More selfishly, perhaps, where does that leave us?  The very idea that sspx seminarians, become priests, should have to passively accept h0Ɩ0cαųst tommyrot or even actively promote it one day,  leaves me cold.   I am afraid that the whole work of sspx may now be sacrificed upon the altar of German political correctness.

It's not so much what they think about such things as why they think it.

There's something fundamentally wrong with the intellectual integrity of a group that  radically adjusts its message within a few short years out of fear of the Jews.

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When the subject of Bishop Williamson and h0Ɩ0cαųst came up, I believe they used a word such as "horrified" in thier reaction to revisionist views.  We know that the administrators are h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative enforcers, so where does that leave the happless seminarian who must know that deviation means expulsion?

More selfishly, perhaps, where does that leave us?  The very idea that sspx seminarians, become priests, should have to passively accept h0Ɩ0cαųst tommyrot or even actively promote it one day,  leaves me cold.   I am afraid that the whole work of sspx may now be sacrificed upon the altar of German political correctness.

If they have to impose their historical version by force of law, how much time do these people have before there is a reaction against this sort of thing?

Especially in Anglo-Saxon countries, there's a real resentment when someone tells me to believe something just because it would be illegal to do otherwise.

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It would also be interesting to learn what new seminarians are now taught about the world and how they are to engage with it. Almost like a rerun of the 60s conciliar changes. And always remember change creates less turbulence if brought in gently and slowly. Of course, young seminarians have no experience of the old world. They can only apply old theory to what they know.    

If you recall, there was a video made in Germany, in the last year or so, showing life in one of the seminaries.  When the subject of Bishop Williamson and h0Ɩ0cαųst came up, I believe they used a word such as "horrified" in thier reaction to revisionist views.  We know that the administrators are h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative enforcers, so where does that leave the happless seminarian who must know that deviation means expulsion?
And of course, you are correct, the young have no sense of the true history which stands behind them. Since birth, they have been swimming in the soup of created realities.  Mere clay to be moulded into slaves by the hands of the тαℓмυdic sculpture.

I can only speak from my own personal experience.

I was in the American SSPX seminary for 3 years plus 1 semester.

We learned all the truth about the Jews, mostly from one professor -- Bishop Williamson.

I was blessed to imbibe his wisdom for 3 years.

I wouldn't say that every SSPX priest is like Bishop Williamson, unfortunately. Some don't say anything one way or the other about the Jews, so one tends to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I can say with confidence that it seems "they" are looking for a different kind of seminarian (and hence, a different kind of priest) post-Bishop Williamson. They are looking for less fiery, less eccentric, less "choleric" or leader-type individuals. That is my personal experience and opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

Matthew

I can only speak from my own personal experience.

I was in the American SSPX seminary for 3 years plus 1 semester.

We learned all the truth about the Jews, mostly from one professor -- Bishop Williamson.

I was blessed to imbibe his wisdom for 3 years.

I wouldn't say that every SSPX priest is like Bishop Williamson, unfortunately. Some don't say anything one way or the other about the Jews, so one tends to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I can say with confidence that it seems "they" are looking for a different kind of seminarian (and hence, a different kind of priest) post-Bishop Williamson. They are looking for less fiery, less eccentric, less "choleric" or leader-type individuals. That is my personal experience and opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

Matthew

Matthew, your first hand experience is much more valuable to understanding this confusion than all of our speculations, as it speaks directly to facts. I do agree with you, I think that they seek, dare I say it, candidates with a more "modern" generalized outlook who will in turn be more accepting of the "way that things are", and the way that they are done today.

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I can say with confidence that it seems "they" are looking for a different kind of seminarian (and hence, a different kind of priest) post-Bishop Williamson. They are looking for less fiery, less eccentric, less "choleric" or leader-type individuals. That is my personal experience and opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

Those are the kinds of priests we encounter at our chapel.  So I think you're right on.  They want priests who either know little about what is going on in the present world politically and socially, or don't care.  They keep their heads down, deliver innocuous milktoast sermons and hope they can pass through the present crisis without gathering too much negative attention or publicity.  

 :applause: Very well put! You just put into words my exact feelings and experiences of SSPX where I live.

One can think of a few possible causes for this:



7) The fading away of the old guard and of memory

This is a SERIOUS issue!!  A few years ago, many of the old guard passed away, one after another.

And then there is the lack of Sisters everywhere they are supposed to be.

The holy mysteries of Catholicism seem to be circling the drain at times.

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Matthew:

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I can say with confidence that it seems "they" are looking for a different kind of seminarian (and hence, a different kind of priest) post-Bishop Williamson. They are looking for less fiery, less eccentric, less "choleric" or leader-type individuals. That is my personal experience and opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

Those are the kinds of priests we encounter at our chapel.  So I think you're right on.  They want priests who either know little about what is going on in the present world politically and socially, or don't care.  They keep their heads down, deliver innocuous milktoast sermons and hope they can pass through the present crisis without gathering too much negative attention or publicity.  

 :applause: Very well put! You just put into words my exact feelings and experiences of SSPX where I live.

Hope is beginning to fade.