Author Topic: Bishop Williamsons Appeal (Read 59234 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #195 on:** August 13, 2011, 10:38:16 PM »

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More selfishly, perhaps, where does that leave us? The very idea that sspx seminarians, become priests, should have to passively accept h0Ɩ0cαųst tommyrot or even actively promote it one day, leaves me cold. I am afraid that the whole work of sspx may now be sacrificed upon the altar of German political correctness.

It's not so much what they think about such things as why they think it.

There's something fundamentally wrong with the intellectual integrity of a group that radically adjusts its message within a few short years out of fear of the Jews.

Wessex · « **Reply #196 on:** August 14, 2011, 08:14:28 AM »

One can think of a few possible causes for this:

1) The rapproachement with Rome and the prospect of a canonical prize
2) Share of the limited liturgical market
3) Threat of suppression in some countries
4) The generational drift
5) Political reformers at leadership level
6) Adoption of contemporary corporate methods
7) The fading away of the old guard and of memory

Al these combine to give up the fight or turn it into a difference of opinion!

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #197 on:** August 14, 2011, 11:19:44 AM »

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J. Paul:
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When the subject of Bishop Williamson and h0Ɩ0cαųst came up, I believe they used a word such as "horrified" in thier reaction to revisionist views. We know that the administrators are h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative enforcers, so where does that leave the happless seminarian who must know that deviation means expulsion?

More selfishly, perhaps, where does that leave us? The very idea that sspx seminarians, become priests, should have to passively accept h0Ɩ0cαųst tommyrot or even actively promote it one day, leaves me cold. I am afraid that the whole work of sspx may now be sacrificed upon the altar of German political correctness.

If they have to impose their historical version by force of law, how much time do these people have before there is a reaction against this sort of thing?

Especially in Anglo-Saxon countries, there's a real resentment when someone tells me to believe something just because it would be illegal to do otherwise.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #198 on:** August 14, 2011, 02:33:01 PM »

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As an example, we have the scrubbing of the SSPX websites of all mention of the word Jews. And now critics and questioners have been threatened or litigated against with an uncharacteristic aggressiveness.
Who are the shepherds? who are the wolves? Can we even know any more?

Good points to be reiterated often. One can not be sure who are wolves and who are true shepherds. What I have finally concluded about SSPX is that there are no really true shepherds in the upper clerical ranks. There are no shepherds in Menzingen. Are some of them wolves? We'll have to see. At the very worst presently, a number of them, including some priests, seem to be mere 'hirelings." They flee when the wolves come.

Matthew · « **Reply #199 on:** August 14, 2011, 03:03:31 PM »

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It would also be interesting to learn what new seminarians are now taught about the world and how they are to engage with it. Almost like a rerun of the 60s conciliar changes. And always remember change creates less turbulence if brought in gently and slowly. Of course, young seminarians have no experience of the old world. They can only apply old theory to what they know.

If you recall, there was a video made in Germany, in the last year or so, showing life in one of the seminaries. When the subject of Bishop Williamson and h0Ɩ0cαųst came up, I believe they used a word such as "horrified" in thier reaction to revisionist views. We know that the administrators are h0Ɩ0cαųst narrative enforcers, so where does that leave the happless seminarian who must know that deviation means expulsion?
And of course, you are correct, the young have no sense of the true history which stands behind them. Since birth, they have been swimming in the soup of created realities. Mere clay to be moulded into slaves by the hands of the тαℓмυdic sculpture.

I can only speak from my own personal experience.

I was in the American SSPX seminary for 3 years plus 1 semester.

We learned all the truth about the Jews, mostly from one professor -- Bishop Williamson.

I was blessed to imbibe his wisdom for 3 years.

I wouldn't say that every SSPX priest is like Bishop Williamson, unfortunately. Some don't say anything one way or the other about the Jews, so one tends to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I can say with confidence that it seems "they" are looking for a different kind of seminarian (and hence, a different kind of priest) post-Bishop Williamson. They are looking for less fiery, less eccentric, less "choleric" or leader-type individuals. That is my personal experience and opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

Matthew