Author Topic: Bishop Williamsons Appeal (Read 46598 times)

Ethelred · « **Reply #105 on:** July 21, 2011, 03:36:04 AM »

Newman, you can save your downplaying of cօռspιʀαcιҽs, by the way. Most Cathinfo catholics know there's massive cօռspιʀαcιҽs (the biggest one being Satan's against God and the humans), so you can only bully the "re-educated" i.e. brainwashed Germans.

Paul Craig Roberts explained in June and July 2011 very well what you and Krah do all the time:
(1) Conspiracy Theory
(2) cօռspιʀαcιҽs

The most impudent point however is that liberal "traditionalists" like you attack Bishop Williamson for many things including his brave rejection of the NWO founding h0Ɩ0cαųst lie, whilst on the very same time you propagate and support an intrinsically evil democratic party like the anti-christian CDU (or other anti-christian agendas like Zionism or "Israel" which by the way has been always been combated by the Church including St Pius X -- see his Herzl audience!)

Well, actually anything about Krah is suspicious, as well as about his partners Bp. Fellay, Fr. Pfluger and Fr. Schmidberger (and you).

A befriended catholic and excellent observer with good connections said the following to me, and I'm sure he's right :
Krah was planted into the SSPX by the Synagoge of Satan and their helpers, and connected to the overachiever Fr Pfluger who's the most weak point of the SSPX. And Bp Fellay in his immense naivety doesn't see through it and some other things.

By their fruits you shall know them: Virtually zero vocations in the German zone!
If the German seminary Zaitzkofen would not massively import seminarians from abroad it could shut down in awhile.

In contrast to this, the US seminary which was massively shaped by then Father and later Bishop Williamson, is full with vocations.

God bless Bishop Williamson!

Newman · « **Reply #106 on:** July 21, 2011, 05:00:49 AM »

Etelred, oh my gosh! I write about Saint Thomas of Aquinas and his teaching about how to argue, and you "argue" free of any attempt to understand the other side.

Anyway, some points to clarify: No, I´m not a "buddy" of Dr. Krah. But when reading your hate-inspired words about him, I am more and more convinced that he´s a smart and wise guy and doing the right. I will write him and tell my solidarity.

The German people, dear J.Paul, are in no way "traumatized, self critical, and patholigised." How many Germans do you know? Germany is back again and the Germans are quite satisfied with the role their country plays. And about Tel Aviv University I can´t follow you, either. As I told you, one of the founding fathers of German Catholic tradition, Professor Lauth, taught there.

Ethelred, only a short answer, because I know that you aren´t open for arguments and I don´t want to waste my time: The European Union was founded in the mid-1950s in Rome and blessed by P. Pius XII. The idea to cooperate in Europe instead of make war - as done two times before in the 20th century - is definetely a good one, and Europe is doing quite well since then, isn´t it? The CDU is traditionally the Catholic party. There was a public call in the district notices to vote it last year, as you may remember. And no doubt, at least 80 % of the SSPX-faithful vote CDU. The Greens are not communist. The communists are "Die Linke" (The Left). There is a difference between communist and left-liberal, although I dislike both.

But let me come to your interesting point, the number of priestly ordinations. You are right, the number of Germans becoming priests in the SSPX is low. But look a bit deeper: The number of German-speaking Swiss becoming priests is much higher. The district superior of Switzerland for many years used to be - Father Niklaus Pfluger. His successor is very close to him and promoting the same line; it´s Father Wuilloud. In Germany and Austria, the SSP has more ordinations than the SSPX. If you take the number of ordinations as a measure, one could argue that the SSP is doing better than the German SSPX.

But one thing is clear: If the SSPX would follow +Williamson, it would lose nearly all college-educated faithful immediately, and probably the smartest priests, too. I don´t know whether you have watched this TV-report about the SSPX, and have heard what the seminary-priests have said about +Williamson. They would never accept him, would they?

As I told you, the more I think about and read statements like yours, the more I understand and support +Fellay. To bann extremist positions and to take care on being moderate is essential to convince people and get new faithful. If we want to mission - and we have to do it - we must stop political extremists such as h0Ɩ0cαųst deniers, Hitler-fans, conspiracy theorists etc. Fides et ratio - Faith and reason belong together, and especially when referring to Saint Thomas of Aquinas, there is a duty to stay moderate and distinguished. As far as I see it, the SSPX leadership is doing it, and hence should receive our solidarity and support.

God bless +Fellay!

hollingsworth · « **Reply #107 on:** July 21, 2011, 09:03:02 AM »

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But one thing is clear: If the SSPX would follow +Williamson, it would lose nearly all college-educated faithful immediately, and probably the smartest priests, too.

I don't see that the "college-educated faithful" and the so-called "smartest priests" are making much of a difference presently. A number of them are killing the movement, IMO. To "lose" them does not for me loom as any kind of a disaster in the making. But to follow +W, he has to declare a willingness to lead. Thus far, he has not done that.

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I don´t know whether you have watched this TV-report about the SSPX, and have heard what the seminary-priests have said about +Williamson. They would never accept him, would they?

+W saved the work in America. Had the seminary-priests not followed him at the time "the nine" left, there would be no SSPX in the U.S. The archbishop was ready to pack up and leave, until +W stepped in and saved the day.

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As I told you, the more I think about and read statements like yours, the more I understand and support +Fellay. To bann extremist positions and to take care on being moderate is essential to convince people and get new faithful.

I'm in Post Falls, ID. We don't get "new faithful" of any significant number, as it stands. Growth here is stagnant and has been for ages. Say, Neuman, what are these "extremist positions? Does +W hold extremist positions? Are his views on the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" extremist positions?

the smart sheep · « **Reply #108 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:07:25 AM »

Quote from: Newman

Anyway, some points to clarify: No, I´m not a "buddy" of Dr. Krah. But when reading your hate-inspired words about him, I am more and more convinced that he´s a smart and wise guy and doing the right. I will write him and tell my solidarity.

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You're right, you are not his budddy, You are his enabler. How do you sleep at night and better yet how do you go to Holy Communion every week?

You do not know how to read. These are not hate-inspired words, these are words of truth about hate-inspired actions of krah.

You don't know what the right thing is because you do not know your enemy.

Your solidarity should be with Christ in the Truth not in some man you think is smart and wise.

You are a lost sheep, many prayers needed here,

sheep

LordPhan · « **Reply #109 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:19:49 AM »

Quote from: Newman

Etelred, oh my gosh! I write about Saint Thomas of Aquinas and his teaching about how to argue, and you "argue" free of any attempt to understand the other side.

Anyway, some points to clarify: No, I´m not a "buddy" of Dr. Krah. But when reading your hate-inspired words about him, I am more and more convinced that he´s a smart and wise guy and doing the right. I will write him and tell my solidarity.

The German people, dear J.Paul, are in no way "traumatized, self critical, and patholigised." How many Germans do you know? Germany is back again and the Germans are quite satisfied with the role their country plays. And about Tel Aviv University I can´t follow you, either. As I told you, one of the founding fathers of German Catholic tradition, Professor Lauth, taught there.

Ethelred, only a short answer, because I know that you aren´t open for arguments and I don´t want to waste my time: The European Union was founded in the mid-1950s in Rome and blessed by P. Pius XII. The idea to cooperate in Europe instead of make war - as done two times before in the 20th century - is definetely a good one, and Europe is doing quite well since then, isn´t it? The CDU is traditionally the Catholic party. There was a public call in the district notices to vote it last year, as you may remember. And no doubt, at least 80 % of the SSPX-faithful vote CDU. The Greens are not communist. The communists are "Die Linke" (The Left). There is a difference between communist and left-liberal, although I dislike both.

But let me come to your interesting point, the number of priestly ordinations. You are right, the number of Germans becoming priests in the SSPX is low. But look a bit deeper: The number of German-speaking Swiss becoming priests is much higher. The district superior of Switzerland for many years used to be - Father Niklaus Pfluger. His successor is very close to him and promoting the same line; it´s Father Wuilloud. In Germany and Austria, the SSP has more ordinations than the SSPX. If you take the number of ordinations as a measure, one could argue that the SSP is doing better than the German SSPX.

But one thing is clear: If the SSPX would follow +Williamson, it would lose nearly all college-educated faithful immediately, and probably the smartest priests, too. I don´t know whether you have watched this TV-report about the SSPX, and have heard what the seminary-priests have said about +Williamson. They would never accept him, would they?

As I told you, the more I think about and read statements like yours, the more I understand and support +Fellay. To bann extremist positions and to take care on being moderate is essential to convince people and get new faithful. If we want to mission - and we have to do it - we must stop political extremists such as h0Ɩ0cαųst deniers, Hitler-fans, conspiracy theorists etc. Fides et ratio - Faith and reason belong together, and especially when referring to Saint Thomas of Aquinas, there is a duty to stay moderate and distinguished. As far as I see it, the SSPX leadership is doing it, and hence should receive our solidarity and support.

God bless +Fellay!

Why are you watching TV Reports? Why are you watching TV? It is the Position of the SSPX to not watch TV and 3rd Order SSPX are forbidden to watch TV.

TV is controlled by our Enemies the Freemasons who distort and lie.

You have just accused a Catholic Bishop of being an "Extremist" According to the laws of the council of Trent you must prove this. Since Bishop Williamson does not support the nαzι's as you and the media claim you are guilty of calumny against a Bishop. This is a grave mortal sin. Bishop Williamson supports the truth, a truth by the way which is known across the world except in Germany. It is illegal to speak the truth in Germany. The Russians released the Aushwhich Docuмents after the cold war which prove that their were no Gas Chambers and that only a few hundred thousand Jews died. So why are you giving Billions of dollars to Israel?

By Giving Billions of dollars to Israel Germany will go down in history as commiting yet another genocide this time against the Palestinians, some of which are Christian.

Your accusations against Bishop Williamson are baseless to anyone who knows him or his positions and you are in serious mortal sin for uttering them.

Faith and Reason do belong together however it is NOT you who has these traits but it is we who are on the side of Bishop Williamson who have both Faith and Reason, it is we who actually follow St. Thomas Aquinas, in fact is Bishop Williamson who is the very best Thomistic scholar we have.
You would know this of course if you were not blinded by the media, the very media you are not supposed to be supporting.

The Media is Anti-Catholic and has always been, there are as Christ our Lord said two Kingdoms, the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of Satan, all who are not true Catholics are in the Kingdom of Satan and as such it is a dogmatic fact that all who are not in the Kingdom of Heaven will always hate Christs true church.

Your claim that the college educated are on the side of Bishop Fellay and against Bishop Williamson is quite rediculous. I am in a very Pro Bishop Williamson camp which contains, among others, PhD's and Lawyers. The Smartest Priests I have ever met are the ones trained by Bishop Williamson himself.

I can only conclude from your statement that their are either two possibilites. 1: You are a Liar, 2. German Colleges must be brainwashing people.

Bishop Fellay is losing more and more support in North America and everyone around here is solidly on the side of Bishop Williamson. Bishop Williamson is by far the most intelligent clergy in the SSPX.

It is said that Archbishop Lefebre sent one name to John Paul II in 1988 and stated that if he could have only 1 Bishop it would be Bishop Williamson.

Bishop Fellay on the other hand was an afterthought, originally after the dispute with JPII Archbishop Lefebre was going to consecrate 3 Bishops but changed it to 4 to include a Swiss at the last minute.

You have stated that you in the SSPX in Germany are voting for Liberals, since Liberalism is the very thing we are fighting I found this most distressful to hear. One cannot be a good Catholic and vote for a Masonic Belief system, Liberalism is the very thing that the Masons created.

Your claims about Germany being liked is quite rediculous aswell, you sound like a Nationalist, Catholics are not Nation first people, but then again you sound like a modernist aswell.

Germany is not well thought of in Catholic circles and those are the circles you should be concerned with, when our countries do something to please the Media or the Masonic controlled United Nations we are ashamed and protest, but you seem to be proud that you are allied with the Kingdom of Satan.

You do not sound like a good Catholic and your posts are making me like Bishop Fellay even less, because if people here were to believe that Bishop Fellay believes as you do there would be a mass split in the SSPX.

I do not think you realize what is going on, nor do I think you realize the gravity of the divisions that Bishop Fellay is causing. The only Priests that would support Bishop Fellay over Bishop Williamson are the very Priests who want to make a deal with Rome.

More and More I hear of discontent with Bishop Fellay over his handling, not just on the forums but across Southern Ontario, I'd assume it would be the same in the United States.

God Bless Bishop Williamson.

s2srea · « **Reply #110 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:30:20 AM »

Quote from: LordPhan

I can only conclude from your statement that their are either two possibilites. 1: You are a Liar, 2. German Colleges must be brainwashing people.

I believe the 2nd. Newman, I'm sure you are good willed. I know many here may seem to not be fully considering your side of argument, however, I can almost say without a doubt, they have. Perhaps taking a step back to actually listen to what they are saying would do you some good as well. There are some very valid points being made my friend. It would be unwise to take the facts presented to us by the media as true.

John Grace · « **Reply #111 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:32:11 AM »

To follow Bishop Williamson is to follow the mission of Archbishop Lefebvre. Bishop Williamson has remained faithful to the mission and apostolate of the late Archbishop. Attacking Bishop Williamson and defending a liberal and masonic CDU is very revealing, Newman. You appear to wish to abandon the fight of Archbishop Lefebvre, NewMan.

I hope to discuss your views with a friend of mine in Stuttgart, Newman.

John Grace · « **Reply #112 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:55:06 AM »

Newman,

You mentioned the Facebook page of Max Krah. Of his 'Activities and Interests' he lists 'Agent Provocateur' This is what 'Agent Provocateur' is:

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Welcome to the official fan page of luxury lingerie brand, Agent Provocateur.

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Company Overview The world famous luxury lingerie brand has stores across the fashion centres of the world, including in London, New York, Vancouver, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Paris, Vienna, Berlin and more. The first shop was opened on London's Broadwick Street in the Soho district in 1994.
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Agent Provocateur lingerie is an opulent range of inspirational creations, designed to intensify life’s pleasures and unlock your innermost desires. Our elegant ranges, designed with both the boardroom and the boudoir in mind, ensure that women can be sexy and professional as the mood takes them.
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'Activities and Interests' of Max Krah

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Columbia University, Thomas de Maizière, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, Angela Merkel, London Business School, KDStV Chursachsen, 116. Mittelschule Dresden, Kreuzgymnasium, Columbia University, Columbia Business School Executive MBA Program, LinkedIn, Mittelstandsvereinigung der CDU Dresden, CDU Dresden, Hotel Sacher, Josef Ackermann, Agent Provocateur, Joachim Gauck, Exzellenz für Dresden, Junge Union Dresden, Junge Union Sachsen & Niederschlesien, Lufthansa, Lufthansa Senator Status, The Oratory of S Philip Neri in London (Brompton Oratory), Pushkin Cafe, Russian Ministry for Economic Development, Sankt Petersburg, Moscow, Patrick Schreiber, GUT JAIDHOF, DesignerHeels, vorne-sitzen.de, Ipad 2, Boris Johnson, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, EINSTEIN KAFFEE Dresden, Bobby Jindal, Friedrich Merz, Columbia Business School, Russian Standard Deutschland, gerne-katholisch.de, EB&Flow, CDU Dresden - Ortsverband Zschachwitz, CallaJet.de (Privatjet Charter Broker), German Embassy Washington, CDU-Fraktion Sachsen, Bishop Bernard Fellay, Henryk M. Broder, The Economist, Support German Troops, Donald Rumsfeld, Dmitri Shostakovich, Wir wollen Guttenberg zurück, DER SPIEGEL, Nicolas Sarkozy, Royal Opera House, Semperoper, FÜR Stuttgart 21, Benedikt XVI, Konrad-Adenauer-Stiftung, SPAM, CDU Hamburg, EMBA Global Asia 2012and 47 more

hollingsworth · « **Reply #113 on:** July 21, 2011, 11:24:38 AM »

Newman, you haven't answered a question I put to you directly (and you won't), because, I believe, you are just an extension of that thread-killing creep over at IA, the "bifurcated fisth" Ashmolean. Let me put it to you directly again, sirrah: Is Bishop Williamson, in your opinion, an "extremist?" Simple question, requiring a simple answer.

John Grace · « **Reply #114 on:** July 21, 2011, 02:52:29 PM »

Maximilian Krah (Facebook)

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Activities and Interests
Other Columbia University, Thomas de Maizière, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, Angela Merkel, London Business School, KDStV Chursachsen, 116. Mittelschule Dresden, Kreuzgymnasium, Columbia University, Columbia Business School Executive MBA Program, LinkedIn, Mittelstandsvereinigung der CDU Dresden, CDU Dresden, Hotel Sacher, Josef Ackermann, Agent Provocateur, Joachim Gauck, Exzellenz für Dresden, Junge Union Dresden, Junge Union Sachsen & Niederschlesien, Lufthansa, Lufthansa Senator Status, The Oratory of S Philip Neri in London (Brompton Oratory), Pushkin Cafe, Russian Ministry for Economic Development, Sankt Petersburg, Moscow, Patrick Schreiber, GUT JAIDHOF, DesignerHeels, vorne-sitzen.de, Ipad 2, Boris Johnson, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, EINSTEIN KAFFEE Dresden, Bobby Jindal, Friedrich Merz, Columbia Business School, Russian Standard Deutschland, gerne-katholisch.de, EB&Flow, CDU Dresden - Ortsverband Zschachwitz, CallaJet.de (Privatjet Charter Broker), German Embassy Washington, CDU-Fraktion Sachsen, Bishop Bernard Fellay, Henryk M. Broder, The Economist, Support German Troops, Donald Rumsfeld, Dmitri Shostakovich, Wir wollen Guttenberg zurück, DER SPIEGEL, Nicolas Sarkozy, Royal Opera House, Semperoper, FÜR Stuttgart 21, Benedikt XVI, Konrad-Adenauer-Stiftung, SPAM, CDU Hamburg, EMBA Global Asia 2012and 47 more

DesignerHeels
Why the interest in designer high heels, Mr Krah?

s2srea · « **Reply #115 on:** July 21, 2011, 02:57:43 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

Maximilian Krah (Facebook)

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Activities and Interests
Other Columbia University, Thomas de Maizière, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, Angela Merkel, London Business School, KDStV Chursachsen, 116. Mittelschule Dresden, Kreuzgymnasium, Columbia University, Columbia Business School Executive MBA Program, LinkedIn, Mittelstandsvereinigung der CDU Dresden, CDU Dresden, Hotel Sacher, Josef Ackermann, Agent Provocateur, Joachim Gauck, Exzellenz für Dresden, Junge Union Dresden, Junge Union Sachsen & Niederschlesien, Lufthansa, Lufthansa Senator Status, The Oratory of S Philip Neri in London (Brompton Oratory), Pushkin Cafe, Russian Ministry for Economic Development, Sankt Petersburg, Moscow, Patrick Schreiber, GUT JAIDHOF, DesignerHeels, vorne-sitzen.de, Ipad 2, Boris Johnson, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, EINSTEIN KAFFEE Dresden, Bobby Jindal, Friedrich Merz, Columbia Business School, Russian Standard Deutschland, gerne-katholisch.de, EB&Flow, CDU Dresden - Ortsverband Zschachwitz, CallaJet.de (Privatjet Charter Broker), German Embassy Washington, CDU-Fraktion Sachsen, Bishop Bernard Fellay, Henryk M. Broder, The Economist, Support German Troops, Donald Rumsfeld, Dmitri Shostakovich, Wir wollen Guttenberg zurück, DER SPIEGEL, Nicolas Sarkozy, Royal Opera House, Semperoper, FÜR Stuttgart 21, Benedikt XVI, Konrad-Adenauer-Stiftung, SPAM, CDU Hamburg, EMBA Global Asia 2012and 47 more

DesignerHeels
Why the interest in designer high heels, Mr Krah?

Are you guys really judging a man by his Facebook interests? C'mon.... you have more substantial evidence than this...

PS
Many times people use this as a humorous section... ie- not real interests...

JPaul · « **Reply #116 on:** July 21, 2011, 04:12:58 PM »

Newman,

Again we must come back to reality,

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The German people, dear J.Paul, are in no way "traumatized, self critical, and patholigised." How many Germans do you know? Germany is back again and the Germans are quite satisfied with the role their country plays. And about Tel Aviv University I can´t follow you, either. As I told you, one of the founding fathers of German Catholic tradition, Professor Lauth, taught there.

The German people as a whole are indeed suffering from an induced mass psychosis. How many Germans actually believe the falsified history of WWI and WWII? How many Germans believe that Germany is responsible for WWII?
Why does a country which is satisfied with itself continue to pay billions in reparations? How does such a contented population allow and accept laws written by Zionist extremists who despise the German to take away his liberty, freedom, and dignity? Germany is now a country which represses any show of nationalism. How can one be proud of one's country when one cannot be proud of who he is and his heritage? How can a mentally healthy and self confident nation allow itself to be bullied and humiliated by a group of racialist extemists who have played the major part in the destruction of Germany twice over?

Perhaps you are just one more re-educated person who knows and believes no more than the approved false narrative.

As for Tel Aviv University, in is indisputable fact that it is a major hotbed of Mossad intriques and prolific producer of radical тαℓмυdist Zionists who are the agents and soldiers of the terror state.

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and we have to do it - we must stop political extremists such as h0Ɩ0cαųst deniers, Hitler-fans, conspiracy theorists etc. Fides et ratio - Faith and reason belong together,

This is the lanquage of the international Zionist! We have the Glorius Catholic faith, but you would have us suspend all reason to be as obedient slaves to falsehood. Who can consciously do such a thing and think that he remains Catholic?

Ethelred · « **Reply #117 on:** July 21, 2011, 04:55:55 PM »

Quote from: J.Paul

Why are you [=Neuman] watching TV Reports? Why are you watching TV? It is the Position of the SSPX to not watch TV and 3rd Order SSPX are forbidden to watch TV.

TV is controlled by our Enemies the Freemasons who distort and lie.

A large part of the German-speaking SSPX laity ignores this fact. So they watch TV and read the standard mass media which are both controlled by God's enemies.

The SSPX headquarter in Stuttgart regularly encourages the FRG laity to watch certain TV shows, e.g. when there's another agitation report against the traditional catholics including the SSPX. Because then usually Fr Schmidberger or Bp Fellay is shown for 60 or so seconds. Afterwards the SSPX folks are happy and think they've improved their public relations. The motto must be: the more often you got mentioned the better!

There's several reasons for this unwise behaviour. One reason is that the deformed European SSPX seeks frantically to have a good press and good TV reports. This started with Krah's advisory activity in Stuttgart and Menzingen. Another reason is that the FRG is a very, very liberal country. And furthermore the deformed European SSPX has no deep connection to Archbishop Lefebvre anymore but uses him as a fig-leaf.

Anyway, this voluntary exposure to the barrage of mass media means a re-education of the European catholics.

Quote from: Neuman

I don´t know whether you have watched this TV-report about the SSPX

The SSPX superiors officially encouraged the laity to watch this TV-report. It has been made by a Jew, by the way, and was no good. That's the "Krah connection".

Quote from: Neuman

... and have heard what the seminary-priests have said about +Williamson. They would never accept him, would they?

Unfortunately the German SSPX seminary in Zaitzkofen tends to be brainwashed, too. E.g. Neuman's recommended TV-report made by a Jew, "nicely" showed a lection at lunchtime where one poor seminarian had to read a "h0Ɩ0cαųst" scary story to the eating seminarians...

I hope the American seminaries don't do such non-spiritual lections during lunch, but spiritual ones. Their increasing number of new priests indicates so. God bless Bishop Williamson.

Ethelred · « **Reply #118 on:** July 21, 2011, 05:06:16 PM »

Quote from: J.Paul

The time before WWI was a catastrophe for Germany. The time after WWI was a catastrophe for Germany. The time after WWII was a catastrophe for Germany.
The country has re-established itself once again due to the quality and industriousness of the German people, as they have repeatedly done throughout history. However Germany today is a country with a traumatized, self critical, and patholigised population. As former Chancellor Helmut Schmidt noted, "We have falsified our own history into a criminal record!"

The German people are the first victims of the false history which Bishop Williamson and the few prelates with the courage to speak out have declared void.

Well said, and thanks also for your newest post.

As an Austrian German traveling to Federal Republic of Germany frequently, I can verify what you said. The main reason for this German self destructive traumatisation is the vicious 'h0Ɩ0cαųst' lie. This traumatisation is also the reason why so many German-speaking SSPX priests and superiors acted and still act very hysterical about what the good Bishop Williamson said (Bp Fellay is half Swiss-French and half Swiss-German).

Bishop Williamson had mercy with us Germans when he answered the Swedish interview question truthfully. He surely knows that the Germans who now as attack dogs of the Jews attack the Bishop and try to bring him to court are re-educated i.e. brainwashed. So it's high time for another washing program: the truth!

Indeed many Germans are brainwashed constantly by the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" propaganda which is omnipresent in the German-speaking media. Beginning with Krah's advisory activity in the SSPX also the European SSPX started to become "h0Ɩ0cαųst"-ified, in fact already before January 2009. Nicely timed anyway.

In contrast to the leadership of the deformed SSPX the good Archbishop Lefebvre wisely avoided the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" and WWII lies because he knew:

Quote from: Archbishop Lefebvre

Since Israel refused the true Messiah, it would give itself another messianism that is temporal and earthbound, dominating the world by money, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Revolution, and social democracy.
We must not, however, forget that those Jews who were disciples of the true Messiah founded the true Israel, the spiritual kingdom, which prepares the heavenly kingdom.
The worldwide designs of the Jews are being brought about in our time, but they started with the foundation of Masonry and the Revolution which has decapitated the Church and set up worldwide socialist democracy.

("Marcel Lefebvre" by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, Angelus Press, pages 602-603)

The Russian News & Information Agency RIA Novosti reported on 20/7/2011 something which nicely underlines what you, J.Paul, wrote in your two posts: Germany to donate another Submarine to Israel

Let's translate a key passage of the German text :

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Germany about to deliver the sixth submarine of the Dolphin class [...] to the Israeli marine [...]
"Israel will only pay two third of the full price", writes Kommersat. "The Germans virtually donated the first two submarines to the Israelis. The reasons for this liberality were brought to light by a conversation between the US embassy in Tel Aviv and the US foreign ministry, which later has been leaked by Wikileaks: The US diplomats explained the German liberality with the German guilt complex for the h0Ɩ0cαųst."
[...]

So even today FRG is "donating" such submarines to the war criminal Israel which cost over one billion (British: milliard) Euros. Despite the de facto bankruptcy of FRG!

By the way, the world's financial crisis doesn't exist in one country: Israel. Maybe that's the reason why Menzingen and Stuttgart hire a Zionist like Krah? :)

Newman · « **Reply #119 on:** July 21, 2011, 06:19:28 PM »

Beyond Facebook, let us come back.

First, yes, I believe that +Williamson helds extremist positions. And as far as I have read what +Fellay or Fr Schmidberger wrote, they do agree with that. +Fellay compared him with "uranium" etc.

It is interesting for me to see how different the experiences are. I am surrounded by people who are fully pro +Fellay and the SSPX-leadership and openly against +Williamson. And the parish isn´t that small and I am not isolated. The same with the priests. The best and most accepted German expert for St. Thomas of Aquinas is Fr Gaudron. He would never agree that +W is in anyway an expert in St. Thomas of Aquinas. The views you describe me from the US are completely different from what I experience here and hear from friends in Switzerland and Paris (St Nicholas).

I don´t know about the situation in Austria. But until now I thought it would be quite similar to Germany and Switzerland. So I wonder about your words, Ethelred. I don´t know about the situation of the SSPX there - it might be a very small group, right? - but the h0Ɩ0cαųst denying law is even stricter than in Germany, isn´t it?

The movie I mentioned was braodcasted in TV and got recommended by the SSPX clergy. One can buy the video-CD from the district seat in Stuttgart. I like it very much, it is fair and balanced. At all, the media reports on the SSPX have reached some fairness, especially in comparison to the first wave after the TV-interview with +W was broadcasted. It changed w/ the SPIEGEL interview of +Fellay.

Maybe your Americans and Brits do underestimate the importance of Germany in today´s church. There is the German Pope who is doing quite well and there are the German bishops, mostly horrible, who have power due to their immense financal funds they get from the German state which collects taxes for them. Germany and the Catholic church here is not under supression by outsiders, but by their own Vatican-II-minded elite.

The fight on the faith is neither about economics nor about politics and history, but on doctrine. In Germany, there is a famous Catholic author, Matussek, who wrote a book pro ecclesia, another famous novelist, Mosebach, wrote a book to support the mass "de toujours." Both are bestsellers. I don´t know another country in which such books are written by established writers, get bestsellers and are commented positively in the papers. So I do not agree in your bashing of today´s Germany. It´s a nice and friendly country. More, I see the positive results of the media camapgn by +Fellay and the SSPX. Things have changed and got better. There are good fruits. It´s not convincing to stay aside and be lucky about bad news, we all have to do what´s possible. We are not from the world, but we´re in it, so we have to communicate with those who aren´t with us yet. It´s never wrong to be nice and to care on the picture we give to others. Isn´t there a PR-consultant hired in Austria? What are the results? Anyway, I see the SSPX on a good way. Maybe an agreement with the Pope is possible within the truth. We should all contribute in the rosarys +Fellay asks to pray. May God bless him!