Author Topic: Bishop Williamsons Conference 110514 (Read 9424 times)

Militia Jesu · « **on:** November 07, 2014, 10:56:40 AM »

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/0kTtOUdw9iw[/youtube]

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 07, 2014, 04:41:15 PM »

Getting a message that the video is not available.

Marlelar · « **Reply #2 on:** November 07, 2014, 06:23:10 PM »

I clicked on the youtube button in the lower RH corner and opened it from there.

Infiguris · « **Reply #3 on:** November 07, 2014, 07:48:36 PM »

Would somebody be able to provide a transcription of this conference?

I would like a copy.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #4 on:** November 07, 2014, 07:56:38 PM »

Is that Fr. Gruner at the table sitting just to the left of Fr. Zendejas?

holmoak · « **Reply #5 on:** November 07, 2014, 08:03:48 PM »

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Is that Fr. Gruner at the table sitting just to the left of Fr. Zendejas?

Yes, it is. Can anyone verify, or does anyone know for a fact if he is supportive of the Resistance?

When John Vennari was asked, his reply was that Fr. Gruner goes anywhere he is invited, and is "neutral".

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 07, 2014, 08:35:17 PM »

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Is that Fr. Gruner at the table sitting just to the left of Fr. Zendejas?

Yes, That is Fr. Gruner.

BrJoseph · « **Reply #7 on:** November 07, 2014, 09:23:44 PM »

In response to the questions as to why Fr Gruner was there - he was a dinner guest of His Excellency. Why? That is not for us to speculate.

Miseremini · « **Reply #8 on:** November 07, 2014, 09:29:43 PM »

In responding to consecrating bishops he mentioned "bishops growing like mushrooms" ( at 12.58 in the video)
Is it my imagination or does that mean more than one bishop?

hollingsworth · « **Reply #9 on:** November 07, 2014, 09:45:12 PM »

holmoak:

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Can anyone verify, or does anyone know for a fact if he (Fr. Gruner) is supportive of the Resistance?

When John Vennari was asked, his reply was that Fr. Gruner goes anywhere he is invited, and is "neutral".

Hmm. We all know that Fr. Gruner and John Vennari are pretty tight. Fr. Gruner, to my knowledge, has never voiced any support of the "resistance." Safe to say, I think, Father has never mentioned the word "resistance," nor has he discussed it on any level. If I'm wrong, please someone, point me to an article, to an interview, to a recorded statement on the part of Fr. Gruner, wherein he has taken up this subject or mentioned it in any context. I am unaware of any.
What is more, and what makes this appearance of Fr. Gruner at a Bishop Williamson event even more flabbergasting, IMO, is that, again to my knowledge, Fr. Gruner never talks about Bp. Williamson, either positively or negatively. In fact, if all one had for traditional Catholic internet sources, were Fr. Gruner and John Vennari's web sites, one would perhaps not even know that Bp. Williamson even existed or was a player on the Catholic scene in any capacity whatsoever.
As for John Vennari and neutrality. Fr. Gruner may indeed be neutral. I'm not so sure that John is. It seems to me that Mr. Vennari is very much attuned to the Bp. Fellay and the SSPX, and indeed, very supportive of them. John, like Fr. Gruner, does not say boo about the "resistance," as I indicated above. If I'm not mistaken, taking it a bit further, neither John nor Fr. Gruner appear to recognize that there are real problems in the sspx apostolate, that there is uneasiness and unrest within the priestly ranks, that a number of sspx priests have either left voluntarily or been ejected by the superior general, that liberalism has crept into the Society's upper ranks, that the archbishop's guiding principles have been severely compromised, etc
I have written to both these men in the past, seeking and explanation for the issues I raise above. To date I have never gotten any response, not a word, not even computer generated acknowledgment that my inquiries had been received.
So I guess I'm asking: What's up with Fr. Gruner? Is he having a few non-neutral thoughts these days?

hollingsworth · « **Reply #10 on:** November 07, 2014, 09:51:27 PM »

I would like to add one more thing as it touches Bp. Williamson. Did either John Vennari or Fr. Gruner issue a press release or make any editorial comments at the time about the sacking of the good bishop? Did they in any way acknowledge the tragedy of that event, or take notice of it in any way? I can't remember that they did. Maybe it's time to dredge up some old articles they may have written, or interviews they may have conducted, if, indeed, any exist.

holmoak · « **Reply #11 on:** November 07, 2014, 09:54:13 PM »

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holmoak:
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Can anyone verify, or does anyone know for a fact if he (Fr. Gruner) is supportive of the Resistance?

When John Vennari was asked, his reply was that Fr. Gruner goes anywhere he is invited, and is "neutral".

So I guess I'm asking: What's up with Fr. Gruner? Is he having a few non-neutral thoughts these days?

Or another frightening scenario. Is Bp. Williamson trying to get him on board in support of the so-called "DM visionary"? Hopefully that is not the case, God forbid.

holmoak · « **Reply #12 on:** November 07, 2014, 09:57:11 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

I would like to add one more thing as it touches Bp. Williamson. Did either John Vennari or Fr. Gruner issue a press release or make any editorial comments at the time about the sacking of the good bishop? Did they in any way acknowledge the tragedy of that event, or take notice of it in any way? I can't remember that they did. Maybe it's time to dredge up some old articles they may have written, or interviews they may have conducted, if, indeed, any exist.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=21220&min=0&num=3

hollingsworth · « **Reply #13 on:** November 07, 2014, 10:14:48 PM »

Thanks, holmoak, for linking us to that written statement.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #14 on:** November 07, 2014, 10:23:43 PM »

holmoak:

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Or another frightening scenario. Is Bp. Williamson trying to get him on board in support of the so-called "DM visionary"? Hopefully that is not the case, God forbid.

Holmoak, some of you people never let up, do you? Do you think for a moment that Fr. Gruner would have come to that event, even assuming such a conspicuous place at the speaker's table, had he thought that Bp. Williamson was trying to set him up? Do you think he would have come had he thought that the good bishop had some nefarious motive for inviting him. Hey, maybe Fr. Gruner suspects that there might be something to all of it. Who knows? I surely don't.