, and have Frs. Pfeiffer challenge Fr. Themann to a disputation at Winona.

Hello John-

1) Because, while the AFP crowd may be ignorant of real Catholicism (and therefore open to its logic), Rome is averse to it, and therefore why cast pearly before swine?

2) Why has Bishop Fellay not challenged Bishop Williamson to a debate on the front lawn of Econe?

The answer is rather self-evident.

3) With regard to Fr. Themann v Fr. Pfeiffer:

I would give a decided edge to Fr. Themann.

But how about Fr. Themann (who does speak French) vs Fr. Rioult?

I would pay money to attend that one.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #9 on:** December 08, 2013, 02:30:41 PM »

John McFarland:

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So here's my question: why is it that Bishop Williamson is quite willing to evangelize among the The Mexes Are Going to Turn Austin into Guadalajara/ The Jєωs Run Everything crowd, but unwilling to evangelize Rome, or do more than nip at Bishop Fellay's heels in a thousand or so words a week?

Oh, so that is your question, is it, John? I expected a better, more intelligent question from a man with a doctorate in philosophy and a law degree... something less whiney and churlish. I feel certain that Bp. Williamson would happily evangelize wherever he might be invited. Texe Marrs invited to speak to his "crowd," so the bishop went amongst them. If Bp. Fellay should happen to invite His Excellency to a conference as a guest speaker, I'm sure that the latter would jump at the opportunity to evangelize his own.
Actually, Texe Marrs is a very decent individual, IMO. When he asserts that the Jєωs run everything, it is because they do. They practically run all of the executive, legislative and judiciary branches of our government. They run the Fed and most of the central banking system. They run the telecommunications media and the entertainment media. They've got most of the major corporations by the short hairs. They own most of the professional sports franchises. They control most domestic and foreign policy decisions our country makes. They've gotten us into most of our wars since the turn of the 2oth century. They are, in short, from the title of a new book by Hugh Aikins the "ѕуηαgσgυє Rising." And if you ask folks like Bp. Willliamson why, it is because we are the 'Church Sinking,' appropriate title, I think, for a book which has yet to be written.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #10 on:** December 08, 2013, 02:58:25 PM »

I forgot to mention that the Judaic influence in the SSPX is becoming more obvious day by day. We know already that they run the Vatican. Rev. Marrs is pretty much spot on, I think. A 'Father Marrs' would probably not be saying and writing the things he does. I await eagerly, John, a smarmy and arrogant response. BTW, God bless. :rolleyes:

JPaul · « **Reply #11 on:** December 08, 2013, 03:09:20 PM »

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I forgot to mention that the Judaic influence in the SSPX is becoming more obvious day by day. We know already that they run the Vatican. Rev. Marrs is pretty much spot on, I think. A 'Father Marrs' would probably not be saying and writing the things he does. I await eagerly, John, a smarmy and arrogant response. BTW, God bless. :rolleyes:

An understatement for sure!

JPaul · « **Reply #12 on:** December 08, 2013, 03:14:40 PM »

John Anthony,

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Or perhaps we could start slowly, and have Frs. Pfeiffer challenge Fr. Themann to a disputation at Winona.

Sounds interesting, we might title it the Battle of the New Formation vs the Old Formation...........

Zeitun · « **Reply #13 on:** December 08, 2013, 04:19:05 PM »

I'm sure if Bishop Williamson were invited to the Chapter +Williamson would be happy to debate Bishop Fellay.

Wessex · « **Reply #14 on:** December 08, 2013, 04:34:54 PM »

One could say that it takes a non-Catholic who is free of all the errors heaped on 20th century Catholics by the so-called magisterium to really understand the good bishop's political and religious message. And Mel Gibson's biblical film enjoyed a more receptive ear among non-Catholics for the same reason.

Bp. Fellay has to seek Max Krah's clearance before he engages with anyone outside the Society. In the same way that Rome considers 'Jєωιѕн sensitivities' before engaging with the world. If Catholics of various kinds were wide awake ....they prefer not to be ..... and knew who the number one enemy of the Church (and therefore of the world) was and acted upon it, this enemy would crawl back to the ghetto and stay there as in former times.