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Offline John Grace

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« on: July 04, 2011, 03:45:25 PM »
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  • It seems the Menzingen lawyer, who likes to show up at Jєωιѕн fundraising events has been critical of the Bishop yet again.

    http://www.sueddeutsche.de/bayern/prozess-gegen-bischof-williamson-plaudern-ueber-gaskammern-1.1116124
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    Viel weiter kann sich eine katholische Priestergemeinschaft wohl nicht von einem ihrer Mitglieder distanzieren. Ein Exzentriker sei Bischof Richard Williamson; einer, der ein "nachhaltiges Problem mit der Realitätserkennung" habe und in "schöner Regelmäßigkeit alle zwei Jahre an den Weltuntergang glaubt". So sprach am Montag in Regensburg Maximilian Krah, der Rechtsvertreter der deutschen Pius-Sektion, über Williamson, einen der eigenen Gemeinschaft. Und fasste schließlich zusammen: "Bunter Vogel, das trifft's, glaub ich." Was vom Landgericht Regensburg als Zeugenvernehmung gedacht war, war zugleich eine öffentliche Distanzierung des Ordens von ihrem gefallenen Mitbruder, über dessen Treiben wieder einmal ein Gericht zu befinden hatte. Wieder ging es um die Frage: Ist es für einen britischen Staatsbürger strafbar, wenn er in einem Interview mit einem schwedischen Fernsehsender auf deutschem Boden den h0Ɩ0cαųst leugnet?


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    See also the post from the Bishop

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    ELEISON  COMMENTS  CCVI  (June 25, 2011) :  CHOOSING  LAWYERS

    These "Comments" do not usually tell of things personal, but on the eve of their writer's Appeal being heard in Germany (July 4), an UNTRUTH is circulating which needs to be set straight, amongst other things to allay unwarranted anxieties. The untruth is that I wish my defence against the German State's accusation of "racial incitement" to be based on the truth or falsehood of what actually happened in the most controversial episode of recent German history.

    In fact from the moment I knew that I might be accused in Germany of "racial incitement" for remarks made in English to Swedish journalists in November of 2008, I also knew that if I repeated the remarks in front of a German law-court, I risked being immediately thrown into jail. Such is the present state of German law. However, I would rather not be decorated with chains, if I can help it.

    So from the beginning I heeded the advice to defend myself on the basis that my remarks were self-evidently in no way intended for a German audience, and thus the German law did not apply to my situation. This much is clear from the last minute of the famous video-clip available on YouTube, which is the last several minutes of the one-hour interview with the Swedes. Moreover, immediately after those remarks, but off camera, I went up to the Swedes and earnestly asked them to be "discrete" in the use they would make of the last part of the interview. This much they would have to admit if they were to testify, but they cannot be forced to come to Germany, so they decline to do so.

    As for my changing lawyers four times, the Society's Superior General originally entrusted my defence to the Society's lawyer, Maximilian Krah, who chose to engage Matthias Lossmann, a member of the, alas, anti-Catholic Green Party. He was conscientious but perhaps not too enthusiastic about the case. Through friends, I discovered a lawyer enthusiastic and highly successful in defending such delicate cases, Wolfram Nahrath, but Lossmann was unwilling to work with him. Seeking only the best legal counsel available to me in my quandary, I switched from Lossmann to Nahrath.

    However, when the Superior General was informed by aides of Nahrath's political position, he ordered me to find someone else again, believing in good faith no doubt that any public association between the SSPX and "an extreme rightist" would be detrimental. He approved of the elderly and honourable Dr. Norbert Wingerter, a conservative Novus Ordo Catholic, but it appears that it could be Wingerter who is unwittingly the source of the untruth now in circulation. I do not know why, but he seems to be under the mistaken impression that I wanted to go, in front of the court, into the truth or untruth of that episode in German history. Fortunately the Superior General had already approved of yet another lawyer, who now understands correctly how I wish to be defended.

    Dear readers, if you think that the interests of God are in any way at stake (not everybody thinks so), do say a prayer between now and July 4 for my latest lawyer who has been for several months working hard on the case, but who is liable to come under fierce pressure from anti-Catholic interests and their powerful servants.                                                      

    Kyrie eleison.


    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15209337,00.html
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    A bishop convicted of denying the h0Ɩ0cαųst has skipped the start of his own appeal in a German court. Richard Williamson was convicted of ѕєdιтισn and fined for denying the h0Ɩ0cαųst.  

    British bishop Richard Williamson was not present at the opening of his appeal on Monday in Germany.

    Williamson, a member of the ultra-conservative Saint Pius X Society, was fined 10,000 euros ($14,000) last year by a Regensburg court for statements he made to a Swedish TV station denying the h0Ɩ0cαųst.

    His lawyer Edgar Weiler said that the interview, which was widely circulated over the Internet, was never intended to be seen by the German public.

    Weiler said the appeals process did not concern the substance of the comments, but "exclusively the jurisdiction of the German judiciary and the issue of public utterance."

    In the interview with Swedish TV at the beginning of last year, Williamson suggested that the number of Jєωs murdered by the nαzιs was actually 200,000-300,000 - far lower than the six million historians say were killed. Williamson also suggested that "not one" of them was killed in a gas chamber.

    Protest from Merkel
     
    h0Ɩ0cαųst denial is a criminal offense in Germany and Austria. Williamson had asked the Swedish station to ensure that the footage was never shown in Germany.

    Williamson's views have caused problems for the Catholic Church. The January 2008 reversal of Williamson's excommunication by Pope Benedict XVI drew criticism from many, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who demanded that the pope "clarify unambiguously that there can be no denying" that the nαzιs killed six million Jєωs.

    Author: Sarah Harman (KNA, dpa)  
    Editor: Nancy Isenson





    Offline Wessex

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    « Reply #1 on: July 04, 2011, 06:40:10 PM »
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  • Another opportunity to belittle the bishop, courtesy of Menzingen's substantial legal fund. With a brotherhood like that, who needs enemies?


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    « Reply #2 on: July 05, 2011, 12:45:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: Wessex
    Another opportunity to belittle the bishop, courtesy of Menzingen's substantial legal fund. With a brotherhood like that, who needs enemies?



    Clearly, the record shows that no such opportunity has been left unused.  It must be, that Menzingen approves of the latest public derogation by its legal representative.  

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    « Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 02:15:23 PM »
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  • Ethelred posted the following on Ignis Ardens but the post with a quotation from Archbishop Lefebvre has been removed.

    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=7525&st=0
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    Marcelle, this small point "outside of their jurisdiction" is the crux of the matter. Because the "German" court argues that since the interview happened on German territory -- the SSPX seminary in the castle Zaitzkofen near the Bavarian German town Regensburg -- it would be their jurisdiction.

    Whilst the interview physically happened on German territory, it was done in English language and for the Swedish TV audience. Most Germans don't speak English well enough in order to understand what the Bishop said.

    But your comparison is good insofar, because the "German" courts also try to persecute web servers outside Germany containing German texts which are not compatible with the h0Ɩ0cαųst "dogma". So they try to bring the Jєωιѕн dominated "German" law to other countries, and since they can't really do it, they forced several big German Internet providers to ban the Internet addresses of these foreign web servers. So many Germans can't browse to these web servers from within Germany. Well, the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr bosses like Rockefeller already said they want the Internet to be cut globally.

    Unfortunately, we cannot expect justice coming from a "German" court or government, because the high finance is in control of Germany's governments (plural!) and so the country.
    This will end soon, however. The Jєω's and their helper's massive hysteria around the "Bishop Williamson case" shows that they're past their "best". Thank God. The Bishop helped well in underlining this fact. So his suffering for justice is not for nothing.


    The forum thread on Ignis Ardens has been closed with Clare citing it  
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    This is looking set to become a counterproductive thread, so I think I'll lock it.

    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=7525&st=25

    The quotation from Archbishop Lefebvre posted by Ethelred is:

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    "Since Israel refused the true Messiah, it would give itself another messianism that is temporal and earthbound, dominating the world by money, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Revolution, and social democracy.
    We must not, however, forget that those Jєωs who were disciples of the true Messiah founded the true Israel, the spiritual kingdom, which prepares the heavenly kingdom.
    The worldwide designs of the Jєωs are being brought about in our time, but they started with the foundation of Masonry and the Revolution which has decapitated the Church and set up worldwide socialist democracy"

    ("Marcel Lefebvre" by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, Angelus Press, pages 602-603)



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    « Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 02:41:39 PM »
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  • Did she really delete the quote?

    How bizarre.  SSPX cultists are bizarre.


    Offline John Grace

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    « Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 03:02:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Did she really delete the quote?

    How bizarre.  SSPX cultists are bizarre.


    The SSPX is not cultist but yes she did delete the quotation from Archbishop Lefebvre.


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    « Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 03:05:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Did she really delete the quote?

    How bizarre.  SSPX cultists are bizarre.


    Ignis-Ardens is basically a Menzingen cheering club and protecting Krah and his SSPX mentor Fr. Pfluger.
    After the liberal Clare locked the thread because she had no arguments and just monkeys around anyway, she silently deleted three of my postings which replied to Wessex' good points and to pro Jєωιѕн Ashmo's rubbish. These three postings included the mentioned Archbishop Lefebvre's quote plus a confirming one from David Rockefeller.

    Since my local cache still has got these three mentioned articles I'll try to post them here. They're a little bit out of context but maybe I can correct this with some quotes.

    I am not interested in that British Krahgate denying forum anymore. They're no friends of Bishop Williamson. They just keep him as a pet. What a shame.


    P.S. Thank you John for the pointer.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 03:41:55 PM »
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  • (Restoring deleted IA posting #1)

    Quote from: Wessex
    What is so surprising is the silence from so-called friends of the bishop; maybe the benefits from 'modernisation' are sufficient to bury him.


    Since by now virtually all Western countries are controlled by the first and oldest enemies of our Lord, i.e. the Jєωs and their virtual fraud money, it's rather a strategic silence.

    Let's just wait a little longer. Then the entire satanic 1789 anti-order will fall, and also its colossal lie named "h0Ɩ0cαųst" basing the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. This "new religion" won't "last a thousand years" (in quotation marks because Wessex used these expressions in another IA thread).

    Of course it will cost very many casualties in our own rows, too, but there will be a "backslash" and more, i.e. God's chastisement. That's what the Bishop is talking about so many times and what Krah absolutely doesn't want to hear because he's part of this new globalist religion.

    I'm amazed how the children of Satan (John VIII,44) can believe that their "world of lies" can persist. They use all of their skills and perfidy to make their lies work, but in the end these will just burst like a bubble.


    Despite these interesting time and despite the Krahgate, Max Krah is still the SSPX' attorney and SSPX-officially allowed to bash the good British Bishop inside this "German" court all those high finance owned newspapers "report" about. What a shame!


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    « Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 03:42:52 PM »
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  • (Restoring deleted IA posting #2)

    Quote from: Wessex
    Ethelred, Germany and by extension the EU have sold their souls to the new economic order with New York as their holy shrine.


    That's true. So the perfidious Jєωs -- being the chosen people of Satan since their deicide -- indeed function as a Scourge of God.


    Quote from: Wessex
    Europeans seem mesmerised in the presence of the great "victims of history" that run this holy shrine and we all have to contribute dearly as a result. This is Bp. Williamson's essential message. Against him in their own ways are Merkel and Krah, both East Germans and both well-versed in political expediency and choosing the "right" side of history. One wonders who is the bishop's worse foe: the grinding political machine that is Germany or the obscene duplicity that is Menzingen.


    Very well said. Thank you!

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    « Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 03:48:19 PM »
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  • (Restoring deleted IA posting #3)

    Quote from: Ashmo
    And make up your mind: are "the Jєωs" baffled, or pushing on to victory?


    The Jєωs being the chosen people of Satan since their deicide, do share his fate on earth: they're thinking they could win but are baffled in all essential things and will fail miserably in the long run.


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    It's odd: "the Jєωs" are in control everywhere ... the "bubble" of lies is all-powerful and irresistable, but it's just going to burst ...


    I never said the lies are all-powerful or irresistible. God alone is all-powerful. And that's the reason why the lies will burst. The lies are resistible for those who like to think to the end and so follow the Trinitarian God.
    Unfortunately too many people don't like to think to the end. So indeed many people are ready to believe the lies. That's what makes these lies and hence Satan and his human lackeys powerful.


    Without doubt the world domination of the Jєωs is very advanced today, which means the lack of catholic faith has reached a climax, too. So God alone can save us. "The worldwide designs of the Jєωs are being brought about in our time" said the wise Archbishop, but many of his so called "followers" don't want to know it anymore.

    God's intervention will indeed bring a true and saintly pope, a converted catholic Russia (as Our Lady said in Fatima), well a Reign of the Saints, but first we'll have to survive that "another Flood" which allows so and which Bishop Williamson mentioned many times.



    Archbishop Lefebvre knew about this Jєωιѕн world domination, because it's a natural followup of their deicide which is uphold collectively by the Jєωs down to the present day (and to the end of time, to be accurate). You should read Archbishop Lefebvre and the former orthodox Popes and think about what they said. Much better than to hang around with your Jєωιѕн Friends. Krah's hanging around with his Jєωιѕн friends, too, that's why he really hates the following quote and actually most others from the good Archbishop, too.
    Quote from: Archbishop Lefebvre
    Since Israel refused the true Messiah, it would give itself another messianism that is temporal and earthbound, dominating the world by money, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Revolution, and social democracy.
    We must not, however, forget that those Jєωs who were disciples of the true Messiah founded the true Israel, the spiritual kingdom, which prepares the heavenly kingdom.
    The worldwide designs of the Jєωs are being brought about in our time, but they started with the foundation of Masonry and the Revolution which has decapitated the Church and set up worldwide socialist democracy.

    ("Marcel Lefebvre" by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, Angelus Press, pages 602-603)



    Now let's quote one of today's most powerful lackey of Satan, because he basically confirms what the Archbishop said.
    Quote from: David Rockefeller senior
    For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

    ("Memoirs" by David Rockefeller, 2002, page 405)


    That's one of the reasons why the "German" court in Jєωιѕн controlled Germany is going to have sentence the good Bishop Williamson. Surely the Bishop knows this. He's got a good humour, so I'm wondering if he's pulling their leg?

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    « Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 04:45:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    Quote from: Telesphorus
    Did she really delete the quote?

    How bizarre.  SSPX cultists are bizarre.


    The SSPX is not cultist but yes she did delete the quotation from Archbishop Lefebvre.



    No. I archived the whole post of Ethelred's of which Archbishop Lefebvre's quote was a part. If the post had just been the Archbishop's quote, I would not have removed it. I did a bit of tidying earlier.


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    « Reply #11 on: July 06, 2011, 04:45:29 PM »
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  • Many thanks for this, Ethelred. Catholics must stand for and by the truth even if it means the sacrifice of our very lives.

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    « Reply #12 on: July 06, 2011, 05:02:43 PM »
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    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15209337,00.html
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    A bishop convicted of denying the h0Ɩ0cαųst has skipped the start of his own appeal


    What does this mean?  You can place a court docuмent into the docket instead of showing up? Is this what he did?

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    « Reply #13 on: July 06, 2011, 05:05:49 PM »
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    Quote from: Telesphorus
    Did she really delete the quote?

    How bizarre.  SSPX cultists are bizarre.


    The SSPX is not cultist but yes she did delete the quotation from Archbishop Lefebvre.



    No. I archived the whole post of Ethelred's of which Archbishop Lefebvre's quote was a part. If the post had just been the Archbishop's quote, I would not have removed it. I did a bit of tidying earlier.


    The British District notice about 'Krahgate' was up for several weeks before it was archived so very strange you archived the posts of Ethelred after a couple of hours. You stated the thread was counter-productive. It appears as if Ignis Ardens thinks the quotation from Archbishop Lefebvre is counter-productive.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 06, 2011, 05:11:29 PM »
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    After the liberal Clare locked the thread because she had no arguments and just monkeys around anyway, she silently deleted three of my postings which replied to Wessex' good points and to pro Jєωιѕн Ashmo's rubbish


    Is it possible to view Ethelred's posts and the quote from the Archbishop on Ignis Ardens?